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2018 Official Forum Member Review - Wilson C300 Irons

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Nice start from you lot.

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Nice work!

 

Couldn't agree with you more on your perception of the marketing/advertising... almost like golf is an afterthough for Wilson.

 

I hit these at a demo day and when I picked them up and looked at them I thought they looked a bit plastic-y...kind of unprofessional. Don't get me wrong, that chrome finish is gorgeous ( I think this is one thing that Wilson does better than anyone else) ... I wish they used the traditional ferrules to give it that finishing classic touch, but I digress....the font they chose for the club number is all wrong...the power holes- they could have done a much better job blending them in rather than using black plastic; I know they're there and don't need to see them.

 

But then I hit them and realized that-appearance aside- they're legit.

Smooth and easy to hit with a nice balance and profile and they just go.

 

If you can get past the way they look I highly recommend trying them, whatever your handicap.

 

BTW- I tried the cast version and just couldn't get over seeing the power holes- on the topline... I didn't find much difference between the cast and forged.

 

Anyhow... I am not a reviewer but I did try them so wanted to share my thoughts.

 

Look forward to all of your Stage 2's.

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Tom Wishon has an interesting video about "slot face technology" vs Variable Face Thickness as it relates to COR and overall face flexing upon impact. It is specific to a woods/hybrids discussion but I think there is probably enough carryover to pull irons into the conversation. The idea with slots (or holes) is that by removing mass from the head you now give that metal some space to flex into when the ball is struck. If that's true you would then have faster rebounding from that particular area of the face. This should result in higher balls speeds and higher launch when the ball is struck by that part of the head. Wishon questions whether this is actually taking place to a degree that impacts launch conditions, but more to the point he questions whether this is more effective than using a thin and variable face thickness across the face. It seems to be his opinion that VFT has more effect across the face as a whole than cutting slots into the head. Neither of these technologies seem to effect launch conditions from a well struck shot in the center of the face, but rather have more of an effect, if one exists, for shots struck off-center.

I'm the wrong person for a technical or scientific analysis in Stage 2 but found his opinions as a deeply respected voice in clubmaking to be of enough interest to pass along here. My Stage 2 we're just going to crunch numbers and see how they add up.

I will tell you the short irons (no holes) are sweet in the short game

I have a set of Wishon Sterling's and the mid to long irons use this exact face flexing technology that he describes (it's a great article and worth a look)..when you look at what Ping, TM and others are doing with the foam(?) injection I think that the face flexing technology is really becoming prominent.

 

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One area of concern for me with these irons is the sole design. 

 

I do want to put that in perspective though - my miss is a big ol' fat hit. Like, beaver pelts flying down the fairway further than the ball fat. The D200s I'm comparing the C300s to have a great sole design that works for someone like me, where if I hit fat, I'm losing some distance but I'm still going straight with OK if not great flight. With the C300s, forget it. If you catch it fat, you're done.

 

I experienced that first hand this morning at the driving range, I snuck out for a small bucket since my weekend is filled with family things to do. I hit a few fat and boy was it penal. I ran out to the car and grabbed my D200 7i, and hit it head to head with the C300 7i. I purposely tried to hit just slightly behind the ball (that's what I told myself, anyways) and the D200s were far better at getting through the turf. 

 

Would this be an issue for other golfers? Perhaps, or perhaps not. It all depends on your own miss. More head to head tests are warranted, me thinks. 

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One area of concern for me with these irons is the sole design.......

Guess you'll just have to practice! I think your review will make a nice case study for the forum members:

 

Will a smaller sole force you to learn a better strike?

 

 

It's not like we're talking about shovels to blades here, we're only taking about a slight step in categories. My money is on #winning.

It helps that you were fit for the clubs (shaft and all) so you can really trust the process.

 

 

 

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Guess you'll just have to practice! I think your review will make a nice case study for the forum members:

 

Will a smaller sole force you to learn a better strike?

 

 

It's not like we're talking about shovels to blades here, we're only taking about a slight step in categories. My money is on #winning.

It helps that you were fit for the clubs (shaft and all) so you can really trust the process.

 

 

 

Sole design seems to be a common area of focus.  This is one of my areas to watch as well.  I am going from thinner to thicker sole design.  

