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I need some advise on what shaft to hit in two of my clubs that are new to my bag.

 

First club is a Callaway GBB Epic HeavenWood set to 19* in a Aldila Rogue MAX 70 S

 

Second Club is a Cobra King Utility 2-3 Iron set to 18* in a Aldila Rogue 95 MSI 85H Stiff

 

The Question at hand is should I be hitting an X Flex in the two clubs above?

 

- Currently i game a XR 16 Pro with a Aldila RIP Beta 70 X. My driver swing speeds are avg 114mph

- My 3W is in a Fujikura Speeder 84 Tour Spec X

 

I feel like the Heavenwood is a nobrainer to swithc since its a 7W in a 3W shaft. However, the Driving Iron is very new to me and i dont know how this fits in shaft-wise since its right between my irons and woods and is a 7W replacement for windy days or narrow courses. My most frequent miss with UDI is left. 

 

Thanks!

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It's not a simple answer.

 

There's no standard in stiffness throughout the shaft world

 

The shafts can have different profiles

 

The shafts can have different balance points

 

Every golfer reacts uniquely to different stiffnesses, profiles and balance points so unfortunately there's no way anyone can give you an answer on the internet because there's no telling how you'd react to a change in shaft/flex

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There are no hard and fast answers, but based on your speed and other gamers it sure sounds like these are too weak for you. The UDI in particular I would not want to miss left. At your speed left misses can end up way left

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The Question at hand is should I be hitting an X Flex in the two clubs above?

 

 

 

Thanks!

 

Based on the info given, the answer is almost certainly yes.

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It's not a simple answer.

 

There's no standard in stiffness throughout the shaft world

 

The shafts can have different profiles

 

The shafts can have different balance points

 

Every golfer reacts uniquely to different stiffnesses, profiles and balance points so unfortunately there's no way anyone can give you an answer on the internet because there's no telling how you'd react to a change in shaft/flex

 

I appreciate the feedback and I knew that it wouldn't be cut and dry, but was hoping to gain a little more insite since these are new clubs to me. Would it be safe to assume something similar to the 3W shaft i game now would be a good fit for the Heavenwood? 

 

There are no hard and fast answers, but based on your speed and other gamers it sure sounds like these are too weak for you. The UDI in particular I would not want to miss left. At your speed left misses can end up way left

 

 

That's is what i was afraid of i dont want to be "whipping" that club if it is too soft, but my irons are dynamic Gold S300 so i dont know where the UDI lands.

 

Im sure the best thing would be to get fitted for both.


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:cobra-small: King LTD Black 13.5* |  Aldila Rogue 85 X

:cobra-small: King Utility Iron 18* | Aldila Rogue 95 MSI 85H S

 RSi TP P-4 | True Temper Dynamic Golf S300

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I appreciate the feedback and I knew that it wouldn't be cut and dry, but was hoping to gain a little more insite since these are new clubs to me. Would it be safe to assume something similar to the 3W shaft i game now would be a good fit for the Heavenwood?

 

 

 

That's is what i was afraid of i dont want to be "whipping" that club if it is too soft, but my irons are dynamic Gold S300 so i dont know where the UDI lands.

 

Im sure the best thing would be to get fitted for both.

I think you've answered your own question. It's amazing how much difference can exist in the same shaft as you move from driver to fairway to hybrid.

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Best answer is to get fitted because their are no absolutes.

 

I'm borderline x in my driver at around 112ish and play stiff throughout the rest of the bag. I'm currently gaming a stiff in my driver but am going to give x stiff a shot.

 

When you're borderline flex, it really depends on tempo and transition as whether you should look at x or not. For some people an x might make them react/swing differently than when you give another player with a similar swing speed the same shaft

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I'm right at 110mph with driver, quick takeaway. Have played stiff forever. Recently fit into xstiff throughout the bag by a PXG master fitter. Haven't received the clubs yet but will let you know my thoughts. One the range during the fitting it was money. A lower piercing ball flight. We'll see.

 

 

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I am at 105 but with a really quick tempo so I play X stiff. If I play stiff there is just way to much bend in the downswing.

