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Interesting.

How high did you hit the i500 compared to your JPX and the Apex?

I wonder just how good Trackman is at dealing with some of these supposedly higher launching clubs, as it's basically making the spin number up. It doesn't see the ball rotations, it sees the flight and calculates the spin number based on what it's seeing, but I wonder if some of these new irons that are designed to launch the ball differently are harder for it to figure out?

Would be interesting to see what GC2/Quad thought, given that they are based on actually seeing the ball...

Good question, I don't remember the exact numbers for height but on the screen it did show the orange line for the ball ball going significantly higher. 

 

I hit the exact same set up the day before because I was at a conference and the golf shop was literally across the street.  On that day, I was in the Ping nFlight fitting area, and they had me on a Foresight launch monitor, either the GC2 or quad, not sure which.  The spin numbers on the Foresight were more like what I would expect, around 6500 on average, so I suppose it could have been a Trackman issue yesterday.  The fitter did say that the Trackman gets better numbers outdoors because it can track the ball longer, so that may have been a factor as well. 

 

My local driving range has a PING demo day next week so I am signing up to try them out doors and see what the flight looks like and also get some outdoor launch monitor numbers!

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So... the i500's. I can't say that they are any better than any of the other clubs in their category(ie. AP3s, P790, etc).  What I can say, is that these clubs and potentially, this category is the holy grail of club performance for me. I love the ball flight with the i500s that I am making up reasons to hit 4 and 5 irons during my round now because they are so good. Who makes up a reason to hit a 4 iron?!?  They aren't butter pure like a forged blade on a center hit, they have a solid crack to them. But the ball flight.... oh that ball flight. Just high and straight. I can hit a little cut, and I can hit a little draw, but the predictability and repeat ability of them for me is really game changing. I was 90% confident that i was going to use a i200/i500 combo for a good long while, but I think that split is going to be more like U, 9,8 i200, 7-4 i500. I might even go all i500. 

 

Again, I'm not saying they are any better or worse than the other similar clubs out there. Just saying that for me, I really don't know how they would get better.

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I feel like a high school punk again with the hots for the new chic that just moved to town. Her name is I500! I am heart broken that I didn't get chosen to test them but I am a firm believer in “Good things come to those that wait.”

Happy testing guys. I will be reading it all.

 

 

PS. I heard rumor that another hot new girl was moving to town and her name is Z585!!!

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At first glance the i500 looks like butter, smooth and silky. I'm loving the clean design and the hollow body technology has me very intrigued. So pretty

 

#PowerToThePlayer

Oh yes, she is definitely homecoming queen!!!

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Every video review I've seen for the i500 says it is a low spinning iron.  I had the chance to try out the 7-iron on Trackman with the PX LZ 6.0, which is supposed to be a lower spinning shaft than the C-Taper Lites I have in my JPX-900 forged.  I absolutely love the look of the i500 and also the feel of the LZ shaft, but I was very surprised to find that my typical shot with the i500 7 iron was spinning around 8000-8500 revs, significantly higher than my JPX which was spinning pretty consistently around 6800 revs.  

 

My JPX are 2 degrees flat and they only had the standard black dot i500 head for me to try, so it was quite upright for me.  I was very scared it would go left and the few shots that I hit longer and with better spin numbers were left.  However, most of my shots were pretty much dead straight and those were the ones that were spinning 8000-8500 with a high of 8800.  The fitter was shocked.  He said no way the i500 with the PX LZ should spin more than my current set up.  He suggested that I wasn't releasing the i500 as well as I was releasing my current set, and thought it was due to my fear that the lie would make the ball go left.  My question for everyone is is that theoretically possible?  With the i500, it did feel lite I was holding on a bit and not fully releasing.  

 

I should note that I also hit a Callaway Apex MB on the Trackman with the same c-taper lite as my current club  (it was 2 degrees flat) and the spin number were almost identical to my gamer and substantially lower than the i500.  I should also note that when I was fit for my Mizuno JPXs almost 2 years ago, the LZ and the C-taper lite were the two shafts the Mizuno Shaft Optimizer recommended for me.

 

The golf shop said the PING rep is going to bring an orange dot head in the near future, and I plan on going back when they have an orange dot head or trying one somewhere else.

 

IMO Once you get to try the orange dot I500, it will look and feel more like what your used to so you will get full release and your spin numbers will come down. That thing between your ears is a fickle muscle.

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IMO Once you get to try the orange dot I500, it will look and feel more like what your used to so you will get full release and your spin numbers will come down. That thing between your ears is a fickle muscle.

Fitter seemed to think so too.  I'm signed up for an outdoor demo day at the driving range on Friday so hopefully they will have an orange dot there I can test out.

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Ping is coming out with some great clubs right now. Can't Wait to try all these

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Fitter seemed to think so too.  I'm signed up for an outdoor demo day at the driving range on Friday so hopefully they will have an orange dot there I can test out.

 

 

IMO Once you get to try the orange dot I500, it will look and feel more like what your used to so you will get full release and your spin numbers will come down. That thing between your ears is a fickle muscle.

 

 

Interesting.

How high did you hit the i500 compared to your JPX and the Apex?

I wonder just how good Trackman is at dealing with some of these supposedly higher launching clubs, as it's basically making the spin number up. It doesn't see the ball rotations, it sees the flight and calculates the spin number based on what it's seeing, but I wonder if some of these new irons that are designed to launch the ball differently are harder for it to figure out?