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Sorry about the delay in getting my stage 1 posted; was out of town on a business trip. I will apologize up front for not necessarily being as creative as some of the reviewers on this forum. I am an IT person and when I do write something it is generally a technical document. As a result my review will tend to be more analytical in nature.

 

Intro:

My name is Chris I am 52 years old and I live in Southeastern Virginia. I started playing golf when I was about 14; unlike a lot of people that post their story there wasn't anyone in my life that pushed me toward golf or inspired me to play. The first memory I have about golf was hitting golf balls in a cemetery behind one of my friend's houses. We had some clubs and balls and would hit them from one end to the other. Thinking it might be fun to actually play golf I asked my parents to sign me up for some lessons. I didn't play that often due to the inability to get to a course and wasn't very good when I did. After high school golf fell off the radar as life continued…college, job, and marriage (you know the usual stuff). Back in the early 90s I started getting back into golf a little bit and was still pretty bad but I enjoyed playing. At this point I was playing 9 holes after work with my father-in-law. After a while I decided that scoring in the 90s wasn't where I wanted to be so I took some more lessons with an instructor that I clicked with. Within 2 lessons I went from scoring in the 90s to shooting a round of 76. My game was coming together and I was hooked with some new-found confidence that I could actually play this game. In about 2002, I had a friend invite me to play with his Sunday group; about 20 guys, ranging in age from late 30' up to 70s. Time has taken its toll on that group, some have passed away, so had financial crunches, others just moved on. Today, I play golf as long as the temps are over 40*F and am just as happy playing by myself as I am with friends. I enjoy the time outdoors, the scenery, and the challenge of the game. I am pretty analytical in nature and like to understand the mechanics of the swing and how club dynamics impact a golf clubs performance. In my mind feel is derived from understanding and applying the mechanics.

 

About My Game:

I currently play to a 7 handicap and have been as low as a 4. One of my strengths is my tee game where I hit 63% of the fairways. My weakest area is short shots when I miss the green; however, I think I can relieve a lot of pressure of that aspect of my game if I hit more greens with my approach shots. Currently, I hit about 8 greens in regulation and have to get up and down more often that I like.

 

As for my ball flight, I generally play a fade off the tee and draw the rest of my clubs. My ball flight is mid/high to high with my irons and mid with my driver. The mistake I try to miss with is when I turn my hands over and hit that low pull hook. My miss on the clubface is low and toe hits. I have a smooth moderate tempo swing and driver swing speed is in the 100-107 MPH range.

 

https://youtu.be/c98-r2Huwrc

 

Current Equipment:

I just love the game of golf and trying new equipment. While I am always eager to demo the latest and greatest my bag typically stays pretty consistent from year to year. Now that I have found MGS I get my equipment cravings satisfied by visiting the MGS Headquarters and participating in the Most Wanted Testing. There is a lot to like about new clubs and often there is an urge to put something new in the bag, but I don't change clubs very often. When I do decide to upgrade it does not have to be professionally fit. Although it may not be fit, it will have been tried numerous times in the store and tested on the course. Generally, I buy used and I have a store near me that lets you demoused equipment on a trial bases before you have to purchase.

 

You can see my current bag setup in my signature. Instead of talking about the whole bag, the discussion will focus on irons since that is what this test is about. I used to change irons often but have only had 2 sets of irons in my bag since 2004. I am currently playing Callaway X-Hot Pro irons that have been in my bag since 2014. I was not professionally fit for those irons but went to several demo days and settled on the Project X Flighted 95 shafts.

 

 

First Impressions

What do I think of these irons and why did I apply to test them. In January I had decided to do full bag fitting at Club Champion to see how my current setup compared to my ideal setup. One of the biggest areas for improvement was my irons. We tested a variety of the Players-Distance irons/Crossover irons such as the Ping I200, Taylor Made P790, Callaway Rogue Pro, and the JPX 900 Forged. I recently learned about this iron category as it fits between the players irons and the Game Improvement Irons and is designed for the player the likes the look or a player's iron but wants a bit more forgiveness and distance. The “winner” for me was the Taylor Made P790 irons with KBS Tour shafts. Why aren't those clubs in my bag??? The simple answer is the $1299 retail price was more that I was willing to invest.

