3ironpunch 72 Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 I'm considering replacing the 4 iron with a 4 hybrid after reading the data on the sight and realizing the 4i has been relegated to a punch from trouble. I am hoping someone might have personal experience with the clubs I am considering. Has anyone hit both the Adams Red and the Adams Blue? Beyond that. How about experiences with a replacement? Did the hybrid stay in the bag? Looking forward to feedback. Callaway XR OS 2up 1over BB 454 driver -1 Razor fit 3w Nickent 3h and Nickent PP-001 yup. Original owner In Tennessee with an 18 handicap Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Quote Callaway Big Bertha Fusion Heavy 10.5 closed face setting Callaway Razor Fit 3 wood Nickent 3 Hybrid XR-OS 4i - 9i factory steel stiff 2 up +1 Ben Hogan 44,48,52,56 Nickent PP-01 Maxfli Tour Center of Gravity model Link to post Share on other sites
tony@CIC 17,446 Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 I just got new clubs via the MGS C300 test that were 4-PW. I was really excited to have both 4 & 5 since my old set was 6-PW. After a dozen sessions I retired the 4i and replaced it with a hybrid. I carry 3 hybrids in my bag 19, 22.and 26 and love em. Not sure if you've hit other hybrids (other than Adams) but you may want of to go to your local source and try out a bunch of different brands. I tried all of the brands that GG carries and settled on Ping G 30. FYI my wife plays with Adams hybrids and likes them. Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy 2 Quote Left Hand orientation G410 SFT driver Cobra King F-9 5 wood 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter NX9-HD - 4 Wheel - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Snell MTB-X 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to post Share on other sites
ole gray 16,417 Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 I love the Callaway Steelhead 3 & 4 hybrids I picked up from Callaway preowned. https://www.callawaygolfpreowned.com/golf-clubs/hybrids/hybrids-2016-steelhead-xr.html You can pick up a like new one for a reasonable price so check out the reviews and see what you think. 3 Quote Callaway Epic Flash 10.5 Driver Callaway MAVRIK MAX 3 - wood Callaway Big Bertha 2019 4 & 5 hybrid Tommy Armour 845 MAX 6 - GW Irons Cleveland CBX 2 54 Degree SW Cleveland CBX Full-Face Wedge 58 degree Putters: Odyssey Stroke Lab Black Big Seven Arm Lock Putter Odyssey Triple Track 2-Ball Putter Odyssey Triple Track 10 Putter Cleveland Huntington Beach SOFT Premier 10.5C Putter Cleveland Huntington Beach SOFT Premier 11 Putter Utility club: Square Strike Wedge 45 degree aka pocket picker Link to post Share on other sites
Rickp 21,396 Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 I love the Callaway Steelhead 3 & 4 hybrids I picked up from Callaway preowned. https://www.callawaygolfpreowned.com/golf-clubs/hybrids/hybrids-2016-steelhead-xr.html You can pick up a like new one for a reasonable price so check out the reviews and see what you think. I've been “forcing†myself to use hybrids lately. When I hit them it's great when I don't, snap hook. I think it's a process I need to follow instead of falling back to irons. OG , your on to to something. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy 2 Quote Rick Left Hand, Driver; Titleist TSi2, Kuro Kage 50 gr R2 5 Wood; Cally Steelhead 5 Hybrid; Cally Steelhead, Hazardous Vista Pro R2 Irons; Ping G710 6-GW, Recoil 460 R2 Putter; Waaay too many to list Link to post Share on other sites
