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But the fact that Brooks doesn't receive more attention, that's on him.

 

That ice in his veins that makes him a killer on the course also makes him indifferent to the media and fans. He admits he doesn't watch golf and he is not a golf nerd... isn't that a jab at the fans that DO watch him play? To a lot of people it sounds like... your time is way too valuable to waste watching 6 hours of golf on TV, but ours isn't...

I have to agree with this.  Maybe he doesn't want to be a rock star, but that's not optimizing his bottom line.

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Totally possible as well. Even if that was true, it's just hard being passionate about a guy that himself is not passionate about the game.

I watched his post round sit down interview and what he said there was he doesn't watch golf before his round because it means he is sitting down which isn't good for the body so he would rather be up walking around or in the gym. He stretches for 30 min before his warmup routine on the range and 30 mins for lunch.!do for 2 hours before his round is the only time he would be at the course and there for his tee time on Sunday he would have from the time he woke up til noon to sit around.

 

So imo he's not comin off like he doesn't care about golf

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I watched his post round sit down interview and what he said there was he doesn't watch golf before his round because it means he is sitting down which isn't good for the body so he would rather be up walking around or in the gym. He stretches for 30 min before his warmup routine on the range and 30 mins for lunch.!do for 2 hours before his round is the only time he would be at the course and there for his tee time on Sunday he would have from the time he woke up til noon to sit around.

 

So imo he's not comin off like he doesn't care about golf

 

A little older, but:

 

“If I could do it over again, I'd play baseball -- 100 percent, no doubt,” Koepka told our Jaime Diaz.

 

"To be honest, I'm not a big golf nerd,” Koepka continued. “Golf is kind of boring, not much action. I come from a baseball family, and it's in my blood.”

 

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/he-just-won-the-us-open-but-brooks-koepka-would-rather-be-playing-baseball

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A little older, but:

 

“If I could do it over again, I'd play baseball -- 100 percent, no doubt,” Koepka told our Jaime Diaz.

 

"To be honest, I'm not a big golf nerd,” Koepka continued. “Golf is kind of boring, not much action. I come from a baseball family, and it's in my blood.”

 

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/he-just-won-the-us-open-but-brooks-koepka-would-rather-be-playing-baseball

That must be very old. As he said in his post round interview that he's a huge golf fan and watched all of the Masters while he was injured. And said something to the affect that it would have been fun to watch Tiger on Sunday.

 

 

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A little older, but:

 

“If I could do it over again, I'd play baseball -- 100 percent, no doubt,” Koepka told our Jaime Diaz.

 

"To be honest, I'm not a big golf nerd,” Koepka continued. “Golf is kind of boring, not much action. I come from a baseball family, and it's in my blood.”

 

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/he-just-won-the-us-open-but-brooks-koepka-would-rather-be-playing-baseball

There are a many golfers who think golf is boring to watch or certain tournaments are too and/or certain leaderboards when big names aren't in the mix.

 

I don't take either his comments as negative to him/his brand or the game of golf. But again whether it's arrogabce or not I don't care if he cares whether people like him or not. I know some that have interviewed him and say he's a good and genuine guy.

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That must be very old. As he said in his post round interview that he's a huge golf fan and watched all of the Masters while he was injured. And said something to the affect that it would have been fun to watch Tiger on Sunday.

 

 

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If I am not mistaken, it was just last year after he won the US Open.

I'm not debating whether his comment is right or wrong... or if golf is actually boring... to each his own.

I'm just putting it out there for those who wonder why some players (not necessarily Tiger) get more media or fan attention.

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Serious question to all of you guys that dislike Tiger:

 

Have you always disliked him, or is it just now that because certain things about his personal life have come to the surface? Is it because he can't be/isn't the dominant force he once was? Is it because he once was the unstoppable beast he used to be? Why do you dislike him so much?

 

Not slinging s**t here.... just want to understand the reasoning.

 

Since no one has responded directly, I'll give you my take. First, I don't really dislike him. I consider myself generally ambivalent about him, even though we have been "witnessing history" through much of his career. I generally do not give a rip about their personal lives. It's really none of my business. I liken him to Michael Jordan and the media hype that surrounded him. I've always developed ambivalence/dislike for athletes or teams when any one (the media) tries to tell me who I should watch or who is important - unfortunately, they are in control of the feed. Perhaps some of the attitude comes from growing up near Portland, OR when the Blazers were at their best but got no respect because a) they were a small-market, west coast team and B) Michael Jordan might have sneezed that day, which garnered all the press. I suppose the theme is "over exposure".