 

Fast forward a month and I happened to walk into my local golf shop while they were holding a Wilson demo day. To be honest I have always known about the history of Wilson golf clubs but in the last 10+ years felt that while they had some tour level products they were more of an entry level player type company. During the demo day I tried the C300 and C300 forged and came away very impressed with the feel, playability, quality and appearance of these clubs. The price tag $800-$900 depending on whether you went with the C300 or the C300 Forged. At the demo day learned about the C300 line and Wilson's Power Hole Technology. In the C300 Forged the long irons through the 8 have urethane filled holes that are designed to increase face deflection to help increase distance. Do they work? Hopefully we will find out as part of this review process.

 

Next up, MGS posted a tester's wanted thread and after confirming that I could get the KBS Tour shafts, best shaft for me based on Club Champion fitting, I quickly threw my name into the hat for a chance to put these irons through their paces. Once selected, the next challenge was figuring out how I wanted them configured. Wilson custom fitting offers an array of shaft combinations (stock, aftermarket, and exotic) and grip options. I will say Wilson seems to have a fondness for KBS shafts as they seem have every KBS option available for drivers through irons; you just need to find the profile that fits your game. As mentioned earlier, I am analytical in my approach to golf and my loft, lie, and length selection process was just that. I elected to go with the 8 iron set comprised of 4-PW, GW and match specs as close as possible to the P790s that I was fitted for.

 

attachicon.gifspecs.jpg

 

 

In reviewing the chart above, you can see the high lofts present in the longer irons the gradually approach the lofts of my current irons as you pass the 9 iron. I went 1 degree flat to match up the lie angles with the shorter irons from the P790s recommended spec. I left the length at stock to provide myself the option to chop off the additional quarter inch to match my fitting.

 

My first impression was fear as I saw the UPS driver bringing the box to the front door was fear. Fear because the box was bent.

 

attachicon.gifDSCN0759 (Small).JPG

 

Once I opened the box, I felt relief as I saw the irons were not impacted.

 

attachicon.gifDSCN0760 (Small).JPG

 

It was a nice touch to include a letter showing my custom specs.

 

attachicon.gifDSCN0761 (Small).JPG

 

Lampkin/Wilson Staff Grips: High quality grips that do draw attention to the clubs. Gives the clubs a polished look.

 

attachicon.gifDSCN0762 (Small).JPG

attachicon.gifDSCN0763 (Small).JPG

 

Upgraded KBS Tour 120 shafts: All installed with the label pointing down to give a clean look at address.

 

 

attachicon.gifDSCN0766 (Small).JPG

 

When comparing to my current irons they are roughly the same overall head size and have the same thickness topline. The C300s do have a wider sole so it will be interesting to see if there is any difference with turf interaction.

 

attachicon.gifDSCN0767 (Small).JPG

attachicon.gifDSCN0769 (Small).JPG

attachicon.gifDSCN0770 (Small).JPG

 

 

Where are we going from here?

My primary goal for these irons is to minimize dispersion, get consistent trajectories, and maybe even pick up a few yards on my current clubs. Through this review I intend to walk through the process I would follow if I were evaluating clubs for inclusion in my bag. Where are we going heading into stage 2 and what questions am I trying to answer.

 

  • How do these irons compare to my current gamers and my Club Champion fitting? We will do a deep dive into the numbers.
  • Does feel change between 8/9 where the power holes no longer exist?
  • Do the clubs help me hit more greens?
  • How workable are these irons?
  • Do I create any distance gaps at the top or bottom end of my bag?
  • Can the higher lofted C300 Forged irons compete with the lower lofted irons generally associated with the Players-Distance/Crossover category?

Stay Tuned and Let's find out!

Great write-up. Hope your experience with these irons is as good as mine

 

 

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Great write-up. Hope your experience with these irons is as good as mine

 

 

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Thanks,  putting them in my bag tonight for their trial run tomorrow.  Glad I can finally give them a go.

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Thanks, putting them in my bag tonight for their trial run tomorrow. Glad I can finally give them a go.