3ironpunch 72 Posted July 26, 2018 Author Share Posted July 26, 2018 Thanks. Good info. All my Callaway's came from the preowned site. They do a really good job. I really should hit some locally instead of falling back to the impulse buy. The in-house comptroller might prefer that as well Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy 2 Quote Callaway Big Bertha Fusion Heavy 10.5 closed face setting Callaway Razor Fit 3 wood Nickent 3 Hybrid XR-OS 4i - 9i factory steel stiff 2 up +1 Ben Hogan 44,48,52,56 Nickent PP-01 Maxfli Tour Center of Gravity model Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. 82 3,858 Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 I think you'll find that if you have 100 golfers, you'll get 100 different club selections for their bags. I'll just give you what I currently have in my bag, and what seems to work for me at the moment. Keep in mind that I'm prone to get angry at clubs that don't behave, and sometimes I don't even need an excuse to switch to something else, if the mood strikes, especially when it comes to long irons, et al. I carry at PING G400 3 hybrid (19 degrees) and a PING G400 4 crossover (22 degrees). I then start my irons with 5 through wedges. I was struggling with the 4 iron conundrum, which seems to be a popular conundrum amongst the MGS crowd here, and I was flirting with getting the 4 hybrid, when I started looking into the 4 crossover that PING offers. How is the crossover different from a regular 4 iron, or the hybrid? I'm so glad you asked. The crossover has a bigger head, but looks just like an iron, but it also has a graphite shaft that you'll find in hybrids and fairway woods. So I guess for me it was a compromise between getting the hybrid or continuing to play a 4 iron, which is hard to be consistent with. My results with the crossover are varied, but I would consider it better than an iron, but not as easy to hit as a hybrid. I've also noticed that the crossover, when I hit it solid, go just as far, if not further than the 3 hybrid, so distance control is kind of iffy with this club. Anyway, that's what I have, and am currently playing. 2 Quote G400 Driver XR 4 Fairway 16.5° Fli-Hi Utility Iron - 21° G Series 5-9 irons SM7 46°, 50°, 54° & 58° Ghost Spider S putter Nexus Laser Rangefinder Garmin Approach S20 GPS Link to post Share on other sites
Kmercier 43 Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 I replaced my 4 iron last year with a 21* hybrid. Its not coming out any time soon... I hit that club way too well. The 4 iron, not so much. 2 Quote WITB - New Drive, Irons, and putter for 2019. What could possible go wrong? Driver: EPIC 3wd: BIO Cell+ 12.5* 2hb: Diablo Tour 18* 4-pw: 765 52*: RTX-3 56*: RTX-3 60*: RTX-3 Putter: ER 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Kor.A.Door 5,839 Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 For me it depends on the course and what me needs for the day are, I have both 4i and 4h so I will switch them out depending on the course and tee setups. I like the 4h off the tee but prefer the 4i from the turf. So if the course requires some shorter tee shot I will bag the hybrid. If not I put the 4i in the bag. 2 Quote Lefties are always in their Right Mind Link to post Share on other sites
Har in the Hat 1,589 Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 this thread brings out an interesting question. Why is the 4I so hard to hit? Even I struggle with it,yet I can 99% of the time execute my 5i without any issues. But I switch to the 4 and that's a whole new ball game. it's like it's a completely different club? 5 Quote What's in my Mizuno BR-D2 bag OFFICIAL TESTER FOR THE PING i500 CLUBS. Currently playing Ping i500 w/ Alta CB graphite shafts MP 25 - fitted w/ Project X shafts - stiff 60 / 56 52 910 D2 driver - 9.5 degree -fitted13 F 3 wood 13.5 deg CPR 3 hybrid Method mallet Dexterity: I shoot left-handed so no one can ask me "Hey, can I try that club?" Twitter @GolfingHat Instagram @Mizunostixgolfnut Link to post Share on other sites