At 114 I would almost certainly recommend the X stiff in all clubs unless you have a really smooth tempo and don't bend the shaft as much.

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If you're swinging 114, more than likely, you need to be in an X. Unless you don't ever bend your wrists at all.............

 

 

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Thanks for all the feedback! Going to get fitted on the two clubs! I will let y'all know the results and my findings once I hit the course with new shafts.

 

 

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Not sure sounds like X flex would be better for you but I will take the old shafts off your hands after you switch them out

 

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... Conner, I will add to jlukes excellent answer by saying how you load a shaft is much more important than how fast you load a shaft. With a 115+ mph swing speed, Freddie Couples used an R flex (not the L Flex some have said) in his Ram Bore Thru 3 wood that he found in Tom Watsons trunk. Because Freddie has a smooth transition and unloads the shaft late, he used the DGR300  very well ... until he found out it was R Flex then started hitting it poorly. Yea, this game isn't mental at all LOL. He put an X Flex in it and went back to killing it. 

... And if you have a short, hard swing with a fast transition, even at 90 mph you still might need a X Flex. One of my playing pards has a very short fast swing and anything but a X flex and he starts spraying it all over the course and his swing speed is around 95. I have a smooth transition at 100 mph and have the S Flex Rogue Black in my King Utility but have the R Flex Even Flow Blue in my UDi, and honestly they both perform equally well as they are almost identical in profile and feel very similar. I have no doubt I could reverse those playing a Rogue Black R flex and an Even Flow S flex and experience the same results. Since you already have these clubs, might as well give them a shot and see how they perform for you and then make adjustments if necessary. Good luck and keep us posted.  

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For me stiffness is very important but the weight is where I get it dialed in.

 

 

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When I was much younger, I measured for stiff in fitting--of course they didn't do it electronically then-- but I didn't like it on the course. 

 

I hit the ball too low with the longer clubs and couldn't feel the club head enough.  I had pretty decent strength, but limited flexibility for backswing (I never raised my left heel to mitigate that), so I didn't have blazing club head speed anyway.

 

Bottom line, as an eight I played the same R-flex that I'm playing as a geriatric now. To this point, I haven't seen anything in ball flight to suggest a softer A. 


 

 

 

 

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just to echo some of the comments about swing mechanics and shaft brand variables.. My driver swing speed is around 112 avg but I have what I've been told a very smooth tempo with a slightly late load/release, lots of hip rotation/clearing before the club really goes to work. When I'm in sync, my flight is pretty dead straight with about 270-280 yd carry. As much as I'd like to "say" that I play X stiff for conversation sake.. it just doesn't work for me. I've tried various X-stiffs and just can't get any extra distance or find any reason that it makes sense. I play S flex all through the bag and have no problems with left shots. I play pretty light weighted 95g iron shafts and a HBP (high balance point) driver shaft on top of that. When I start to pull is when I know I'm just getting lazy and swinging ahead of myself. So I guess what I'm getting at is.. get fitted :P  

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It's not a simple answer.

 

There's no standard in stiffness throughout the shaft world

 

The shafts can have different profiles

 

The shafts can have different balance points

 

Every golfer reacts uniquely to different stiffnesses, profiles and balance points so unfortunately there's no way anyone can give you an answer on the internet because there's no telling how you'd react to a change in shaft/flex

What he said. EXACTLY what he said...

 

 

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I have purchased a PX 7.0 to fit into my driving iron. Having trouble finding the cobra adapter available for it. Hopefully I'll get it set up in the next month or so.

 

 

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:callaway-small:  GBB Epic Sub Zero 8* | Aldila Rogue Max 75 X

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:cobra-small: King Utility Iron 18* | Aldila Rogue 95 MSI 85H S

 RSi TP P-4 | True Temper Dynamic Golf S300

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It seems like X flex is as trendy as "power spec" iron lofts. As a number of posters identified, so many variables go into the right shaft selection. In the more seasoned fitters/equipment junkies opinions, how much of the trend is marketing mumbo jumbo vs newer technology advances that make X flex appropriate for a growing group of people?

 

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