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Just this morning I read another post where a guy is complaining about his putting. He's searching for - a cure - a putter - a fix - anything! This is a constant and recurring topic. Is putting really that hard?  If so; why? Putting only requires that you make a very short stroke at the ball. You generally have a perfect lie and the distance of the shot is rather short when compared to every other stroke you make on a hole. You may even pick up the ball; clean it and line it up if you like. Additionally, there are no obstacles or hazards, trees, brush, creeks, ponds, or sand bunkers you must avoid. It's all in your favor.

 

So today I ask you.... What's the problem?

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Heh, good question and well stated! In the imortal words from my favorite (old) show from across the pond...

 

 

How hard indeed! I think many of us (yours truly included) tend to overcomplicate the situation and "mind-screw" ourselves to death more often than not...

 

You're right: perfect lie, short distances, no hazards, etc... I just wish the hole was bigger... ;)

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If I was to guess if they have a lot of issues with putting they would struggle with all the finesse parts of the game ie chipping and pitching. Now I am just guessing because when I am putting really bad these parts of my game seem to struggle as well. Now I am not a good putter I very rarely 1 putt, so this last year I have worked on making that first putt be close and not have a 6 foot putt back. Another thing that isn't helpful is public courses green aren't very consistent with speed. Two of the courses I play at regularly of you practice putting on their putting green it will kill you because it's so different. This is just my two cents though, I am very much not a pro. Lol

 

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this is the post ... https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/24711-tiger-made-the-switchmaybe-i-should/?p=441905

 

I'm the one that posted it....I'm not afraid to admit it.  Not sure why Plaid is calling me out here but I will explain.

 

I play 9 in a weekly best ball league.  

I have anywhere between 15 and 20 minutes to warm up before the round.

I hit about 20 balls to loosen up... putt for the rest of the time... hit a couple chips and I'm off.

If you've ever played best ball you know that you don't have to be a great putter to score well....all 4 guys get a chance to hit the same putt.

 

I play 18 about every 10-14 days... I try to show up about 1 hour before my tee time and loosen up ... just like I describe above.

 

I go to the range every Friday between 11:30 and 1 during my lunch break.  it's about 7 minutes down the street from me next to a busy main street with grocery stores, coffee shops, fast food, etc all around it.  The range isn't big and doesn't have a putting green so I go and hit balls and work on my swing.

The next closest range with a putting green is around 20-30 minutes away and since this is my lunch break that's not an option.

 

I might get a chance to go to a putting green on the weekend but I'm usually doing family stuff.

 

My backyard is approximately 27.5 yards long by 15 yards wide (thanks NX7 Pro!)

I stick 2 driveway markers in the ground and spend anywhere from 30 minutes to 1+ hour practicing chipping every day that it isn't raining.

 

I have a felt indoor putting green that I use in my basement each day but that's not even close to real life.

 

This means I practice everything except putting fairly regularly....because that's what I am able to do.

I don't belong to a golf club... I wish I did but the time and money for it is just not there right now.

 

I typically shoot between 80 and 85.  

I don't really count my putts but it's probably anywhere from 34 on up.... if I can get that down to 30/31 then I'd be able to break 80 and accomplish a goal that I've been working towards for a long time.

 

I know that I need to practice putting more and I need to find a way....but I also want to use a putter that's as forgiving as possible and that I can stand to look at (no offense to the ER9 but that's just not my style).

 

So - if you're wondering - yes, I can chip pretty good....yes, the other parts of my game are pretty good too....and yes, I can always improve.

 

What's the problem?

I'm not a member at a club with all the time in the world to get out and putt for 2 hours every night; if I was then I wouldn't have created the thread.

I want to be a better putter and would like to have a wand that is as forgiving and usable as possible (and before you ask - yes, I've had a putter fitting and it was bullcrap...)

I don't always strike the ball in the center of the club face (gasp!) and if I hit it on the heel or toe then I don't want to lose too much distance and have a reasonable 2nd putt.

I don't have a "pro" and am looking for some advice... NOT help.  If I wanted help I'd go to my "local PGA professional" ... just like the Golf Channel (and revkev) suggest.  

 

Any other questions feel free to PM me and I'll be happy to take it off line so everybody else isn't subjected to my ranting and raving....

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Can be lots of reason that people complain about putting.  

 

1.  It is fairly easy to do, short stroke as you say but they don't seem to go in the hole.   Was the stroke bad or were the expectations too high?

 

2.  Greens are not consistent from week to week,  course to course, and sometimes hole to told.  

 

3.  People don't know how to practice putting; especially if they can't be on a putting green.

 

4.  Most instructors don't know how to teach putting

 

5.  It is more that stroking the ball,  it is the only shot in golf that is primarily influenced by the ground

 

6.  People expect bad breaks on the course but not on the green

 

7.  Unlike pros that hit the ball 300+  1* of error isn't very penal to most golfers.   1* of error on the putting green is the same for everyone. 

 

8,.  When being fitted,  we fit full swing clubs to the player and his tendencies.  With putters we adjust players to fit the putter.  

