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I've witnessed an rash of excess golfers filming their swings on the driving range.Many I've chatted with stated they are looking for a pleasing swing on video. Versus a swing that produces a decent shot.And even a few don't even worry about the flight when filming. But are more worried about a golden position or a certain look

 

I personally think too much attention is spent on swing aesthetics at the amateur level, not mechanics.Your Swing doesn't have to be picture perfect to be mechanically sound. I would go as far as to say most players will not play their best golf with an aesthetically pleasing looking swing. You are born with a good looking swing or not.

 

What do you look for in your videoed swings.What happens if you just stripe a ball but mechanically it looked bad on video ?

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Have you ever watched Daniel Bergers swing... or Jim Furyk... those be ugly.

 

The worst thing for golfers was the invention of slo mo. When I start videoing myself I “notice” things that aren't there, then change them and mess myself all up.

 

So, I stopped videoing myself and abracadabra my swing is back.

 

If I make a draw pass at the ball and it fades. That's a fail and the opposite if I make a fade pass at the ball and it draws. I only care about how the hip to hip level looks.

 

Everything else is just “there”.

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If you saw my swing on video you'd wonder how I ever made solid contact.  I video taped it a few months ago and it absolutely is the ugliest swing you'll see.  But I've been playing over 40 years and I guess it's like Jim Furyk in a way.  No one would teach Jim to swing that way, but the man has millions in the bank off of that god awful looking swing.

 

But hey, I'm down to a 4 handicap, and most of the time the results speak for themselves.  I've honestly never taken a lesson, and I fear that if I did and someone tried to "fix" my swing I wouldn't be able to hit a golf ball the way I do now, which isn't all that bad.

 

I honestly don't care who takes videos of their swings and obsesses over it.  The only one I will look at take endless swing videos of is Paige Spiranac.  And honestly, I'm not looking at her golf swing in those videos, if you catch my drift.

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I video myself occasionally just to see if I'm crossing the line at the top, does what I'm feeling match up with what's happening, etc. But I don't care what the overall package looks like as long as the ball goes where I want it to.

 

 

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A non internet golf forum golfer is all about ball flight and score.Where a active member or reader of online forum golf is more worried about looking good. Always wondered what happened about lowest score wins. Instead of best looking golf swing wins.Majority of our top local amateurs care less about how they look doing it.The actual swing look improvement has really been a thriving business for golf teachers in last ten years or so.And I'm even thinking many a teaching pro also prefer a certain look versus what the golf ball is doing

 

This isn't figure skating.Somewhere a big disconnect happened when people had access with YouTube , online golf forums , and iPhone cameras.Admit I'm learning with a camera and pro.But his main goal is flight and results.And he doesn't give online lessons or posts in golf forums.Just teaches one on one

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People need to remember that the goal is to get the ball into the hole in the fewest number of strokes possible.

The object of the game is not to look good.

I played a round last week with two guys. One hit the ball extremely well, had a very pretty swing..... and shot 87.

The other guy hit the ball okay and had an UGLY swing.... and shot 74.

If you asked me who was better I would say the guy who shot 87. The difference was short game and putting. The guy that shot 87 couldn't get up and down consistently while the guy that shot 74 put himself in terrible spots but was able to get up and down.

We need to stop worrying about appearances and focus on the score.

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If you saw my swing on video you'd wonder how I ever made solid contact. I video taped it a few months ago and it absolutely is the ugliest swing you'll see. But I've been playing over 40 years and I guess it's like Jim Furyk in a way. No one would teach Jim to swing that way, but the man has millions in the bank off of that god awful looking swing.

 

But hey, I'm down to a 4 handicap, and most of the time the results speak for themselves. I've honestly never taken a lesson, and I fear that if I did and someone tried to "fix" my swing I wouldn't be able to hit a golf ball the way I do now, which isn't all that bad.

 

I honestly don't care who takes videos of their swings and obsesses over it. The only one I will look at take endless swing videos of is Paige Spiranac. And honestly, I'm not looking at her golf swing in those videos, if you catch my drift.