 

To me, it's the same with Tiger. If he is playing well and in the mix, I don't mind seeing his every shot - that's the benefit of being among the leaders. I don't like it when he is 12 shots back, but they still show his every move, shot, discussion with his caddie, etc. In those cases, his performance does not justify the coverage. I'd rather see some good golf from others then watch Tiger stand there. As I stated somewhere else, I get that Tiger moves the needle, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.

 

My current favorite for the past couple years has been DJ - I love watching him when he is "on" with his effortless style and nonchalance. I don't complain about him not being covered when he isn't doing well (although I feel at times he may deserve a bit more coverage by virtue of being world #1). I just wish he had the ability or desire (or whatever is "missing") to really take control of a golf tournament when it really mattered - like Tiger has done and like Spieth did at The Open last year.

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I have to agree with this.  Maybe he doesn't want to be a rock star, but that's not optimizing his bottom line.

I can understand that in order to retain some semblance of a private life, perhaps, he doesn't want to be the rock star.    In a sense, he's trading personal privacy over increased endorsement income.   To date this year, he has grossed $6,412,792 on the course.   With that income just from playing, I would think he could live a pretty good life and a rather private one.   Heck, if I had made the kind of money that Jordan Spieth made in 2015, my future income would be totally from investments and remaining endorsements. I would be living the life with a really attractive lady .   

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If I am not mistaken, it was just last year after he won the US Open.

I'm not debating whether his comment is right or wrong... or if golf is actually boring... to each his own.

I'm just putting it out there for those who wonder why some players (not necessarily Tiger) get more media or fan attention.

Onboard with you. Some just don't want it like brooks. I think part of it is the media. Some players get dubbed “the next whoever” or in tigers case because of his ethnic makeup and his skill and amateur plus the effect he had on golf early got the attention then earned it and whether he wanted it or not it was going to be about him. Brooks also took the euro route so he has been an unknown to most fans and until this year dudhtvdo anything for the media to try and pump him up to the fans, that may change now and whether brooks wants it or not might get it regardless. Not to mention Nike never reallly markets him with Rory, Tiger and Wie in their stable

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Since no one has responded directly, I'll give you my take. First, I don't really dislike him. I consider myself generally ambivalent about him, even though we have been "witnessing history" through much of his career. I generally do not give a rip about their personal lives. It's really none of my business. I liken him to Michael Jordan and the media hype that surrounded him. I've always developed ambivalence/dislike for athletes or teams when any one (the media) tries to tell me who I should watch or who is important - unfortunately, they are in control of the feed. Perhaps some of the attitude comes from growing up near Portland, OR when the Blazers were at their best but got no respect because a) they were a small-market, west coast team and B) Michael Jordan might have sneezed that day, which garnered all the press. I suppose the theme is "over exposure".

 

To me, it's the same with Tiger. If he is playing well and in the mix, I don't mind seeing his every shot - that's the benefit of being among the leaders. I don't like it when he is 12 shots back, but they still show his every move, shot, discussion with his caddie, etc. In those cases, his performance does not justify the coverage. I'd rather see some good golf from others then watch Tiger stand there. As I stated somewhere else, I get that Tiger moves the needle, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.

 

My current favorite for the past couple years has been DJ - I love watching him when he is "on" with his effortless style and nonchalance. I don't complain about him not being covered when he isn't doing well (although I feel at times he may deserve a bit more coverage by virtue of being world #1). I just wish he had the ability or desire (or whatever is "missing") to really take control of a golf tournament when it really mattered - like Tiger has done and like Spieth did at The Open last year.

I'm with you on the DJ comment and the lack of coverage.  it seems if he's not leading, in some tourney's they forget he's even playing.  There was a time I think during Thursday's round that he was a shot out of the lead and seems like we went two holes without seeing a shot of his.  

 

And for the record, I have no arguments with the reasoning, that showing EVERY shot of Tiger when he's more than 10 shots back is too much.  A couple shots here and there, but it doesn't need to be every shot. 

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I'm with you on the DJ comment and the lack of coverage. it seems if he's not leading, in some tourney's they forget he's even playing. There was a time I think during Thursday's round that he was a shot out of the lead and seems like we went two holes without seeing a shot of his.

