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Hey guys, I'm looking to invest in a new putter. I have needed to get a new one for about a year now. I have been reading about counterbalanced putters, I have hit a few and I really enjoyed them. I always had a problem bringing the putter back a little, this helped a lot. Does anyone have experience with the counterbalance? If so was it good or bad? Do you believe in it?

 

 

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I have an Evnroll ER1 that's 33” with a 385 gram head. I didn't like the stock Winn 1.18 grip on it. The grip was 85 grams and the putter also comes with a 30 gram counterweight built in. I removed the grip and counterweight and put a Ping PP60 grip on (58 grams) and added an 80 gram counterweight. I love this combo and it has improved my putting tremendously. Here's a link from Tom Wishon in the advantages of counter weighting. Good luck!

http://wishongolf.com/improve-your-putting-consistency-with-counter-weighting/

 

 

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I have an Evnroll ER1 that's 33” with a 385 gram head. I didn't like the stock Winn 1.18 grip on it. The grip was 85 grams and the putter also comes with a 30 gram counterweight built in. I removed the grip and counterweight and put a Ping PP60 grip on (58 grams) and added an 80 gram counterweight. I love this combo and it has improved my putting tremendously. Here's a link from Tom Wishon in the advantages of counter weighting. Good luck!

http://wishongolf.com/improve-your-putting-consistency-with-counter-weighting/

 

 

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Hey Webz59, I have a ER6 that came with the 30 gram counterbalance because I too have a 33” shaft. When the Arccoss sensor would not work well due to the counterbalance, I called EVNRoll and purchased a new Evnroll grip that was a heavier material and did n9t need the extra weight. Now I am putting much better.

 

 

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Here's an interesting article from the front page on this: https://mygolfspy.com/mgs-labs-counterbalanced-putters-vs-standard-putters/

 

As per MGS's data, I'm skeptical of a claim of massive performance benefits with counterbalancing. That said, different weight setups definitely change the feel of a stroke, and so it's certainly the case that a particular putter might feel better or worse for a particular player.

 

I'd put this more on the "mental" side of putting: it might not produce obvious measurable results, but if you feel better over a putt, that can't be a bad thing.


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I tried a CB Scotty GoLo 5... never got to try it on grass, I loved the feel of it. Like swinging a smooth instrument. I probably would have loved it, but you know me... I got impatient for summer and sent it back with actually using it on grass, carpet putts only. Definitely slowed down my stroke and felt awesome, kept my wrist good and stout.

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For me, CB putters are great 5' and in but tough to get distance control down on anything over 30'.

 

I had a seemore CB, tank #7 and a tank 1W from Odyssey. It was easy to control on those knee knockers but I found myself really struggling with the lag.

 

I now just get putters with a head weight north of 360 grams at 35.5" in length and throw on grips less than 85 grams.

 

I'm also a certified head case on the greens... So there's that.

 

 

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Counter balanced putters are great for short putts because they slow down your stroke. However for long putts they are so heavy that it makes it tough to control the distance. If you have a problem of getting quick in transition it might help you slow it down.

 

Personally, I am skeptical that the better short putts make up for the worse lag putts. I believe that they essentially cancel each other out and performs pretty much the same as a standard putter.

As is said, golf is played 90% between the ears and if it inspires confidence, it might help your putting.


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I have a counter balanced putter (edel) and putt just fine with it - short or long putts. Occasionally I'll get hold of someone else's putter and they usually feel very light to me. Too light in fact.

Putting is so weird anyway. I think you either have or you don't.

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I love my Ping Sigma G Doon counterbalanced putter.  The head is 400g, but the grip weighs 130g.  No extra weights.  I had mine custom built to 34" because my old putter fit me at 32".  Taking my normal grip on the 15" grip puts the perfect amount of weight above my hands.  


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Similar to others, I also had issues with longer putts. Shorter putts were money but my lag putting was so abysmal that I'd have likely quit the game if forced to only play such a putter.

 

Some friends have wielded them so darn well but for me it was like golf's version of being expected to instantly master a foreign language.

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The main advantage of counterbalancing is that it reduces “wristiness”. If you're wristy give it a go. But if that isn't your problem I don't think it will help much.

 

I'm not wristy so to improve my putting i went the other way and installed a lightweight grip - swingweight is now D9 - and it has helped my feel i think.

 

 

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To me it is a personal thing and for those that want a heavy head it probably helps to balance out the putter and make the head feel lighter. If you were a belly putter person having the weighting above your hands probably helps now that you can't anchor.

 

Many companies counterbalance their grips either by simply making them heavier or having interchangeable weights and manufacturers are putting them on OTR putters.