 

9.  There is lots of incorrect information that is taken as fact about putting.  

 

10.  People believe that a putter that looks good will make more putts, even players that believe full swing clubs should be fit.  

 

11.  People overthink putting.

 

12. People that are "good" putters don't think putting is hard and can't understand people that struggle with putting and want help.  

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I think what it boils down to is practice, mentality, having a putter that jives with the golfer and lack of consistency from one course to another for those of us who aren't members of one course for whatever reason.

 

I haven't been out much this summer, but the two times I was able to go out, the closer I got to the green my lack of play/practice time showed. I'm not a good putter when I'm playing regularly, but I probably hit 40 putts each round.

 

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Can be lots of reason that people complain about putting.

 

1. It is fairly easy to do, short stroke as you say but they don't seem to go in the hole. Was the stroke bad or were the expectations too high?

 

2. Greens are not consistent from week to week, course to course, and sometimes hole to told.

 

3. People don't know how to practice putting; especially if they can't be on a putting green.

 

4. Most instructors don't know how to teach putting

 

5. It is more that stroking the ball, it is the only shot in golf that is primarily influenced by the ground

 

6. People expect bad breaks on the course but not on the green

 

7. Unlike pros that hit the ball 300+ 1* of error isn't very penal to most golfers. 1* of error on the putting green is the same for everyone.

 

8,. When being fitted, we fit full swing clubs to the player and his tendencies. With putters we adjust players to fit the putter.

 

9. There is lots of incorrect information that is taken as fact about putting.

 

10. People believe that a putter that looks good will make more putts, even players that believe full swing clubs should be fit.

 

11. People overthink putting.

 

12. People that are "good" putters don't think putting is hard and can't understand people that struggle with putting and want help.

To piggyback on your that great list, for number 12 I'd say your bang on. I average 37 putts a round which is not great. I bought Pelz's putting book which helped a bit, but when I ask good putters how they do it, they're typical response is that it's "easy. You just have to putt with confidence." That explanation helps no one. This is why very few great players make great coaches: they can do it well without knowing exactly why they do it well.

I took a putting lesson last week, and I'll be practicing based on it, but the putting green I usually go to is slow and fairly flat. It doesn't help with my pacing, and it doesn't help with my ability to read greens. The only alternative is to spend more time driving to a better one that's twice as far away.

Anyway, I'm not complaining about my putting. I get what I deserve most days. Just trying to add to the explanation of why it can be tough.

 

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Fundamentals. Using a mirror to make sure eyes were just inside ball and everything was in alignment along with a putting plane board to help with the stroke helped build the good fundamentals to a consistent stroke.

 

Having the right putter that fits your stroke.

 

Reading greens comes with time and patience.

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Great post csnoil but I would add one more to it

 

People often have inflated thoughts about how many putts they should hole and think they are poor putters when they are actually normal putters.

 

Most guys are better putters than they realize and are worse ball strikers than they think they are.

 

Tell a guy that and he will flip out, even when you prove it statistically.

 

 

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Great post csnoil but I would add one more to it

 

People often have inflated thoughts about how many putts they should hole and think they are poor putters when they are actually normal putters.

 

Most guys are better putters than they realize and are worse ball strikers than they think they are.

 

Tell a guy that and he will flip out, even when you prove it statistically.

 

 

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Do you have a link to those stats? I'm real interested to see them.

 

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this is the post ... https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/24711-tiger-made-the-switchmaybe-i-should/?p=441905

 

I'm the one that posted it....I'm not afraid to admit it.  Not sure why Plaid is calling me out here but I will explain.

 

 

 

Stroker... my post wasn't about you. If you'll reread my post I wasn't calling you out or anyone else in particular; certainly not by name. I don't even recall reading your post. There's hundreds/thousands of posts about putting problems. Not just yours alone. Anyway.....

 

Today I had a problem putting. As some of you regulars probably know - I've mentioned many times that I consider myself a good putter. And most of the time I am. Fine. Wish I was as good a ball striker as putting.

Overall I'm a fairly solid player most days. Most of my rounds are mid to low 70's just like 1000's of other players. But not today... I struggled with putting and scrambling mostly -  finishing with a 77. Whew!! I recall chunking one from about 6' off the green on closely mown grass. A no-brainer up and down. Made bogie. Ouch! Ouch!!

 

Things just didn't work out well today. I rarely three-putt. But, today I had three 3 three putts; two resulted in doubles. Lipped a bunch others putts and burned the edges all day it seemed. Even made bogie putting for bird from 8' (one of the three putts). No worries. It happens on occasion. Tomorrow will be better. All it was is a hiccup IMO.

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So today I ask you.... What's the problem?

That's a damn good question! I wish I knew what the problem was/is. 

 

Putting is the worst part of my game. IF I could putt, I would drop 8 strokes from my score... EASILY!

 

I miss 3' - 4' putts routinely. It pisses me off to no end. I can practice till I'm exhausted, and nothing changes. I guess I'm just naturally a crappy putter.... just like some of you are naturally gifted putters.