You've got a great smooth tempo based on that vid you posted. I'm looking forward to hearing how these work out for you.

 

 

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Sorry about the delay in getting my stage 1 posted; was out of town on a business trip.  I will apologize up front for not necessarily being as creative as some of the reviewers on this forum.  I am an IT person and when I do write something it is generally a technical document.  As a result my review will tend to be more analytical in nature. 

 

 

 

Where are we going from here?

My primary goal for these irons is to minimize dispersion, get consistent trajectories, and maybe even pick up a few yards on my current clubs. Through this review I intend to walk through the process I would follow if I were evaluating clubs for inclusion in my bag.   Where are we going heading into stage 2 and what questions am I trying to answer.

 

  • How do these irons compare to my current gamers and my Club Champion fitting? We will do a deep dive into the numbers. 
  • Does feel change between 8/9 where the power holes no longer exist?
  • Do the clubs help me hit more greens?
  • How workable are these irons?
  • Do I create any distance gaps at the top or bottom end of my bag?
  • Can the higher lofted C300 Forged irons compete with the lower lofted irons generally associated with the Players-Distance/Crossover category?

 

Stay Tuned and Let's find out!

 

Wow it was worth the wait Chris as this was a jam up intro for stage 1 !   Looking forward to your stage 2 and how well these puppies bark. 

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You've got a great smooth tempo based on that vid you posted. I'm looking forward to hearing how these work out for you.

 

 

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He really does. Ive had the occasion to see it first hand a couple of times and its pure bliss to watch.

 

 

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Sorry about the delay in getting my stage 1 posted; was out of town on a business trip. I will apologize up front for not necessarily being as creative as some of the reviewers on this forum. I am an IT person and when I do write something it is generally a technical document. As a result my review will tend to be more analytical in nature.

 

Intro:

My name is Chris I am 52 years old and I live in Southeastern Virginia. I started playing golf when I was about 14; unlike a lot of people that post their story there wasn't anyone in my life that pushed me toward golf or inspired me to play. The first memory I have about golf was hitting golf balls in a cemetery behind one of my friend's houses. We had some clubs and balls and would hit them from one end to the other. Thinking it might be fun to actually play golf I asked my parents to sign me up for some lessons. I didn't play that often due to the inability to get to a course and wasn't very good when I did. After high school golf fell off the radar as life continued…college, job, and marriage (you know the usual stuff). Back in the early 90s I started getting back into golf a little bit and was still pretty bad but I enjoyed playing. At this point I was playing 9 holes after work with my father-in-law. After a while I decided that scoring in the 90s wasn't where I wanted to be so I took some more lessons with an instructor that I clicked with. Within 2 lessons I went from scoring in the 90s to shooting a round of 76. My game was coming together and I was hooked with some new-found confidence that I could actually play this game. In about 2002, I had a friend invite me to play with his Sunday group; about 20 guys, ranging in age from late 30' up to 70s. Time has taken its toll on that group, some have passed away, so had financial crunches, others just moved on. Today, I play golf as long as the temps are over 40*F and am just as happy playing by myself as I am with friends. I enjoy the time outdoors, the scenery, and the challenge of the game. I am pretty analytical in nature and like to understand the mechanics of the swing and how club dynamics impact a golf clubs performance. In my mind feel is derived from understanding and applying the mechanics.

 

About My Game:

I currently play to a 7 handicap and have been as low as a 4. One of my strengths is my tee game where I hit 63% of the fairways. My weakest area is short shots when I miss the green; however, I think I can relieve a lot of pressure of that aspect of my game if I hit more greens with my approach shots. Currently, I hit about 8 greens in regulation and have to get up and down more often that I like.

 

As for my ball flight, I generally play a fade off the tee and draw the rest of my clubs. My ball flight is mid/high to high with my irons and mid with my driver. The mistake I try to miss with is when I turn my hands over and hit that low pull hook. My miss on the clubface is low and toe hits. I have a smooth moderate tempo swing and driver swing speed is in the 100-107 MPH range.