 

And for the record, I have no arguments with the reasoning, that showing EVERY shot of Tiger when he's more than 10 shots back is too much. A couple shots here and there, but it doesn't need to be every shot.

But does he bring in more viewers even 10 shots back than say Justin Thomas when he's in the lead? I say yes. And advertisers want viewers... So they're going to give themselves the best opportunity for that. Tiger moves the needle Sooooooo much, even 20+ years later.

 

I used to despise him. Just hated his attitude and ego. Now I find myself cheering him on and watching because he's playing. He's been smiling and more of a human being. Him congratulating Koepka the other day was something I don't think we've ever seen from him before. He's doing great things for the game again, even just making the cut, and I think it has certainly brought some excitement back to the game. It's definitely brought me back to watching much more golf on TV than I have in years...

 

Is it fair to not see a lot of the other guys that are paying well on TV more often? Of course not. But it's Tiger.... The last few years of Tiger.... And a storyline that many are getting on board with... Including many non golfers such as my wife.

 

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But does he bring in more viewers even 10 shots back than say Justin Thomas when he's in the lead? I say yes. And advertisers want viewers... So they're going to give themselves the best opportunity for that. Tiger moves the needle Sooooooo much, even 20+ years later.

 

I used to despise him. Just hated his attitude and ego. Now I find myself cheering him on and watching because he's playing. He's been smiling and more of a human being. Him congratulating Koepka the other day was something I don't think we've ever seen from him before. He's doing great things for the game again, even just making the cut, and I think it has certainly brought some excitement back to the game. It's definitely brought me back to watching much more golf on TV than I have in years...

 

Is it fair to not see a lot of the other guys that are paying well on TV more often? Of course not. But it's Tiger.... The last few years of Tiger.... And a storyline that many are getting on board with... Including many non golfers such as my wife.

 

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Oh I agree with you.  I actually made the same point earlier in the thread, and it's not that i'm changing my opinion, I'm just saying I can see how some get frustrated seeing him when he's not in contention.  They may not realize the bigger picture, and would prefer to see other golfers, which I totally get.

 

it was like last night we were playing our league on a nine that had just been aerated.   And frankly I didn't think they were that bad, made several putts outside 5 feet.   One in our group, said, "I understand they have to aerate"  But whey did they have to do it on the nine we played"     Oh boy, the typical "not in my backyard" type thinking. 

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Serious question to all of you guys that dislike Tiger:

 

Have you always disliked him, or is it just now that because certain things about his personal life have come to the surface? Is it because he can't be/isn't the dominant force he once was? Is it because he once was the unstoppable beast he used to be? Why do you dislike him so much?

 

Not slinging s**t here.... just want to understand the reasoning.

Sure, I'll bite.

 

First off, since you asked, I don't give two farts about his personal life.  If Tiger chooses to bang 100 sleezy blondes a day, that's between him and God.

 

Secondly, it used to be dislike, and now it's more like appreciation for him as a person.  I think the surgeries and the absence from the game humbled him, and he openly admits now that he appreciates the opportunities that he has to play.  He seems to now treat every day that he plays tournament golf like a gift, and is embracing things and people from a different perspective.  He seems more human and approachable now.

 

The dislike originally came from how he used to act and behave in press conferences, and just in general.  He's always been shy and aloof, and guarded about his personal life, but it came across (to me) as condescending and arrogant.  Just go back and look at some of his pressers when he was at the height of his game.  It was like drudgery watching him answer questions in a way that sort of said, "Hey buddy, why don't you and your stupid questions take a long walk off a short pier."  He just came across so rude and nasty to the press (well, I will admit that they sometimes deserve it), that after years of ceaseless coverage of this, I had to stop watching them interview Tiger, because you had an expectation that he was just going to come across as a complete and total douchebag, that it just made me angry to watch it.  You can also factor in the endless non-response responses to questions (he still does this) that you leave watching a presser saying, "why does anyone bother talking to this @$$hat?

 

And honestly, not to segue into something total off topic, but after watching a number of Dustin Johnson press conferences, I've vowed never to watch another one of them.  And it's not that DJ is trying to come across as a total knob, but either he's just flat out really stupid, or he just comes across as not having two brain cells to rub together.  You could probably start a drinking game from his press conferences, taking a shot every time he answers a question with, "I don't know." or some variant of that answer.

 

Also, and I'll leave you with this.  And maybe I just totally missed it, but why hasn't Tiger gone on Feherty and done an interview with him?  Feherty has mentioned multiple times that he'd like to interview Tiger, and it's never happened?