McaseyM 1,709 Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 if you're checking out hybrids, be sure to give Cobra a go. I have the F7 in 3/4 ( which you can get pretty cheap these days) and the rails are sweet and helpful. As for still carrying a 4i, my current Cleveland Launcher irons have very low lofted irons with the 4i at 20 and 5i at 23 ( both soon to be bent 1 degree weak) , and i've been very surprised how good the flight is on them. the Cleveland Launcher HB are stupid easy to hit and get airborne if you're looking for a tweener/crossover club. Full disclosure: I won the Clevelands and didn't have to pay for them (but they are damn sweet) , but did buy the Cobra and it has been well worth it. 3 Quote What's in my bag: Driver : F9 10.5, Fujikura Speeder 757 TR Fairway F9 15.5° TBD Hybrid: King F7 18° KBS Tour PROTO Hybrid 95 S+ Irons: z585 4i - 6i, z785 7i-PW, TT DG S300 HS 1x Wedges: CBX 50.11, 55.11, 60.10 TT DG S400 Black Putter: Honey Badger 34" Ball: Q-Star Tour Link to post Share on other sites
palvord 3,540 Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 I'm considering replacing the 4 iron with a 4 hybrid after reading the data on the sight and realizing the 4i has been relegated to a punch from trouble. I am hoping someone might have personal experience with the clubs I am considering. Has anyone hit both the Adams Red and the Adams Blue? Beyond that. How about experiences with a replacement? Did the hybrid stay in the bag? Looking forward to feedback. Callaway XR OS 2up 1over BB 454 driver -1 Razor fit 3w Nickent 3h and Nickent PP-001 yup. Original owner In Tennessee with an 18 handicap Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy I currently use the Adams Red 18*. I still carry a 4i as well as the hybrid replaced my 5W. I may drop the 4i for another wedge. I enjoy the Adams Red. It's not the most used club in my bag, but does come in handy. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy 1 Quote In my Ultralight Stand Bag: Driver: Rogue 10.5° - LH - Aldila Synergy Blue 50 Stiff Woods: King F9 - LH - 3/4 Wood - Atmos Blue TS 7 Stiff King F9 - LH - 5/6 Wood - Atmos Blue TS 7 Stiff Irons: King F9 - LH - 5-GW - KBS C-Taper Lite Stiff Wedges: King Black - LH - 52° 56° 60° - KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 Stiff Putter: - Impact No. 3 Ball: TP5x Tracked By: Currently Testing: LX5 Watch Link to post Share on other sites
palvord 3,540 Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 this thread brings out an interesting question. Why is the 4I so hard to hit? Even I struggle with it,yet I can 99% of the time execute my 5i without any issues. But I switch to the 4 and that's a whole new ball game. it's like it's a completely different club? Excellent question. Sometimes I feel that it's all in my brain about not being able to hit the 4i as well as the 5i or my hybrid. My personal preference is to just use the hybrid. My guess is that I make it a self-fulfilling prophecy that I can't hit my 4i and have that thought in my head when I go to try and play it. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Quote In my Ultralight Stand Bag: Driver: Rogue 10.5° - LH - Aldila Synergy Blue 50 Stiff Woods: King F9 - LH - 3/4 Wood - Atmos Blue TS 7 Stiff King F9 - LH - 5/6 Wood - Atmos Blue TS 7 Stiff Irons: King F9 - LH - 5-GW - KBS C-Taper Lite Stiff Wedges: King Black - LH - 52° 56° 60° - KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 Stiff Putter: - Impact No. 3 Ball: TP5x Tracked By: Currently Testing: LX5 Watch Link to post Share on other sites
tony@CIC 17,446 Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 this thread brings out an interesting question. Why is the 4I so hard to hit? Even I struggle with it,yet I can 99% of the time execute my 5i without any issues. But I switch to the 4 and that's a whole new ball game. it's like it's a completely different club? Interesting - until I came on this thread I thought my inability to hit a 4i was just me. 1 Quote Left Hand orientation G410 SFT driver Cobra King F-9 5 wood 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter NX9-HD - 4 Wheel - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Snell MTB-X 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to post Share on other sites
