Jump to content
Sign in to follow this  
fixyurdivot

Former Ping Eye 2 Players

Recommended Posts

If you are a former PE2 player, what irons did you switch to, why, and how did the change work out?  I've been sitting on the fence about changing my irons and need some MySpyGolf Agents intervention.  :)   

 

My background and details:

 

57 years old and been playing the game since about age 7.  Best formal handicap was 11 and now about 14. 

 

Tend to play a soft fade and hit my irons very close to most distance charts for a 98 mph swing speed.

 

I was "fitted" for my PE2's which I purchased in 1988 and have played with

since.  I say "fitted" as back then it was simply measurement and watching some shots into the net.  This past winter in Yuma, I attended a Ping Demo and was fitted for the G400's.  Interestingly enough, the fitter said my green dots with the regular zz-lite shafts, are still correct today.  I had been wondering about this for some time.  That fitting, likewise, did not evaluate ball flight data - just on the range.

 

Having only recently upgraded from my GBB driver and seeing positive results, it now has my curiosity as to whether a change in irons would improve my game. It's not that I don't hit my irons well (I do), but more the thought that new technology might make further improvement.

 

Then I read quite a few comments from folks who moved from PE2's (and other older gen clubs) only to either come back to them or see minimal, if any, improvement.  Have changes in iron design/technology been significant - like that of drivers?

 

I am convinced that without a ball flight analysis, between my PE2's and replacement candidates, it is a waste of time. Am I wrong in this thinking?

 

So here I sit, teetering on the fence...

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Not former Eye 2 playet, but hetw is my insight.

 

Played Eye 2s for years and live them enough I own 2 sets. I went in ft or a fitting a month ago to get new urons. As soon as he saw my CV lubs he saud "unless you can hit blades, we are nit going to make an impeovement", We hit some balls with my set and a few others and noticed no real improvement. I walked out buying Vokey wedges.

 

I do think that there are some irons out there that are easier to hit, but doubt you will find more foregivness.

 

I really need 1/2 inch over and a couple degrees upright aa im am playing standard black.

 

If you are serious about your game and can justify the funds, Id say go for it. I will buy a set come in the fall and work on them over the wintee.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I have a set of PE2's sitting in my bedroom.  I retired them in 2003'ish and bought a set of Ping i3+ irons, which I just retired last year and upgraded to the Ping G irons.  The only reason I retired the i3+ irons was (well, 2 reasons) that they were non-conforming for tournaments, and I took a long break from the game, and during that time, my swing path had changed, which was causing my blue dot i3+ irons to hook dramatically.  I was able to get them bent to fix the lie angle issue, but the non-conforming issue was always on my mind, so I upgraded.

 

All that being said, I am not all that happy with the G irons I bought, but once you sink that sort of money into them (unless money is no object) you are kind of set with them for another decade or so.  Now in saying I am not all that happy, I say that from a relative perspective.  When I mishit one of the G irons I know it instantly as it has this nasty clanking sound when it's not flush.  I absolutely hate that noise.  But my game is at a level where I have learned to hit just about anything good, so I can score really well with my G irons, regardless of a clanking noise or not.  It just bugs me is all.  They are REALLY solid clubs.

 

Outside of that, I experimented with a couple of newer things and due to an error on my part, I bought a Ping i200 pitching wedge, and absolutely love this club.  If I had it to do over again, I would get the i200 irons for the complete set.  But hold on to your horses before you switch out, because Ping is said to be coming out with the i700 irons soon, and if I were you, I would hold fast, and wait for those babies to be available.

 

I can testify that I love my G400 driver, hybrid and 4 crossover.  Absolutely love the look and feel of these clubs, especially when struck pure.  But they recently came out with the G700 irons, and on a whim I replaced my U wedge and S wedge with the G700 versions, and man, I am in love with those two wedges.  The G700 is absolutely beautiful to look at, and the feel of this club is like nothing I have hit before, and is beyond impressive.

 

So my advice, as a lifelong Ping player and former PE2 man, is test out the G700 irons while you wait for the i700 irons to become available for testing.  And I will tell you in closing that the i3+ irons have a much better feel that the G series irons.  Like butter when solid contact is made.  I believe you'll like the feel of the i200 or i700 irons much more then you would the G400 or G700.  But try them all and see what works for you.

 

Last suggestion would be to buy like the 7 iron of whatever you are thinking of going with and just hit that one club for 90 days or so and see how you feel after that testing period.  If you aren't completely satisfied at least you aren't out more than what that one club costs you.

 

Good luck!

