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Would Embracing Technology Improve Pace of Play?

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We should have one set of rules for pros and amateurs, and both pros and amateurs should have access to the same information. Most of the time, pros have better info than we do, but Rick points out a situation where someone with a GPS has better info than Jordan did. LRF / GPS isn't going to slow a pro down, it will just replace the yardage book. Will it speed them up? In extreme situations like Rick points out, yes. On average, it will be a wash. It saves the caddy from the chance of a bad yardage.

 

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We should have one set of rules for pros and amateurs, and both pros and amateurs should have access to the same information. Most of the time, pros have better info than we do, but Rick points out a situation where someone with a GPS has better info than Jordan did. LRF / GPS isn't going to slow a pro down, it will just replace the yardage book. Will it speed them up? In extreme situations like Rick points out, yes. On average, it will be a wash. It saves the caddy from the chance of a bad yardage.

 

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I appreciate your thought. But, while I may agree on the theory, I disagree on the premise. The Pros do play under some different rules than most of us. They also are privy to better information than most of us. But, also they also play under much, much better conditions (golf courses) than most of us. I don't believe a range finder or green's book has a place in Professional golf. The golfer/caddy relationship is a human factor that would be diminished by technology. As far as saving a caddy from yardage, that's his job, and if he loops for a money maker, he or she makes a pretty good living. My boss doesn't tell me to get a device on the company dime,so I don't make mistakes, he tells me . do your job and don't make  mistakes. I know that thought process is old school, but that's just me. And NO I don't like instant replay in baseball, I enjoyed Earl Weaver, Billy  Martin ripping an umpire apart, again that's just me.

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. It would be like me using an alignment stick, on course, during a round, with every 7 iron shot..

You can use a golf club to make sure you are aligned correctly, just have to remove it prior to taking a shot. I saw a Symetra player doing this on her tee shots a few years ago. Nothing illegal about checking you alignment. I am pretty sure The only change the new rules will take into account is using your caddie to make sure you are properly aligned prior to your shot.

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You can use a golf club to make sure you are aligned correctly, just have to remove it prior to taking a shot. I saw a Symetra player doing this on her tee shots a few years ago. Nothing illegal about checking you alignment. I am pretty sure The only change the new rules will take into account is using your caddie to make sure you are properly aligned prior to your shot.

Thanks for that bit of info. I was unaware that it was permissible. I looked it up and yes, you can do as you stated except on the putting green. Still against the "Greens Book", just won't use the alignment stick analogy anymore. Again thanks for the education.

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If you were slow without technology, you'll be slower WITH technology, as it just gives you more crap to sort through.

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I appreciate your thought. But, while I may agree on the theory, I disagree on the premise. The Pros do play under some different rules than most of us.

What are the different rules that pros play under? There may be rules that come into play for them that do not for us (like temporary immovable obstructions), but if we played courses with TV towers, we'd get the same relief.

 

They also are privy to better information than most of us.

That is absolutely true. But why is that acceptable? Why is it OK? They already have spotters to find balls and crowds to stop wayward drives and trample down rough. Why should pros have advantages that we don't have?

 

But, also they also play under much, much better conditions (golf courses) than most of us.

I don't believe a range finder or green's book has a place in Professional golf. The golfer/caddy relationship is a human factor that would be diminished by technology. As far as saving a caddy from yardage, that's his job, and if he loops for a money maker, he or she makes a pretty good living.

As for yardages being the caddy's job, that's probably the least important part of it. I caddied at a club for nine years. I didn't even need a book; after a couple of months, I knew every inch of that place like the back of my hand. Anyone can train themselves to step a precise yard and then count steps from some sprinkler head or tree. Getting yardages is not a skill. I was much more valuable providing advice. What club to hit, where to hit it, lay up or go for it. That's how I made my money. If I'd had a laser or GPS, I'd have gotten the yardages that much faster.

 

My boss doesn't tell me to get a device on the company dime,so I don't make mistakes, he tells me . do your job and don't make  mistakes. I know that thought process is old school, but that's just me.

If I'm a pro, I want to have every legal advantage. Right now, that's the best, most accurate yardage book available. Given a rule change, it's a good SkyCaddie and a laser. And they're functionally equivalent.