GB13 7,778 Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 This is interesting. My 4 iron is my go to club. I can hit it high, low, draw, fade. Heck, I might hit it better than my 9 iron. I can't hit hybrids at all. I carry no hybrids. I go 3W 2 iron and then 4 iron. Hybrids are hook machines for me. I have always heard great things about the Cobras with the Baffler rails. 1 Quote Wilson Staff C300 9.0* Fujikura Pro 58 stiff Callaway Rogue 3W Mitsubishi Diamana D+ LTD 80 stiff Mizuno MP-18 MMC FLI-HI 2 iron UST Mamiya Recoil 95 stiff Ping I200's 4-W Aerotech Steelfiber I110 CW stiff Ping Glide 52* and 58* stiff Bettinardi Studio Stock #38 Armlock Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. 82 3,858 Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 this thread brings out an interesting question. Why is the 4I so hard to hit? Even I struggle with it,yet I can 99% of the time execute my 5i without any issues. But I switch to the 4 and that's a whole new ball game. it's like it's a completely different club? It's the loft of the clubhead and the length of the shaft. Don't worry, if you put in a 3 iron, that would be your hardest iron to hit, and the 2 iron if that was your highest lofted club. They used to joke about the 1 iron being impossible to hit, so it's just the trend. Pretty soon, all of our irons will be hybrids and we'll be left with wedges, because the 9 iron will be the highest lofted iron in your bag, and you can't hit that either. 1 Quote G400 Driver XR 4 Fairway 16.5° Fli-Hi Utility Iron - 21° G Series 5-9 irons SM7 46°, 50°, 54° & 58° Ghost Spider S putter Nexus Laser Rangefinder Garmin Approach S20 GPS Link to post Share on other sites
3ironpunch 72 Posted July 26, 2018 Author Share Posted July 26, 2018 I think you'll find that if you have 100 golfers, you'll get 100 different club selections for their bags. I'll just give you what I currently have in my bag, and what seems to work for me at the moment. Keep in mind that I'm prone to get angry at clubs that don't behave, and sometimes I don't even need an excuse to switch to something else, if the mood strikes, especially when it comes to long irons, et al. I carry at PING G400 3 hybrid (19 degrees) and a PING G400 4 crossover (22 degrees). I then start my irons with 5 through wedges. I was struggling with the 4 iron conundrum, which seems to be a popular conundrum amongst the MGS crowd here, and I was flirting with getting the 4 hybrid, when I started looking into the 4 crossover that PING offers. How is the crossover different from a regular 4 iron, or the hybrid? I'm so glad you asked. The crossover has a bigger head, but looks just like an iron, but it also has a graphite shaft that you'll find in hybrids and fairway woods. So I guess for me it was a compromise between getting the hybrid or continuing to play a 4 iron, which is hard to be consistent with. My results with the crossover are varied, but I would consider it better than an iron, but not as easy to hit as a hybrid. I've also noticed that the crossover, when I hit it solid, go just as far, if not further than the 3 hybrid, so distance control is kind of iffy with this club. Anyway, that's what I have, and am currently playing. Thanks. I had never seen a crossover club before. I will add that to the list. Callaway XR OS 2up 1over BB 454 driver -1 Razor fit 3w Nickent 3h and Nickent PP-001 yup. Original owner In Tennessee with an 18 handicap Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy 1 Quote Callaway Big Bertha Fusion Heavy 10.5 closed face setting Callaway Razor Fit 3 wood Nickent 3 Hybrid XR-OS 4i - 9i factory steel stiff 2 up +1 Ben Hogan 44,48,52,56 Nickent PP-01 Maxfli Tour Center of Gravity model Link to post Share on other sites