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Ping Eye 2's are an awesome club. Note, I am using present tense. More modern clubs have specs that are a club longer, for instance many modern PW's are 45* or even 42* where the Eye 2 9 iron is 45*. So if you get new clubs you will be hitting a 9 iron where before you were hitting an 8. Also, Ping Eye 2's have the wear rate of an anvil or a railroad iron. They were never very pretty but no matter how many times you hit them they look like new.

 

I played PE2's until maybe 2004. I bought a set of Hogan Edge CFT's. I wanted to get away from the offset because I was hooking the ball. Of course, I was still hooking the ball this morning playing Mizuno MP68's with no offset at all, so what good did it do me.

 

I later changed to Titleist AP2's the first year they came out and the wear on them was astronomical compared to the titanium face of the Hogans and the Adamantium-Vibranium alloy (Captain America's Shield) or whatever the Pings are made of.

 

I've played mainly forged blades or blade like clubs since, but I have often considered buying some PE2's in BeCu because they are so playable and look good also. The PE2 SW of 58* and 18* of bounce is like a golf club with training wheels hitting out of the sand.

 

As far as whether you should change, that's up to you. The majority of the guys I play with, probably 60-70%  play Ping. None play the PE2's but one guy still plays Ping Zing 2 and another ISI BeNi's all the others play 1 or 2 year old models and love them.

 

I had some Ping S56's also and they were fine clubs.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I bagged my PE2's full time until 2008 (1990-2008) when I got some Nickent forged cavity backs, transition was pretty easy. Only differences I really notice is 2 things: I'm a club longer with modern irons and you can get a smoother fell, but that's not saying the PE2's aren't smooth.

 

Whether you should change I can't really say. I've recently started using my Eye 2's again in evening rounds and hit em really damn good. Hell I've been striping the 1 iron with no problems. So I can tell you that they still play just as good now as they did when I was a junior.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I fit the bill - a former Ping Eye 2 player who gamed mine for two decades. I'm also a guy who played fairly good golf once, good enough that I could be competitive in regional type tournaments - city and club championships, maybe qualify for a State Amateur Type of player. I'm still reasonably good though my 6.0 handicap index feels like I shoot a billion. Yesterday's 72 in a tournament will bring that down a bit, for a while.

 

At any not so much fact based here yet so let's try to look at the facts and you decide based on those or not - most people choose not - that's fine it's how I remain competitive even though I shouldn't be. :)

 

Beyond a doubt the Ping Eye 2 was the most popular iron in the mid 80's both on the market and on Tour.

 

However a look at its Maltby playability rating reveals that it is not all that forgiving by modern standards. While folks attack OEMs for loft jacking a larger part of that game is that irons launch higher today and so less loft is needed to keep things under control. The Eye 2's lofts are significantly less than modern lofts so you will give away distance and accuracy for certain.

 

Also the Eye 2 is non-confirming for many events if you wish to play tournament golf at a higher level.

 

As to why I changed the answer was simple. It was 2006 and I was tired of driving it past guys in tournaments only to have them hit shorter irons into the green. I was convinced that the irons were dead (they weren't they were just a club and a half shorter than clubs on the market). I finally bought a set of Nicklaus Irons and played well with them but they were stolen and replaced with Cobras that I didn't like so much.

 

I then (2007) made the dumbest equipment move ever - I went to a demo day, hit a set of Adams Idea Pro muscle backs and traded the Cobras in. At the time I was a 2 and I had no business playing those irons. I get enjoyment out the game either by playing with friends or shooting good scores in competition. Those irons were not going to help with that but they were beautiful to look at - still are - they're in my closet. Remember 65 percent of all golfers need more forgiveness in their irons according to fitters. I was a part of that group with the Adams in my bag.

 

So I found another set of Nicklaus' Iron Max's with graphite shafts and played great golf with them for the next six years including a shaft change. Getting older I needed something with more help and my teacher fit me into the Wilson C100 which I liked. I won a set of Wilson C200's here but a recent ball fitting suggested a larger platform for the 6 and 7 iron would be helpful for my swing. So I'm currently gaming the G30 with a lighter shaft. They are fine although I need to regrip them.

 

So what you have to gain is more forgiveness, better accuracy and distance. More than likely you will not like the look of your new irons as well as the Eye 2 and it will take some time to get used to them. You should save a few strokes by making a change if you stick with it but results will vary and you have to be willing to stick with it. Did not give up on something new particularly if you get fit for it.

 

Good luck!

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Also the Eye 2 is non-confirming for many events if you wish to play tournament golf at a higher level.