Furyk's dad is (or at least was) a club pro and works with him. They know what works for Jim.

 

I only video my swing to see if I'm hitting a position I'm working on with my teacher. Otherwise, I could care less what I look like.

 

 

 

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I look for indicators, I have a tendency to dip down, so video helps me visualize how far, as well as takeaway, and impact position. It's a valuable tool. I don't go crazy, but like to know what a good shot looks like on video, compared to a mishit.

 

 

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I agree with DJ. If you know what you are looking for the visual helps to add perspective to advice given. I've been told to flatten out my wrist more. While I know exactly what this means I don't know exactly what right feels like. If I use video along with a little coaching I can marry feel to execution.

 

We all have good days just as we all have bad days. When bad posture, swing plane, grip, ball position and any of the other 1400 movements that make up a golf swing creeps into your game video can help to identify why you keep shanking $5 Golfballs into your local water hazards.

 

To much video can also be a problem. If it ain't broke don't fix it........regardless of how one looks if your movements are repeatable resulting in consistently achieving your desired results then keep on swinging that club like Fred Flinstone boo boo! The ole cliche, “it's not how, its how many” holds true always.

 

Still there are certain fundamentals of a Golf 🏌️ swing that lead to peak performance. If you are trying to maximize your skills, talents and attributes your best opportunity to do so is by executing those fundamentals. Video is a great tool to check on learning and execution.

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I've only recorded my swing a couple of times. No diagnostics intended, I was just curious to see what it looked like.

 

But there was no distraction once faced with the reality that my swing looks nothing like that of a fluid tour pro. It looked good enough to my eye though and I moved on.

 

Probably because I've never had a lesson, I didn't wanna get caught up with breaking my swing down for targeted practice. It is what it is, I just play it.

 

Score has and will always matter more to me than style.

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I think video can be really useful, particularly since so often there is a disconnect between what we feel and what we're really doing. I like to use it during the off-season in particular if there is something specific I'm looking to change.

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I use it to make sure I'm doing what I've worked with my pro on and that I'm not reverting to old tendencies. Feel and real are two different things. Imo it's like someone who workouts doing form checks. Seeing what you are doing verse what you think you are doing so you can tweak the form

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/\/\/\/\ What the last two guys said

 

Many times I can't feel old habits creeping in so I occasionally record swings to have visual evidence.

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I really didn't want to see my swing until this thread was started, now I'm curious. But, at the end of the day, I want a result, not a pretty look.

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Most of the people that are just after the look would never admit it.

 

However, I don't think it's a up to us or anyone else's to question another golfers intentions.

 

If the golfer isn't being honest with himself about his intentions then he's only hurting himself

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I had never seen my swing on video until I did it for my stage one review and now with the ole gray post. Honestly, I wish I had never seen it.

 

 

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I am results oriented. I only video my swing to post here as part of a review or someone has a show us you swing thread or most importantly if I am sending it to an instructor.

 

I am not an instructor so I don't know what to really look for in my swing.

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It doesnt matter to me what it looks like, if I shoot par or better, Ill swing any way

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I've witnessed an rash of excess golfers filming their swings on the driving range.Many I've chatted with stated they are looking for a pleasing swing on video. Versus a swing that produces a decent shot.And even a few don't even worry about the flight when filming. But are more worried about a golden position or a certain look

 

I personally think too much attention is spent on swing aesthetics at the amateur level, not mechanics.Your Swing doesn't have to be picture perfect to be mechanically sound. I would go as far as to say most players will not play their best golf with an aesthetically pleasing looking swing. You are born with a good looking swing or not.

 

What do you look for in your videoed swings.What happens if you just stripe a ball but mechanically it looked bad on video ?

I don't really care about esthetics, but if I'm trying to make a specific change (based on good instruction, not my own guesswork) video can help me to confirm that I'm going the right direction.  Any change feels "different" at best, sometimes it feels awful, even though my swing mechanics are better.  Video can provide validation, long before the results start to improve.

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With all due respect it's foolish to ignore a technology that can help your game. So I've had my swing video taped for lessons and it's been a helpful tool.