3ironpunch 72 Posted July 26, 2018 Author Share Posted July 26, 2018 I currently use the Adams Red 22*. I still carry a 4i as well as the hybrid replaced my 5W. I may drop the 4i for another wedge. I enjoy the Adams Red. It's not the most used club in my bag, but does come in handy. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Thanks Callaway XR OS 2up 1over BB 454 driver -1 Razor fit 3w Nickent 3h and Nickent PP-001 yup. Original owner In Tennessee with an 18 handicap Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Quote Callaway Big Bertha Fusion Heavy 10.5 closed face setting Callaway Razor Fit 3 wood Nickent 3 Hybrid XR-OS 4i - 9i factory steel stiff 2 up +1 Ben Hogan 44,48,52,56 Nickent PP-01 Maxfli Tour Center of Gravity model Link to post Share on other sites
tehuti 559 Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 Right now my 4i is way more reliable than my 4h. But as some folks have mentioned in this thread maybe I need to try a few different hybrids. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Gen1 0811X 12° driver w/Project X Evenflow Blue 55g shaft KE4 TC 16° 4 wood w/Kuro Kage Black 60g shaft Z355 22° 7 wood w/Miyazaki Jinsoku shaft KE4 TC 19° 3 hybrid w/UST Proforce V2 Black shaft KE4 TC 22° 4 hybrid w/UST Proforce V2 Black shaft HL E521 25° 5 hybrid w/Fubuki HD55 shaft Sti2 6 iron w/UST Recoil 660 graphite shaft KE4 Tour+ irons 7-PW w/UST Competition Series graphite shafts CBX2 50° wedge w/Rotex shaft M-Series+ 56° wedge w/UST Recoil 660 graphite shaft Huntington Beach Soft Premier 10.5 Link to post Share on other sites
Kor.A.Door 5,839 Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 if you're checking out hybrids, be sure to give Cobra a go. I have the F7 in 3/4 ( which you can get pretty cheap these days) and the rails are sweet and helpful. As for still carrying a 4i, my current Cleveland Launcher irons have very low lofted irons with the 4i at 20 and 5i at 23 ( both soon to be bent 1 degree weak) , and i've been very surprised how good the flight is on them. the Cleveland Launcher HB are stupid easy to hit and get airborne if you're looking for a tweener/crossover club. Full disclosure: I won the Clevelands and didn't have to pay for them (but they are damn sweet) , but did buy the Cobra and it has been well worth it. +1 on the cobras as well. When I broke my tee 3h, I had a cobra amp cell. So I put it in play. It's very solid. The ball jumps off the face. If you look around you can find them reallly inexpensive as well. Quote Lefties are always in their Right Mind Link to post Share on other sites
mcmarsico 47 Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 I'm considering replacing the 4 iron with a 4 hybrid after reading the data on the sight and realizing the 4i has been relegated to a punch from trouble. I am hoping someone might have personal experience with the clubs I am considering. Has anyone hit both the Adams Red and the Adams Blue? Beyond that. How about experiences with a replacement? Did the hybrid stay in the bag? Looking forward to feedback. Callaway XR OS 2up 1over BB 454 driver -1 Razor fit 3w Nickent 3h and Nickent PP-001 yup. Original owner In Tennessee with an 18 handicap Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy I have a Titelist 716 TMB 4 iron that I love! Way easier to hit than other 4 irons I have tried, but has more of the versatility of an iron compared to other crossover clubs in my opinion. I have a 3 hybrid at 20 degrees and then play the 4 iron at 23 degrees (my set 5 iron is 26 degrees). Quote Driver: TS3, 9* (C1 setting, surefit cartridge in fade setting) 3/4 Wood: 917D2, 16.5 degrees (D1 setting, surefit cartridge neutral) Hybrid: Titleist 818 H2, 19 degrees (C3 setting, surefit cartridge neutral) Irons: Mizuno MP-18 MMC Fli-Hi 4-Iron (23 degrees); Mizuno MP-18 SC 5-iron(26) and 6-iron(30); Mizuno MP-18 7-iron(34), 8-iron(38), 9-iron(42), and P Wedge(46). Nippon Modus 120x shafts. 1 degree upright. Wedges: Mizuno S-18 50, 54, and 58 degrees. 50 is 1 degree upright, 54 and 58 are standard lie. Nippon Modus 120x, soft stepped in the 54 and 58. Putter: Evnroll ER1 Right-handed Atlanta, GA 4.3 Link to post Share on other sites
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