 

https://youtu.be/c98-r2Huwrc

 

Current Equipment:

I just love the game of golf and trying new equipment. While I am always eager to demo the latest and greatest my bag typically stays pretty consistent from year to year. Now that I have found MGS I get my equipment cravings satisfied by visiting the MGS Headquarters and participating in the Most Wanted Testing. There is a lot to like about new clubs and often there is an urge to put something new in the bag, but I don't change clubs very often. When I do decide to upgrade it does not have to be professionally fit. Although it may not be fit, it will have been tried numerous times in the store and tested on the course. Generally, I buy used and I have a store near me that lets you demoused equipment on a trial bases before you have to purchase.

 

You can see my current bag setup in my signature. Instead of talking about the whole bag, the discussion will focus on irons since that is what this test is about. I used to change irons often but have only had 2 sets of irons in my bag since 2004. I am currently playing Callaway X-Hot Pro irons that have been in my bag since 2014. I was not professionally fit for those irons but went to several demo days and settled on the Project X Flighted 95 shafts.

 

 

First Impressions

What do I think of these irons and why did I apply to test them. In January I had decided to do full bag fitting at Club Champion to see how my current setup compared to my ideal setup. One of the biggest areas for improvement was my irons. We tested a variety of the Players-Distance irons/Crossover irons such as the Ping I200, Taylor Made P790, Callaway Rogue Pro, and the JPX 900 Forged. I recently learned about this iron category as it fits between the players irons and the Game Improvement Irons and is designed for the player the likes the look or a player's iron but wants a bit more forgiveness and distance. The “winner” for me was the Taylor Made P790 irons with KBS Tour shafts. Why aren't those clubs in my bag??? The simple answer is the $1299 retail price was more that I was willing to invest.

 

Fast forward a month and I happened to walk into my local golf shop while they were holding a Wilson demo day. To be honest I have always known about the history of Wilson golf clubs but in the last 10+ years felt that while they had some tour level products they were more of an entry level player type company. During the demo day I tried the C300 and C300 forged and came away very impressed with the feel, playability, quality and appearance of these clubs. The price tag $800-$900 depending on whether you went with the C300 or the C300 Forged. At the demo day learned about the C300 line and Wilson's Power Hole Technology. In the C300 Forged the long irons through the 8 have urethane filled holes that are designed to increase face deflection to help increase distance. Do they work? Hopefully we will find out as part of this review process.

 

Next up, MGS posted a tester's wanted thread and after confirming that I could get the KBS Tour shafts, best shaft for me based on Club Champion fitting, I quickly threw my name into the hat for a chance to put these irons through their paces. Once selected, the next challenge was figuring out how I wanted them configured. Wilson custom fitting offers an array of shaft combinations (stock, aftermarket, and exotic) and grip options. I will say Wilson seems to have a fondness for KBS shafts as they seem have every KBS option available for drivers through irons; you just need to find the profile that fits your game. As mentioned earlier, I am analytical in my approach to golf and my loft, lie, and length selection process was just that. I elected to go with the 8 iron set comprised of 4-PW, GW and match specs as close as possible to the P790s that I was fitted for.

 

attachicon.gifspecs.jpg

 

 

In reviewing the chart above, you can see the high lofts present in the longer irons the gradually approach the lofts of my current irons as you pass the 9 iron. I went 1 degree flat to match up the lie angles with the shorter irons from the P790s recommended spec. I left the length at stock to provide myself the option to chop off the additional quarter inch to match my fitting.

 

My first impression was fear as I saw the UPS driver bringing the box to the front door was fear. Fear because the box was bent.

 

attachicon.gifDSCN0759 (Small).JPG

 

Once I opened the box, I felt relief as I saw the irons were not impacted.

 

attachicon.gifDSCN0760 (Small).JPG

 

It was a nice touch to include a letter showing my custom specs.

 

attachicon.gifDSCN0761 (Small).JPG

 

Lampkin/Wilson Staff Grips: High quality grips that do draw attention to the clubs. Gives the clubs a polished look.

 

attachicon.gifDSCN0762 (Small).JPG

attachicon.gifDSCN0763 (Small).JPG

 

Upgraded KBS Tour 120 shafts: All installed with the label pointing down to give a clean look at address.