 

However we've never looked at the aesthetics of my swing, just positions relative to the ideal. Usually comparing my swing to Brittany Licicome's because I have the drop it inside move like she does.

 

I rarely video my own swing without my teacher because I don't know what I'm doing.

 

That leads to a second point - if it's a mistake to ignore technology it's a bigger one to misuse it - like so many other things in golf I'm sure there are a large number of do it yourselfers out there who video their swings and try to self analyze- that rarely works, very rarely.

 

Which leads to a third point. The fact of the matter is that Jim Fuyk's golf swing is perfectly sound even if it's not aesthetically pleasing to the untrained eye.

 

So every time we have a thread like this one the name of Furyk is invoked and used as an excuse to not consult a pro or take lessons. If Furyk can do it with that swing, so can I, the thought process goes.

 

But Furyk was taught to swing like he does, as was pointed out by an earlier poster, his father is a teaching pro. His swing is sound just different and most of us don't know why. We can't tell the difference between it and Joe Hacker's so we think that they're the same. A trained eye would quickly pick up the differences.

 

Touring pros have teachers, use technology, get fitted, and have been for most of their golfing lives. If there are 800 golfers in the world making their living by playing golf there are 799 who do everything listed above for the 1 who doesn't.

 

I don't know why anyone would care about the aesthetics of their swing over the ball flight. But I don't know why lots of people would do lots of things that are common place among golfers from lack of lessons, lack of practice, to equipment choices to shot selections.

 

So if they are enjoying themselves, that's good enough for me. :)

 

 

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I have seen a video of my swing...and I immediately wanted to turn the screen off. I had no idea I made all those movements during my swing.  Most of the time, though, the ball still goes about where I want it to go.  After watching it on video, I knew I couldn't pay much attention to it and instead needed to focus on just getting the right contact and ball flight.  As long as I get that, I'm happy. 

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100% outcome is more important. 

 

I film the occasional range session and I'm not looking for a "golden swing", but I do want my swings to look as close to the same each time. What is changing the most from one swing to another and how can I improve consistency.

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I've never taken a video of my swing, but I've seen it a few times when someone did it for various reasons. It isn't a thing of beauty, but it isn't terrible either...lol. I couldn't care less to tell you the truth... it gets me to the green where the real ugliness starts.

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Isn't this truly the definition of “Poser”?

 

 

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For a golfer starting out learning a swing or someone who needs or wants to make a swing change, video is the only way to go.  Without it you will be guessing that what you want to do is what you are actually doing.  Just because you get a certain ball flight, doesn't mean that you arrived at it with a good swing; it could just as easily happened by a combination of swing flaws that when one breaks down, well...

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I guess I'm probably just going to echo some sentiments in here, but I would never say no to videoing my swing. If someone with knowledge of the swing thinks that they can help me my breaking down my swing through tape, I'm not going to say no. However, as I've never really taken much in the way of golf instruction, prefering to find my own swing and having an innate feeling of what my swing is supposed to feel like and where I'm getting caught up, I don't think video would help me that much without the help of an instructor to help me overhaul my swing to whatever the optimum positions are for me. 

 

So, I guess the answer is I'm looking more for a feeling in the swing and that the result is repeatable enough to where I feel good about it.

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Yeah, I saw a video of my swing once and immediately wanted to turn it off. My main thought was..... Do I really take the club back that far???

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I really didn't want to see my swing until this thread was started, now I'm curious. But, at the end of the day, I want a result, not a pretty look.

I'm with Matt on this one. Who cares what it looks like if it works for you (getting it in the hole in as  fewest strokes as possible ). I think that's a problem with some instructors - they try to change your swing to what the 'book' says vs. getting the best results out of your swing. 

 

On the range I make a mental note of every nuance in the swing sequence that gets me on target then make a written note of what I did. 

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This debate is very handicap related.Im thinking most golfers that are mid 80 shooters or higher care more about contact than a swing look.Where the better golfer will relate with an eye pleasing swing with better mechanics and fundamentals.And the golfer with better mechanics and fundamentals will shoot lower than a ball flight contact golfer.

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