 

So I guess it's just the combination of what I said above about the REALLY bad pressers and then you get complete and total blackout of everything else in golf, except for Tiger on TV, and it just pisses me off.  Here's a guy that acts rude to the media, but here's the media giving him carte blanche to act that way.  Again, I think Tiger has softened a lot lately, and even with the endless requests for interviews every single day I think Tiger is doing a lot better in coming across as more human and more approachable, but still the stigma for me will always remain.

 

And honestly, speaking of pressers, it's shocking to me that NO ONE has ever pulled Tiger aside and given him a little coaching on speaking in public.  He just talks too darn fast when he speaks to anyone on camera.  Slow down what you are saying Tiger, and please, you don't have to be so technical with what you say either, so as to come across with terminology that is telling your audience that you know you are smarter than they are.

 

One other golf subject related to this is that every time Tiger is playing, if you pay close enough attention you'll notice that everyone commenting on Tiger on TV always goes out of their way to say how "only Tiger can do this," or, "that's just an amazing shot." or whatever.  But they say this on shots where it's like, "Um, I get it, that was an above average shot, but you put me in that spot with that shot, and I could probably pull it off."  This is called massive embellishment by the broadcasters of Tiger.  And then they comment on other players, and it's like, "Ho hum, he's not Tiger."

 

That part pisses me off more than anything honestly.  If you are going to rave endlessly about what I see as just plain 'ol good golf shots by Tiger, and call them whatever monumental adjective you decide at the moment, do the same for everyone else who is pulling off shots that are actually better than Tiger's were.  But no, that never happens in a Tiger Woods golf tournament.  It's always "Tiger is the greatest", and then "oh, yeah, here's Joe Schmoe...quick, let's go back to Tiger walking across a fecking bridge and isn't Tiger walking so gracefully.  It's just amazing how he walked up those steps.  No one walks the way Tiger walks.  That's just a purely amazing gait!"

 

I get it, Tiger plays great golf and did things no one else ever did.  But can we be realistic with the commentary, rather than trying to invent words to get whatever you said on the air to be the next "Better than most...better than most" comment that gets replayed every year on #17 at the Players.

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Sure, I'll bite.

 

First off, since you asked, I don't give two farts about his personal life. If Tiger chooses to bang 100 sleezy blondes a day, that's between him and God.

 

RESPONSE: I agree with this in principal but I would rather see someone with higher morals win tournaments. I would rather the prize money and joy go to a person with better morals.

 

Secondly, it used to be dislike, and now it's more like appreciation for him as a person. I think the surgeries and the absence from the game humbled him, and he openly admits now that he appreciates the opportunities that he has to play. He seems to now treat every day that he plays tournament golf like a gift, and is embracing things and people from a different perspective. He seems more human and approachable now.

 

RESPONSE: He does seem more approachable and more humble. It does help him in my view but I still think he is more arrogant than most players. He seems to have grown away from the "I am God" mentality a little bit.

 

The dislike originally came from how he used to act and behave in press conferences, and just in general. He's always been shy and aloof, and guarded about his personal life, but it came across (to me) as condescending and arrogant. Just go back and look at some of his pressers when he was at the height of his game. It was like drudgery watching him answer questions in a way that sort of said, "Hey buddy, why don't you and your stupid questions take a long walk off a short pier." He just came across so rude and nasty to the press (well, I will admit that they sometimes deserve it), that after years of ceaseless coverage of this, I had to stop watching them interview Tiger, because you had an expectation that he was just going to come across as a complete and total douchebag, that it just made me angry to watch it. You can also factor in the endless non-response responses to questions (he still does this) that you leave watching a presser saying, "why does anyone bother talking to this @$$hat

 

RESPONSE: I wouldn't like answer questions from the media. However, as a sports figure it is your responsibility to talk to the media. They cover you for 5 hours and make your paycheck possible, the least you can do is give them 5 minutes of your time. I would at least try to provide honest, personal answers. I think Tiger needs to understand that without media covering him, he would have no sponsors, no paycheck, no popularity, and no name recongnition.

 

And honestly, not to segue into something total off topic, but after watching a number of Dustin Johnson press conferences, I've vowed never to watch another one of them. And it's not that DJ is trying to come across as a total knob, but either he's just flat out really stupid, or he just comes across as not having two brain cells to rub together. You could probably start a drinking game from his press conferences, taking a shot every time he answers a question with, "I don't know." or some variant of that answer.