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I miss 3' - 4' putts routinely

Why do you miss them? Left, right, short, long? Do you start the ball online. Anything consistently or just all over the place? Do you miss during practice as well it just when you are playing?

 

If you are missing that many you have no face control over with the putter. Are you trying to do SBST? Do you follow the putter with your eyes? When you miss do you make adjustments in your next putt?

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I've repeated this on multiple threads, but it's the best way to describe my putting:

 

I can't putt the ball into the ocean from the deck of a cruise ship.  It the cup were made from the bottom of a fifty-five gallon drum, there would be no complaints from me. 

 

But the Rev is right.  Most of us are hypercritical of our putting while having an inflated opinion of our own ball striking.  As bad as my putting was, I was in the 8s and 9s in my prime.  I was in the elevens as an old man. I was still in the 13s when my back was starting to hurt. That doesn't impress the 2s and 3s much, but statistically, and as ludicrous as this sounds, it made me a far better than average recreational player.

 

Practice is the other thing.  Senior players with bad backs simply cannot practice putting.  Hitting stroke after stroke from a bent over position is simply impossible.  Wynton Marsalis still has to practice on his trumpet--you can't be too good at anything without practicing. 

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Do you have a link to those stats? I'm real interested to see them.

 

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I'm sorry but not good at posting links. Csnoil recently did a thread about stats. A scratch golfer is 50/50 at 7 and makes about 10 percent from 20 feet. Touring pros are 50/50 at 8 feet.

 

Those types of stats are all over the place both here and on the net.

 

The secret to being a better putter is to hit the ball closer to the hole.

 

 

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Heh, good question and well stated! In the imortal words from my favorite (old) show from across the pond...

 

 

 

 

This in itself, "made" the thread.

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Stroker, I saw your post and I didn't think he was calling you out; but I digress.

 

I, too, struggle with consistency on the green and have become a  little bit of a putter hoe which leads to a revolving door in my bag.  A couple of things have helped me on the greens lately and I hope they can help you or someone else that reads this.

 

I have started hitting putts everyday.  Even if it is just 5 quick putts before work or bed.  I don't care that my carpet is like putting in the rough, I do it for aim and direction (3-5-8ft, into an old driver head that's a little smaller than a 3 wood).

 

Also like you, I don't often get to practice on a real green, so I bought a birdieball green last year.  When I have time to seriously practice, that's what I use.  That green has really helped me learn and control speed.  

 

The last thing that has helped me recently has been working on my mental approach. I'm still very new to this game so I try to pick up as much as I can from all of the seasoned vets, one of those was Unconscious Putting by Dave Stockton.  I'm not even two chapters into the book and I have already noticed an improvement in my putting just by changing the way that I approach my next putt.

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Can be lots of reason that people complain about putting.

 

1. It is fairly easy to do, short stroke as you say but they don't seem to go in the hole. Was the stroke bad or were the expectations too high?

 

2. Greens are not consistent from week to week, course to course, and sometimes hole to told.

 

3. People don't know how to practice putting; especially if they can't be on a putting green.

 

4. Most instructors don't know how to teach putting

 

5. It is more that stroking the ball, it is the only shot in golf that is primarily influenced by the ground

 

6. People expect bad breaks on the course but not on the green

 

7. Unlike pros that hit the ball 300+ 1* of error isn't very penal to most golfers. 1* of error on the putting green is the same for everyone.

 

8,. When being fitted, we fit full swing clubs to the player and his tendencies. With putters we adjust players to fit the putter.

 

9. There is lots of incorrect information that is taken as fact about putting.

 

10. People believe that a putter that looks good will make more putts, even players that believe full swing clubs should be fit.

 

11. People overthink putting.

 

12. People that are "good" putters don't think putting is hard and can't understand people that struggle with putting and want help.

Great post!

 

Agree with the "over-thinking" comments - I believe too many golfers suffer from "paralysis by analysis"....

 

Would also comment, re: "confidence" - perhaps a better word to use is "decisive".

 

Decide on your line, decide on your speed, go.

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The secret to being a better putter is to hit the ball closer to the hole.

 

Yes, or....... Become a better lag putter.

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Stroker, I saw your post and I didn't think he was calling you out; but I digress.

 

I, too, struggle with consistency on the green and have become a little bit of a putter hoe which leads to a revolving door in my bag. A couple of things have helped me on the greens lately and I hope they can help you or someone else that reads this.

 

I have started hitting putts everyday. Even if it is just 5 quick putts before work or bed. I don't care that my carpet is like putting in the rough, I do it for aim and direction (3-5-8ft, into an old driver head that's a little smaller than a 3 wood).

 

Also like you, I don't often get to practice on a real green, so I bought a birdieball green last year. When I have time to seriously practice, that's what I use. That green has really helped me learn and control speed.

 

The last thing that has helped me recently has been working on my mental approach. I'm still very new to this game so I try to pick up as much as I can from all of the seasoned vets, one of those was Unconscious Putting by Dave Stockton. I'm not even two chapters into the book and I have already noticed an improvement in my putting just by changing the way that I approach my next putt.

My wife got me the "Unconscious Putting" DVD .. really good and highly recommended!
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