Would be interesting to see what GC2/Quad thought, given that they are based on actually seeing the ball...

 

So I went to the demo day at the outdoor driving range on Friday.  There was a large difference hitting the i500s at the range vs. the numbers I was getting indoors.  The driving range also had the Trackman so the comparisons are apples to apples. The spin numbers were much better, even on the ones that spun a bit higher, nothing approached the 8500 I was getting on the Trackman indoors.  Even on the black dot, the spin numbers were lower than indoors.  I was averaging around 6500, no matter which lie angle I was using, but I could get up into the 7000s on a strike lower on the face.  I also had a few that were draws where the spin was down in the 5000s.  I tested the black dot, red dot, orange dot, and brown dot.  I tested with c-taper lite and project x lz, as both were recommended for me by the Mizuno shaft optimizer when I did my fitting for my JPX900s two falls ago.

 

Finally ended up settling on (and ordering!) the i500s with the orange dot and LZ 6.0 shafts with the golf pride plus 4 grips (same grips I have on my current set).  Used some lie tape on the bottom of the club and a lie angle board.  The orange dot was spot on.  Also, it was the one I hit the most consistently.  I thought that I might have needed the brown dot because Ping's std. lie angle is approximately 1 degree more upright than my Mizuno, and my Mizuno are 2 flat off of their standard lie.  But orange performed slightly better than brown in terms of consistency and the marks on the lie angle tape were right in the middle for orange.  I was told by the PING rep that it would be no problem to bend the orange dots an additional degree flat in the future, if I decide I want to do that.

 

Other observations from my session:  

 

1.  The i500 goes noticeably higher than my JPX900 forged.  Stopping power does not seem to be an issue based on height, and even with lower spin numbers, I think it would still stop quickly.  I can hit a knockdown with it and take some height off, but it it requires more effort than the JPX900.  It wants to go high.

2.  No problem working the ball left to right or right to left with the i500s.

3.  The i500 7 iron was consistently 7 -10 yards longer than my JPX900, giving almost a full club more distance.

4.  They really let me take my time and hit a ton of balls.  I would like to than the PING Reps and my friends/former co-workers at Olney Golf Park for a great experience!

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Had a chance to demo the I500 at the range the other day, loved it!! Really hit the ball well with them and the feel was great!!  Now how do I sneak a set into my bag on the credit card without my wife finding out?????

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Had a chance to demo the I500 at the range the other day, loved it!! Really hit the ball well with them and the feel was great!!  Now how do I sneak a set into my bag on the credit card without my wife finding out?????

 

One club at a time, almost like that Johnny Cash song...

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Ended up, after a fitting at 2nd swing golf in Delaware, with exactly what I nearly ordered online without a fitting. The I210 in r flex recoil smac wraps, black dot.

Hit a bunch of clubs, some were definitely further distance wise on the trackman, but significantly lower spin. Already being a lower flight player,the fitter and I thought I couldn't lose spin. I really didn't really hit the other clubs that much higher to make up the spin loss in descent angle. My back just won't let me get to that full finish for a high launch. I can do it when I absolutely need to, but it doesn't feel too pleasant lol.

 

One thing I notice, for me, is that I do not hit the ball inside on matts nearly as far as I do on the course - and I am comparing my current 7 iron - I lasered 3 shots in Saturday's round where the flag was level to slightly uphill, and twice my 7 carried past the flag - and they were clean crisp strikes. When I went for my fitting, and was getting a baseline on my current 7, trackman said I was only carrying 139. I have had this result before, which is why getting fit I never really thought was going to do much for me.

 

Guess I'll find out if this decision was the right one!

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Yes!!!!!! I just won a set of i210s from a raffle in KENTUCKY at a course I played!!!! Sweet!!! Having Club Champion help with the fitting! Woooooo Hooo!

 

 

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Brilliant, congrats you lucky man!! 😁😎

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Yes!!!!!! I just won a set of i210s from a raffle in KENTUCKY at a course I played!!!! Sweet!!! Having Club Champion help with the fitting! Woooooo Hooo!

 

 

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WTF!!!!

 

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I'm sure some of you are tracking and just as a reminder we currently have 9 spies actively testing both the i210s and the i500s. Stage I reviews should be published in the near future with Stage II to follow.

 

The testers have been sharing information and experiences. It looks like you will receive a pretty comprehensive review of both sets.

 

 

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PMookie is going to be putting a set or two on the classifieds everybody start saving now

 

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Hahahahahahaha! Stay tuned!

 

 

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I am going to add in a 6i to my combo set, but that will be it. Going to stick with the i200's for w-7 and then have i500s 6-4... unless PMookies price is too good to pass up and he goes with the Modus 105 shafts in stiff....

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Great looking clubs. Pings always perform.

 

Lower spin coils also be a cause of range balls as well as ill fitting shafts. Trust that is tour players are gaming these they hold greens. Lol.

 

It's kind of a pipe dream to see these irons and think what is pick. I have no idea lol i don't even wanna dream because it's just to much of a let down.

 

 

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Can the i500 be used as a driving iron?  I have the i210s 4-U. I'm not really a fan of hybrids because I always hook them.  I'm thinking of doing a utility iron (like cobra king or taylormade gapr low), but was thinking that the i500 might blend nicely there? 

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