 

 

And NO I don't like instant replay in baseball, I enjoyed Earl Weaver, Billy  Martin ripping an umpire apart, again that's just me.

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A lot of over-thinking this with lasers, gps, etc.

 

Want to improve pace of play? An old school time clock at the first tee and 18th green along with a sign in the pro shop that reads “Rounds completed in 3:30 to 4:00 hours receive $10 off their greens fee. Finish in 3:29 or less, $15 off”.

 

Guarantee pace of play picks up.

 

 

 

 

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Seriously pay people to pay quickly! In a competition 3 ball I take about 3 hrs 45 mins to go round. I can just imagine it kicking off in the Club House that we cost the group behind $45 because we were too slow.

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What are the different rules that pros play under? There may be rules that come into play for them that do not for us (like temporary immovable obstructions), but if we played courses with TV towers, we'd get the same relief.

 

 

That is absolutely true. But why is that acceptable? Why is it OK? They already have spotters to find balls and crowds to stop wayward drives and trample down rough. Why should pros have advantages that we don't have?

 

Let's see, they have to wear long pants and they can't drink on the course.

 

As far as they have more information than we do, we can have the same info for a price. You can buy a set of PGA/Champions Tour yardage books on eBay right now for $500.

 

I have played some courses that have yardage books that while it may not have the exact info the pros have, it is available for a price.

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I am more skeptical of the green reading app since putting has as much to do with pace as aim. And pace depends on the force you use on the ball, the slope, and the grain of the green.

 

Last Sunday, my ball was above the hole leaving me a downhill lighting fast putt, and was standing beside one of my foursome looking at the slope and the grain, and said, "Look at that shine on the grass. It looks like they have just waxed this green." My putting stroke was maybe an inch long and rolled the putt 10' into the hole.

Careful- you'll get fired from the Master's telecast!

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Let's see, they have to wear long pants and they can't drink on the course.

I'll spot you those. I'm talking about USGA rules, though.

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Careful- you'll get fired from the Master's telecast!

 

I fear that would be inevitable if I were to spend that much time talking to Faldo.

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I'll spot you those. I'm talking about USGA rules, though.

 

Yeah but those are deal killers. Makes golf seem like work. Oops, I guess it is for them. Nevermind.

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Return with us now to those thrilling days of yesteryear....

 

The 13th hole at The Open Championship 2017. Jordan Speith hits a ball into mountain goat territory, then brilliantly asks if the driving range in OB. It was not. Then under a 1 stroke penalty takes Line of Sight Relief, and then free relief under the Temporary Movable Obstruction Rule.

 

Turns a double bogey or worse into a bogey, then catches fire and shoots 4 under in the next 3 holes and goes on to win the Championship.

 

Him taking those rulings and the discussion the options took 12-15 minutes. It was actually pretty cool to watch and once again, brilliant use of the rules.

 

What was excruciating to watch was the next 15-18 minutes of him and Micheal trotting up and down the berms trying to find the flag and something close to the distance.

 

I have a Mobitee App that in a few seconds would have told me I was 220 to the closest edge of the green, 236 to the middle, and 248 to the back of the green. With a push of an icon on the phone, it would have also told me the direction that aim to the center of the green.

 

I am soon to have a Precision Pro NX7 PRO Laser Range Finder, (do you like the way I dropped that name in there? Learned that watching NASCAR.) and I know Geller has a lesser brand of LRF in the bag for practice rounds, but he could have stood on the top of the hill and shot the flag, and then shot to where Jordan had dropped.

 

Of course Jordan still had to make that shot. He missed the green but got up and down showing great skill, but claims Geller was spot on with his distances and he, Jordan, failed to hit the shot. (But I digress).

 

They look at yardage books, pin sheets, pages that have the breaks of the green drawn in, and they have yardage markers to pace it off from. They have someone who is an expert at calculating distances. So why can't they have technology that would definitely speed up pace of play.

I will throw in my NASCAR plug now---- If that new Nexus Rangefinder is half as good as the original one I tested for MGS then you got something. Mine is still kicking. But it was smart marketing on their point choosing me> I think I have sold 5 or 6 of them for those folks since I tested mine. The reason I did not put in for the new test was the fact I am so satisfied with mine I figured some other MGSer needed to do the test on the newer model and hope they love theirs as much as I do mine 

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