 

I don't think that is the case. Ping won a lawsuit back in the 80's, and thus are exempt for the groove rule. Michelson threatened to play them for a protest. I believe he decided not to play them, unless Ping said they would allow them to be ruled non-conforming.

 

Not that it makes any difference. As a 50+ yo 14 handicap that's not a reason to spend several hundred dollars. He didn't mention that he is looking for a set to get good enough to qualify for something.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I don't think that is the case. Ping won a lawsuit back in the 80's, and thus are exempt for the groove rule. Michelson threatened to play them for a protest. I believe he decided not to play them, unless Ping said they would allow them to be ruled non-conforming.

 

Not that it makes any difference. As a 50+ yo 14 handicap that's not a reason to spend several hundred dollars. He didn't mention that he is looking for a set to get good enough to qualify for something.

 

I also am under the impression that the PE2's have been ruled conforming to USGA and PGA (those mfg. prior to 3/31/90).  Doesn't really matter as I have no plans to play in sanctioned tournaments.  Plus, the guys I play with in Yuma during winter have non-conforming  foot wedges.  :)   

 

Also, the comments about the PE2's being about a club shorter is spot on.  Add to that my tendency to hit high anyway and that can often be a club+ less.  Using the adage that hitting lower irons gets increasingly more difficult, this would by itself seem to be a negative attribute of the PE2's.  

 

Thoughts about my question regarding ball flight analysis being part of any fitting?  

 

Good feedback thus far Agents, thanks!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I played PE2's from the time I was a junior golfer in the mid '90s, through high school, and a few years after until ~2006 or so. I took a ~10year break from playing golf and when I came back a little over a year ago, I was stronger than when I was a kid. Every club went the same distance, and nearly orbiting the moon. I had a crush on the Vapor Pro Combo irons when I saw them a few years before getting back into golf, while doing some work at a course who had a Nike staffer on their payroll. They were obviously not fit since Nike no longer made hardware, but they played decent, and I gained distance back since my shot flattened out -- I actually had gaps now.

 

This had very little to do with the heads of the irons, and everything to do with the shafts, IMO. So to answer your question about iron head tech, unless you're playing a distance iron, not much has changed and you're unlikely to see a significant difference changing ONLY heads.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Still have a set of my coppers from 1988 or so.Look just as beautiful today as than. And the sand wedge and pitching are easily best I've ever gamed. I'm a club longer with the newer stuff. So not sure I would game the old set again.Was a real solid club back in the day. All the local ‘avid' golfers in the day had a set of pings in the bag.Good ole orange dots for the win !!!!

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I also am under the impression that the PE2's have been ruled conforming to USGA and PGA (those mfg. prior to 3/31/90).  Doesn't really matter as I have no plans to play in sanctioned tournaments.  Plus, the guys I play with in Yuma during winter have non-conforming  foot wedges.  :)   

 

Thoughts about my question regarding ball flight analysis being part of any fitting? 

 

I sorta lost interest USGA Rules, and the forum police would not like the language I use for me to post what I think about most of their rules. And my mother wouldn't like it either. I'm more worried about her. But I think the PGA stepped in or Ping, since they released the new Ping Eye 2 wedge with the conforming grooves, because they could sell new wedges vs have people use their old wedges. But there was an agreement that the pros would not circumvent the new rules. Especially once they found that they really didn't make any difference.

 

All that aside, it sounds as if you are leaning towards making a change. So make the change. Coming out of PE2's, the newer Pings would be a good place to start.

 

Regarding ball flight analysis as part of the fitting. Certainly, if you are going to purchase new irons, then get fit and either see the ball flight for yourself or a guarantee that they will make you happy for the bucks you are spending. 

 

I thought I knew exactly what I needed this year and bought heads (almost new MP64's) and shafts (XP95 S400) separately and assembled them myself. But the shafts were all wrong. They would have been right 2 years ago, but not now. I then installed C Taper Lites (110g S) in them. And today, I played  older MP68's that have C Taper (120g S) and had longer distance and lower flight like I needed. I will play these again tomorrow and decide if I want to change the heads and shafts or wait a while. Since I am my own club fitter guy, I knew he would eventually make me happy.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I sorta lost interest USGA Rules, and the forum police would not like the language I use for me to post what I think about most of their rules. And my mother wouldn't like it either. I'm more worried about her. But I think the PGA stepped in or Ping, since they released the new Ping Eye 2 wedge with the conforming grooves, because they could sell new wedges vs have people use their old wedges. But there was an agreement that the pros would not circumvent the new rules. Especially once they found that they really didn't make any difference.