 

 

attachicon.gifDSCN0766 (Small).JPG

 

When comparing to my current irons they are roughly the same overall head size and have the same thickness topline. The C300s do have a wider sole so it will be interesting to see if there is any difference with turf interaction.

 

attachicon.gifDSCN0767 (Small).JPG

attachicon.gifDSCN0769 (Small).JPG

attachicon.gifDSCN0770 (Small).JPG

 

 

Where are we going from here?

My primary goal for these irons is to minimize dispersion, get consistent trajectories, and maybe even pick up a few yards on my current clubs. Through this review I intend to walk through the process I would follow if I were evaluating clubs for inclusion in my bag. Where are we going heading into stage 2 and what questions am I trying to answer.

 

  • How do these irons compare to my current gamers and my Club Champion fitting? We will do a deep dive into the numbers.
  • Does feel change between 8/9 where the power holes no longer exist?
  • Do the clubs help me hit more greens?
  • How workable are these irons?
  • Do I create any distance gaps at the top or bottom end of my bag?
  • Can the higher lofted C300 Forged irons compete with the lower lofted irons generally associated with the Players-Distance/Crossover category?

Stay Tuned and Let's find out!

Nice work!!

 

Everyone is off to a great start.

 

 

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Today was my first time out with the C300 irons.  Let's not worry about the score  :(  as this is about the C300 Forged Irons.   Went for it with the clubs,  pulled out one of my hybrids and went with the 4-GW instead of my typical 5-GW

 

Hit a few 7 irons on the range to just warm up and see how they felt.  First one was low, but the next to were nice trajectory and good distance.  Initial impressions on the course:

 

  • They were much better feeling clubs than I expected with soft non clicky feel off the face. 
  • Had a tendency to pull shots left with the clubs, but I was pulling everything today including my driver which I normally hit pretty straight. 
  • Concerned about the feel aspect of these clubs;  I like to know where I hit the ball on the club face and either I hit them close to the center or they mask the off center hits; something to look at while the testing continues. 
  • 4 iron launched the ball easily. 
  • Going to have to learn the distance on these clubs as they seem to be a bit longer than my X Hot Pros.  
  • Clubs with or without the power holes seem to feel the same. 
  • May have to alter my wedges as the gap between GW and 54* SW may be too big.  

After round 1,  the overall feeling is the clubs are nice, have a good feel, and launch the ball well.  

 

 

 

 

 

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Seriously good work guys, really enjoying this test.

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Hey everyone, I've got my Stage 1 posted for you to read. This is my first MGS review, so I'm excited to see what I can bring to the table, especially from the higher handicapper point of view.

 

Please let me know if you have any questions or if there's anything you'd like to know about prior to my Stage 2 review. I've got 3 range sessions in with them so far and headed out to the course this coming weekend, so fire away!

A good read indeed!! Nicely done it's hard doing your first review, feel like there is a lot of pressure. You started off great!! Cant wait to read the other 2 stages!

 

 

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A good read indeed!! Nicely done it's hard doing your first review, feel like there is a lot of pressure. You started off great!! Cant wait to read the other 2 stages!

 

 

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Many thanks! I had a pretty good range session with these today, still going a lot more left than I'm used to with a straight draw so I've got to figure that out sooner rather than later. It's still early in the season for me so I'm not too concerned. 

 

When you catch one of these irons flush, good heavens. It's a pure sounding and feeling rocket ship. 

 

Toe misses, I've found, are pretty penal however. Again, early season swing here. 

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A good read indeed!! Nicely done it's hard doing your first review, feel like there is a lot of pressure. You started off great!! Cant wait to read the other 2 stages!

 

 

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Just to clairify, so nobody thinks the reviewers are slacking. The format has been changed to just two stages this year.

 

We found the 3rd stage didn't really add much value to the original two.

 

That said we encourage all reviewers to continue to make any posts or comments they would like after the second stage. But its not a requirement.

 

 

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Just to clairify, so nobody thinks the reviewers are slacking. The format has been changed to just two stages this year.

 

We found the 3rd stage didn't really add much value to the original two.

 

That said we encourage all reviewers to continue to make any posts or comments they would like after the second stage. But its not a requirement.

 

 

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Didn't know thanks for the clarification!

 

 

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