 

RESPONSE: While he isn't the sharpest knife in the block, DJ at least isn't intentionally blowing off the media. He just simply doesn't understand what to say. Tiger did understand what to say, he just didn't care enough to say it.

 

Also, and I'll leave you with this. And maybe I just totally missed it, but why hasn't Tiger gone on Feherty and done an interview with him? Feherty has mentioned multiple times that he'd like to interview Tiger, and it's never happened?

 

So I guess it's just the combination of what I said above about the REALLY bad pressers and then you get complete and total blackout of everything else in golf, except for Tiger on TV, and it just pisses me off. Here's a guy that acts rude to the media, but here's the media giving him carte blanche to act that way. Again, I think Tiger has softened a lot lately, and even with the endless requests for interviews every single day I think Tiger is doing a lot better in coming across as more human and more approachable, but still the stigma for me will always remain.

 

RESPONSE: I think he has improved in all of these areas but still isn't top personality on tour.

 

 

And honestly, speaking of pressers, it's shocking to me that NO ONE has ever pulled Tiger aside and given him a little coaching on speaking in public. He just talks too darn fast when he speaks to anyone on camera. Slow down what you are saying Tiger, and please, you don't have to be so technical with what you say either, so as to come across with terminology that is telling your audience that you know you are smarter than they are.

 

One other golf subject related to this is that every time Tiger is playing, if you pay close enough attention you'll notice that everyone commenting on Tiger on TV always goes out of their way to say how "only Tiger can do this," or, "that's just an amazing shot." or whatever. But they say this on shots where it's like, "Um, I get it, that was an above average shot, but you put me in that spot with that shot, and I could probably pull it off." This is called massive embellishment by the broadcasters of Tiger. And then they comment on other players, and it's like, "Ho hum, he's not Tiger."

 

 

RESPONSE: It is like the topic where Tigers shot into 17 was a better shot than Wallaces ace at the PGA. I mean, really hitting a par 5 green in two (and three putting no less) is better than a ace on Sunday. HA! This is quite annoying. All players should get the same coverage.

 

That part pisses me off more than anything honestly. If you are going to rave endlessly about what I see as just plain 'ol good golf shots by Tiger, and call them whatever monumental adjective you decide at the moment, do the same for everyone else who is pulling off shots that are actually better than Tiger's were. But no, that never happens in a Tiger Woods golf tournament. It's always "Tiger is the greatest", and then "oh, yeah, here's Joe Schmoe...quick, let's go back to Tiger walking across a fecking bridge and isn't Tiger walking so gracefully. It's just amazing how he walked up those steps. No one walks the way Tiger walks. That's just a purely amazing gait!"

 

 

I get it, Tiger plays great golf and did things no one else ever did. But can we be realistic with the commentary, rather than trying to invent words to get whatever you said on the air to be the next "Better than most...better than most" comment that gets replayed every year on #17 at the Players.

Sorry, I could really find a better way to respond. I tried to change the color of my responses but I couldn't my phone.

 

PS, sorry for the absolute novel.

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Gswag.... thanks for the honest answer. It sounds like you are more angry with the media than Tiger?

That's pretty accurate. Perhaps that stems from the fact that I have a bachelors degree in broadcasting where I was taught media ethics and objective reporting and all of that. But what I see of coverage of Tiger from broadcasters mostly, throws journalistic ethics and anti-bias objectivity straight out the window.

 

 

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Although I don't have any animosity towards the media or the fans that worship Tiger, I do relish the day, a year or two from now hopefully, when they finally realize that Tiger isn't going to win another major anytime soon and he becomes more of a side dish than the main event at every single tournament.  It might be great for golf if he does win a major but horrible for golf coverage if he does IMO.  If he wins one at any time in the next few years it'll be non-stop Tiger coverage at every tournament even worse than it is now.   In truth I'd love to see Bryson begin to dominate the tour if only because, by far, he is the one carving his own path through the golf world and doing it his own way.  

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Brooks Koepka won the Wanamaker Trophy a couple of weeks ago.

Tiger Woods last won it eleven years ago.

 

Take your Silverado for an oil change and ask the mechanic what he thinks of Brooks Koepka.

 

The money is with the crossover celebs, not the players that only golf fans know.

 

As long as there's a remote chance that Mr. Woods can be competitive, the cameras will be on him.

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