 

All that aside, it sounds as if you are leaning towards making a change. So make the change. Coming out of PE2's, the newer Pings would be a good place to start.

 

Regarding ball flight analysis as part of the fitting. Certainly, if you are going to purchase new irons, then get fit and either see the ball flight for yourself or a guarantee that they will make you happy for the bucks you are spending.

 

I thought I knew exactly what I needed this year and bought heads (almost new MP64's) and shafts (XP95 S400) separately and assembled them myself. But the shafts were all wrong. They would have been right 2 years ago, but not now. I then installed C Taper Lites (110g S) in them. And today, I played older MP68's that have C Taper (120g S) and had longer distance and lower flight like I needed. I will play these again tomorrow and decide if I want to change the heads and shafts or wait a while. Since I am my own club fitter guy, I knew he would eventually make me happy.

We do share a real “love” for the USGA.

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

We do share a real “love” for the USGA.

"love" is a four letter word.   ;)

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

All that aside, it sounds as if you are leaning towards making a change. So make the change. Coming out of PE2's, the newer Pings would be a good place to start.

 

Regarding ball flight analysis as part of the fitting. Certainly, if you are going to purchase new irons, then get fit and either see the ball flight for yourself or a guarantee that they will make you happy for the bucks you are spending. 

 

Actually, I've really been teetering more than leaning either way. From the replies here and similar discussions elsewhere, this decision seems to leave a great many folks in a real quandary.  Right now, I think the best argument for changing from the PE2's is being able to hit a higher number iron for the same distance. 

 

I did find a PGA certified fitter in Bozeman and they include ball flight analysis in their 1 hour/$95 irons fitting. I think I'll start with that as it will provide head to head comparative data.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So I wasn't fortunate enough to have PE2's, from the mid 90's until early 2000's I gamed the Ping Zing blue dots. They were the set I started my golf journey with. Many of my friends played PE2's. But I was a Zing guy! Great clubs. Simple designs.

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Randy at Fried Eggs Golf has a great video where he put the Eye 2 up against modern irons using a launch monitor. I'd link it but I'm on my phone.

 

On well struck shots they pretty much hung right with modern irons. On off center hits, however, the gaps were pretty drastic showing how much more forgiving modern club tech is.

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Randy at Fried Eggs Golf has a great video where he put the Eye 2 up against modern irons using a launch monitor. I'd link it but I'm on my phone.

 

On well struck shots they pretty much hung right with modern irons. On off center hits, however, the gaps were pretty drastic showing how much more forgiving modern club tech is.

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy

Good call Russ!! Here's the link:

 

 

Any chance I get to "pimp" Randy at Fried Eggs is a good day!

 

fixyerdivot, enjoy this. It will maybe shed some light on your journey. Cheers!

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Good call Russ!! Here's the link:

 

 

Any chance I get to "pimp" Randy at Fried Eggs is a good day!

 

fixyerdivot, enjoy this. It will maybe shed some light on your journey. Cheers!

 

Good review, thanks for the link. He seemed a bit surprised that 30+ year old technology matched up so closely.  Thanks @russtopherb for the suggestion.

 

 

The guy in the video should have shafted the Eye 2 with the same shaft as the other clubs.

Without all the irons having the same shafts, this video is not worth much. Specifically, the ZZ Lite is a brute of a stiff-rigid shaft, while the Ping AWT is relatively soft.

Also, one of the reasons for the Eye 2/Eye 2+ popularity was its capacity and versatility for playing shots off of a wide range of lies. Playing shots from a level lie synthetic turf mat does not include this relevant factor.

I think it's great he took the time to make a video and raise some question (s) about new vs. old, but because of the shaft differences, and the synthetic mat testing, the video falls short of being especially helpful.

 

Anyone know if re-shafting PE2's is done very often?  Also, your comment about the zz-lite being a stiff-rigid shaft has me wondering if those are still correct for my average swing speed (98 mph)?  At the Ping Demo, testing the G400's, the fitting spec sheet provided lists "Project X 5.0"  I believe these are "regular" flex?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Actually, I've really been teetering more than leaning either way. From the replies here and similar discussions elsewhere, this decision seems to leave a great many folks in a real quandary. Right now, I think the best argument for changing from the PE2's is being able to hit a higher number iron for the same distance.

 

I did find a PGA certified fitter in Bozeman and they include ball flight analysis in their 1 hour/$95 irons fitting. I think I'll start with that as it will provide head to head comparative data.

No the best argument is that Eye 2's are not as forgiving as modern irons - even some in the Player's category - check out their playability rating.

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Sign in to follow this  

×
×
  • Create New...