 

I have tried counterbalancing before and for me it didn't seem to accomplish a lot. I was just experimenting and have no real basis for what weight I needed. Started by taping nickels to my grip since they weigh 5 grams. I am considering an Edel fitting and they are big on counterbalancing but seem to be combining it with lighter heads.


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Hey guys, I'm looking to invest in a new putter. I have needed to get a new one for about a year now. I have been reading about counterbalanced putters, I have hit a few and I really enjoyed them. I always had a problem bringing the putter back a little, this helped a lot. Does anyone have experience with the counterbalance? If so was it good or bad? Do you believe in it?

 

 

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I've gone through counterbalanced putters before. One of the best putters I ever owned was an Odyssey Works Versa Tank 7 CB putter. I've also had a O-Works Tank 7, and a CB Versa two ball fang. I like the heavier weight of a CB putter, but I've also gone to non counterbalanced putters and have a superstore grip with the countercore weight. I think a lot of it comes to preference. I never had a problem with longer putts but think it's more of what you prefer. 

 

Was your issue with taking the putter back because you opened the face? Or because you took it back too far?


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Hey guys, I'm looking to invest in a new putter. I have needed to get a new one for about a year now. I have been reading about counterbalanced putters, I have hit a few and I really enjoyed them. I always had a problem bringing the putter back a little, this helped a lot. Does anyone have experience with the counterbalance? If so was it good or bad? Do you believe in it?

 

 

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I am actually testing the effects of counterbalancing (using a Superstroke Countercore grip) right now. I have two identical Envroll ER1s, one with the standard Evnroll grip and the other with a Superstroke Countercore Pistol GT 2.0 with 50 gram counterweight (closest to the shape of the Envroll grip). The reason for the test is my coach has gotten me to change my grip from left hand low to conventional in an attempt to keep my left elbow feeling closer to my body on followthrough. This is allowing me to release the putter head better instead of holding it off any blocking putts to the right (which was my miss with left hand low). I'm testing to see if having the counterbalanced weight above my hands allows me to get this feeling easier than with the standard Evnroll grip. So far, I'm not feeling much difference between the two, but it has only been a few rounds/practice sessions. I'll update you once I get more data and make a decision.    

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After a month, I must say that the feeling of a 50g counter weight is pretty subtle. I think it has smoothed out my stroke some, and has allowed me to more consistently release the putter head.

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Hybrid: Titleist 818 H2, 19 degrees (C3 setting, surefit cartridge neutral)

Irons: Mizuno MP-18 MMC Fli-Hi 4-Iron (23 degrees); Mizuno MP-18 SC 5-iron(26) and 6-iron(30); Mizuno MP-18 7-iron(34), 8-iron(38), 9-iron(42), and P Wedge(46). Nippon Modus 120x shafts. 1 degree upright.

Wedges: Mizuno S-18 50, 54, and 58 degrees. 50 is 1 degree upright, 54 and 58 are standard lie. Nippon Modus 120x, soft stepped in the 54 and 58.

Putter: Evnroll ER1

 

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Nike made a great counterbalance putter that was adjustable. Feel was a little different because of the insert face, but it gave great customization to put the weight where you wanted it. Whether that be way at the top of the grip or bottom and where inbetween. I used it and really enjoyed it till I got my ping putter. However I still go back and practice with it at home.


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I have always struggled with distance control and CB has not helped at all, especially with putts over 6ft. Keeping hands quite and smooth it will help, but if its short it doesn't matter.


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Interesting subject, I just bought a Ping Sigma G Tine with the 662 counter balanced grip. I hit every put on astroturf, then played 2 tournaments  on real grass last week and 3 putted 8 times in 2 rounds due to leaving long putts short. This is going to be a project.

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Interesting subject, I just bought a Ping Sigma G Tine with the 662 counter balanced grip. I hit every put on astroturf, then played 2 tournaments on real grass last week and 3 putted 8 times in 2 rounds due to leaving long putts short. This is going to be a project.

Sheesh, that's rough. All of the AstroTurf at the shop is slanted toward the hole.😉

That is what I struggle with about CB putters. They are great from short range but speed control is tough. I think the gains generally net each other out to be equal.

Good luck on your project!


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I have played a lot of heavy putter / counterbalanced set-ups over the years and am generally a believer but as others have noted, distance control from long range was always my weak link. I played all last season with a Cleveland TFI Elevado CB (405g head/130g-or so grip) and putted the best I have done for a while, including from long range.

 

Came out this year after not playing for 4-5 months over the winter and just felt the total weight seemed really heavy so went back to a more standard weighted putter and have putted well but just put together a TM Mullen 2 with standard headweight but a 100g weight in the butt so counterbalanced but without extra weight in the head, so lighter swingweight more along Edel-type lines. So far I like it but it is early days and I also changed quite a few other things in the putter at the same time so it's not a controlled experiment.


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