JTexGolfer Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Went out with my wife and daughter yesterday to get nine twilight holes in. Our course had struggled mightily with the bermuda greens the first part of the year due to a number of factors, to the the point that they were nearly unplayable. Our super made the necessary changes and got them back up and in good shape, very close to great shape. Everyone had no shortage of bitches about the greens when they were bad, so you would think they would take care of them when good right? But oh no, we had no one behind us yesterday and were taking our time so I went over the greens fixing unattended or poorly fixed ball marks. I fixed anywhere from 5-12 on every green on the front nine. I remember being taught to repair my own ball mark and at least one other when I was learning the game, and it pains me to see little brown spots on the greens due to lazy golfers. Trying to think of what I can do to help in this instance. I am not the golf pro or super and I am not anything other than a paying member of the club so its not like I can sit by a green and yell at people lol. What can be done? 400 Driver (8*) UST ATTAS Punch 6S F6 Baffler (16*) Matrix Red Tie 65Q4 816 H1 Hybrid (21*,23*) Diamana S+ Blue 82 HY Z765 (5-PW) +2* Aerotech Steelfiber i110cw Vokey SM5 50.08F 54.10M Aerotech Steelfiber i110cw PM Grind 60* Dynamic Gold S400 TR 1966 Anser 2 Z Star ball Pioneer Cart Bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Amen. I played a really nice course last year and there were anywhere from 20-50 unrepaired marks. Like putting on a gravel road. Lack of respect is what it is, along with sunflower seeds, trash, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peaksy68 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 I remember when I first started playing being a little too proud of having to repair a pitch mark. I saw it as a badge of honour that I'd hit the ball high enough to mark a mark that I made a bit of a show of repairing it, even if no one was watching. Now days I'll regularly fix at least 3 or 4 each green, which is frustrating, as I play at a private club on a member's only day, so I'm fixing other members marks. 849 Pro Evenflow Riptide 6.0 F8 3 & 5 Woods Project X Evenflow Blue 6.0 TS2 7 Wood Project X Evenflow Blue 6.0 MP18 MMC - Project X LZ 5.5 Zipcore Wedges 50,54,58 - Project X LZ 5.5 MLA Tour Mallet 33" Z Star Pioneer bag buggy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ole gray Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Gawd how can people be so frigging lazy and not fix their ball marks! That and the butt heads who walk out of traps leaving footprints for those that follow. I just don't get it and I spend a good bit of time cleaning up behind people who obviously don't give a shat. Ping G430 Max Driver 10.5 Degree Titleist TSR1 4, 5, & 6 Hybrids Titleist T350 Irons 7 - W48 Cleveland CBX ZipCore 52 56 & 60 Degree Wedges LAB Mezz Max Broomstick Putter / TPT Shaft (Platinum @ 45/78) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PING Apologist #9 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 The only effective solution I have seen is to equip course Marshals and, or, non-playing volunteers, with the 40" long pro style pitch mark fixer tools. This tool is better than a player divot tool, because the user does not have to bend over to fix the pitch mark. Marshals can use them when/if they have the opportunity while monitoring course play. Volunteers may use them at the end of the day and, or, any daylight time the course does not have much play. As for the players themselves fixing ball marks, my observation is that 80% of players rarely hit a green in regulation. If they do, it is often at the front of the green 30 feet or more from where their ball lay on the green. Inevitably they never look for their own ball mark and, or, see it. The low percentage of players who actually hit most greens usually see their mark within 10-15 feet of where their ball lay, and they fix it. I am mostly in this boat of not hitting GIR much for sure. It's a treat for me when I do of course and I sometimes gauge my play that day by the # of pitch marks I've made and hunted down. More often than not though, I find myself repairing pm's that others had left, cuz who wants to putt across a moonscape???!! I don't understand the lack of just sheer courtesy let alone the etiquette breech by not fixing them. Oh and don't get me started on f-ing sunflower seeds!!! ..."To the Rant Thread!" In my DLX Cart Bag: Driver: G410 SFT, set to 9.5*, Mitsubishi Tensei CK Orange 60, stiff (MGS Official 2019 Tester) 3W: G-Series SF TEC, set to 16*, Aldila Tour Blue ATX, 65g, stiff 5W: G400 SFT, set to 19*, Aldila Tour Blue ATX, 65g, stiff 7W: G410 SFT, set to 22*. Alta CB 65 Red, stiff Irons: GMax, Green Dot, 5-PW, Project X Graphite Blue 6.0, 80-90g , stiff Wedges: Glide 2.0 Stealth, 50* SS, 54* ES & 60*/8 Forged MGS Special from the Wedge Wizard, Green Dot, Alta CB graphite, 84g, stiff Putter: Vault 2.0 B60 Copper, 33", black dot w/GP SNSR grip (PING Sigma 2 Fetch under "see-trials") Ball: MTB BLACK (MGS Official 2018 Tester for the MTB RED) Shoes: Classics Tour w/Black Widow Softspikes Disabled Marine Veteran. Semper Fi! #No apologies, just Play Your Best #Powertotheplayers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver & black Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 My pet peeve............... no matter what day or what time, we are always stuck behind a group of people that just can't play. The kicker is, there is no one in front of them, and no one behind us.... it's just my group and the group ahead for the whole round. Just once, I'd like to be the group in front...lol. I share your feelings on ball marks and tracks in the sand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullldog Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Put green guards out & give em high capacity uzis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justnred Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 The amount of ball marks I need to fix is normally a direct correlation to the round I am having, so fixing ball marks is normally a sign that things are going well for me. My general rule is to find my mark and then fix one or two extras. I don't go hunting all over the green for them, but I do try to make an effort to find a couple. I was taught that if you want nice things, you have to take care of the things you have. It is a bummer that people don't seem to take any ownership at all, or think of the golf course as something that is "ours" instead they just expect others to clean up after them. To me it is just lazy to leave a mess for someone else to clean up, its like leaving trash behind. When I get done with my round I also take a quick moment and throw away my trash before I return my cart, because if I don't then it falls on someone else to do it. G30 Driver G30 3 and 5 Wood i200 red dot 4-U Milled Grind 54 and 58 Scotty Cameron Fastback Select Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 its an epidemic everywhere. where I play they pride themselves on excellent greens and most members are very cognizant of marks on the green. I have seen this season where more and more pitch marks are not being tended to or they are trying to be fixed but still leaving somewhat of a pitch mark. I fixed 4-5 per hole (avg) on Wednesday which is ridiculous. Fix your pitch marks people!!!, whether its a full shot in or a pitch shot (which can still leave a mark!). And might as well fix a couple more since you already have your tool out. Have a great long weekend! Epic Flash SZ 9o w/ Ventus 6X Rogue 4wd w/ ATMOS Red 7X CBX 20o w/ ATMOS Blue 7S tipped 1" JPX 900 Tour 4i - PW (standard lofts) Rifle SM6 51o, 59o, SM7 55o 2019 ProV1x Custom Ming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Yep, working at a course, we have this discussion often. I hate to be like, we just shrug our shoulders and say it's a losing battle, but it almost is. We've given out plastic divot repair tools at the starter podium and explained how to use them, it usually falls on deaf ears and we find them in the cart afterward, or anywhere but in players pockets. We are a municipal course, a pretty nice one, but still funded by the county, so we don't have the budget for rangers/Marshall etc. I'ts pretty much up to the players to maintain themselves. We are on the course enough during the week to observe, people that are lazy, oblivious, don't care or just don't know how. We do what we can to help the last category, but the overwhelming reason is just laziness. Falls in the same category of players that don't rake the bunker and disobey cart path only signs. They think those rules apply to everyone but them. In addition, I get blamed alot My job is to sell outings, and in most cases a lot of charity outing players don't know the basic etiquette of golf, and are probably some of the largest offenders of damaging the course. Not reparing ball marks, driving the cart up on tee boxes....yes it happens in almost every outing!! We book in excess of 8,000 outing rounds a year (36 holes) so I get blamed (by our regular players) for a lot of those 8,000 players not taking care of the course Now, that said, the group of regular dally players, I mentioned above take great pride in trying to keep the course as nice as possible, without them, it would be worst than it is. G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy MPR Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 In addition, I get blamed alot My job is to sell outings, and in most cases a lot of charity outing players don't know the basic etiquette of golf, and are probably some of the largest offenders of damaging the course. Not reparing ball marks, driving the cart up on tee boxes....yes it happens in almost every outing!! We book in excess of 8,000 outing rounds a year (36 holes) so I get blamed (by our regular players) for a lot of those 8,000 players not taking care of the course In your defense (and I'm just spitballing here): wouldn't casual charity-event golfers make, on the whole, fewer ball marks into the greens? I definitely would expect course damage from carts, etc., but if we're talking about guys who play twice a year, they can't be hitting a lot of greens, right? TS3 9.5°, Tensei Blue CBX T3 15°, Project X HZRDUS Black Epic Super Hybrid 18°, Aerotech Steel Fiber FC HYB S C722 21°, Ventus Blue 8S CBX Iron-Wood 25°, Project X HZRDUS Black 6.0 639 CB, Aldila NV 95 Graphite, 6–PW CBX 48° T22 54° and 60° EAS 4.0, Garsen G-Pro grip TP5x and Tour Response Full WITB with pictures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 That is one of my pet peeves along with people not raking bunkers. We have it a lot here especially during Tourist Golf seasons which Rev and Fozzy and the rest of the Florida guys run into the same thing we do. The tourist golfers are in town for a week or so and do not give a rats arse. Sadly down here most of the courses are interested in charging tourists extroborant greens fees and selling a lot of alcohol. Drunk and stupid seems to be the way the ball rolls down here now (pun intended). Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- 5W TM V-Steel Fubuki 60r--- 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R----- 9 W TM V Steel TM MAS stiff---- Irons 2015 TM TP CB Steel Fiber 95 R--- GW Callaway Mack Daddy 2 52* shaft unknown junk pile refugee. SW Callaway PM Grind 56* Modified sole grind--- KBS Tour Wedge-- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter Ping B90I Broom Stick G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 In your defense (and I'm just spitballing here): wouldn't casual charity-event golfers make, on the whole, fewer ball marks into the greens? I definitely would expect course damage from carts, etc., but if we're talking about guys who play twice a year, they can't be hitting a lot of greens, right? Yeah and nay but most of them do not know how to pick up their feet either when wearing their new pair of Wal Mart golf shoes. Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- 5W TM V-Steel Fubuki 60r--- 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R----- 9 W TM V Steel TM MAS stiff---- Irons 2015 TM TP CB Steel Fiber 95 R--- GW Callaway Mack Daddy 2 52* shaft unknown junk pile refugee. SW Callaway PM Grind 56* Modified sole grind--- KBS Tour Wedge-- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter Ping B90I Broom Stick G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaidJacket Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Went out with my wife and daughter yesterday to get nine twilight holes in. Our course had struggled mightily with the bermuda greens the first part of the year due to a number of factors, to the the point that they were nearly unplayable. Our super made the necessary changes and got them back up and in good shape, very close to great shape. Everyone had no shortage of bitches about the greens when they were bad, so you would think they would take care of them when good right? But oh no, we had no one behind us yesterday and were taking our time so I went over the greens fixing unattended or poorly fixed ball marks. I fixed anywhere from 5-12 on every green on the front nine. I remember being taught to repair my own ball mark and at least one other when I was learning the game, and it pains me to see little brown spots on the greens due to lazy golfers. Trying to think of what I can do to help in this instance. I am not the golf pro or super and I am not anything other than a paying member of the club so its not like I can sit by a green and yell at people lol. What can be done? To answer your question. Nothing!! You're a real golfer because you were taught at an early age and continue as an adult to respect* the greens. You repair your own and a few others each time. I do the same as divots/pitchmarks chap my a$$. But there is nothing people like us can do about it. There's just too many lazy people that play this game who just don't give a damn. They paid a green fee and they're going to hit golf balls all afternoon and guzzle as much beer as possible. Heh! It doesn't matter much to these folks whether it's a private or muni course. * At The First Tee we teach youngsters Respect as one of the 9-Core Values. That means respect for others, yourself, and the golf course to name only a few. My Sun Mountain bag currently includes: 771CSI 5i - PW and PFC Micro Tour-c 52°, 56°, 60 wedges EXS 10.5*, 929-HS FW4 16.5* Willimette w/GolfPride Contour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver & black Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 My general rule is to find my mark and then fix one or two extras. I don't go hunting all over the green for them, but I do try to make an effort to find a couple. This! My brother is a rather new golfer. He doesn't hit very many greens. He hit one the last time out. He was excited to actually fix his mark. When he was done, I asked him if he fixed anymore. He said he fixed his and that was it. I told him to find a few more and fix them... in fact, when you walk on the green to putt, fix a few every time... even if you didn't make the GIR. I'll learn him...lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 That is one of my pet peeves along with people not raking bunkers. We have it a lot here especially during Tourist Golf seasons which Rev and Fozzy and the rest of the Florida guys run into the same thing we do. The tourist golfers are in town for a week or so and do not give a rats arse. Sadly down here most of the courses are interested in charging tourists extroborant greens fees and selling a lot of alcohol. Drunk and stupid seems to be the way the ball rolls down here now (pun intended). I hate to be that guy but a couple of summers ago we opened our club to the Summer Paradise Card to generate some more income. The Super told me it cost more in increased maintenance costs than the income generated. It was stunning - normally you won't find any unrated bunkers and very few ball marks at my club - not that summer! I think it's a loosing battle though. I try to fix two ball marks on every green, at least, when I play elsewhere. Those old caddy habits die slowly. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Rev that is not only an old caddy habit but you were raised in the age like I was when etiquette was taught not only as a way of the game but a way of life. Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- 5W TM V-Steel Fubuki 60r--- 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R----- 9 W TM V Steel TM MAS stiff---- Irons 2015 TM TP CB Steel Fiber 95 R--- GW Callaway Mack Daddy 2 52* shaft unknown junk pile refugee. SW Callaway PM Grind 56* Modified sole grind--- KBS Tour Wedge-- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter Ping B90I Broom Stick G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucklehead Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 Absolutely drives me nuts. There's a course near me I will only play once a year and that's because it is for a fundraiser scramble. It's a semi-private and the members egos are the only thing bigger than their handicaps. I will usually let a partner putt first so I can watch their putt while I walk around fixing marks. Sent from my E6853 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cksurfdude Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 Don't private clubs have a "Greens" Committee? If yours does, maybe that's one place to start..? WITB of an "aspiring" play-ah ... Driver...Callaway Paradym (Aldila Ascent PL Blue 40/A) 5W...Callaway Great Big Bertha (MCA Kai'Li Red 50/R) 7W...Tour Edge Exotics EXS (Tensei CK Blue 50/R) 4H...Callaway Epic Super Hybrid (Recoil ZT9 F3) 5H...Callaway Big Bertha ('19) (Recoil 460 ESX F3) 6i-GW...Sub 70 699 V2 (Recoil 660 F3) 54°, 60°...Cleveland CBX2, CBX 60 (Rotex graphite) Putter...EvnRoll ER5 or MLA Tour XDream (P2 Reflex grips) ...all in a Datrek bag on an MGI Zip Navigator electric cart. Ball often, not always, MaxFli Tour. Forum Member tester for the Paradym X driver (2023) Forum Member tester for the ExPutt Putting Simulator (2020) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charli Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 The public courses around me nobody cares. My country club is great with ball marks. You'll rarely see any at all. Just another reason why I don't golf at public courses anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 This is a great thread - because I was thinking about it I fixed tons of ball marks today - at least 2 more than my own on every green - sometimes more. I was playing on a reciprocal - the greens were beautiful but there were still marks to fix so I did. My playing partner followed suit too. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palvord Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 My short life experience has shown me that in many areas of life, doing the simple things are not so simple. Like shopping carts left in the middle of a parking lot, ball marks and divots are left unattended because, “it's not my job.†I too was taught from a young age to repair at least 2 ball marks per green, even if I didn't leave one myself. It is annoying, but it's a reality on every course so I just do what I'm supposed to do and attempt to not have other players lack of courtesy impact my enjoyment. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy In my Ultralight Stand Bag: Driver: Rogue 10.5° - LH - Project X EvenFlow 60 Stiff Woods: King F9 - LH - 3/4 Wood - Atmos Blue TS 7 Stiff King F9 - LH - 5/6 Wood - Atmos Blue TS 7 Stiff Irons: King F9 - LH - 5-GW - KBS C-Taper Lite Stiff Wedges: King Black - LH - 52° 56° 60° - KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 Stiff Putter: - Impact No. 3 Ball: Maxfli TourX Rangefinder: LX5 Watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommc23 Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 When I played Friday I think I fixed an average of 5 per green and there were tons others. I was one of the last groups out for the day and finished just before dark. I was fixing the marks other people in the group I was sent out with didn't want to fix. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian A Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 The local course I play with my dad this year has a downhill par 3, about 130 yards, so the green just gets blasted with high, hard dropping shots. I've played there 4 times this year, 3/4 I had a birdie putt on its way in hit a ball pop mark and jump to leave it just short or kicked to the side. FIX YOU BALL MARKS! It can cost strokes Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Driver: G425 9* Hzrdus Smoke Green Small batch 6.5 70g Fairway Wood: Cobra Radspeed Big 3 Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Hybrid: Cobra Aerojet 5 Wood Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Irons: T200 (4-AW) AMT Black Stiff Shafts Wedges: Tour Rack 56* 60* Putter: Scotty Cameron Golo 5 Right Handed Pittsburgh, PA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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