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I recommend you hybrid as an option. I don't always carry mine. I usually review the course layout then make a decision from there what will go in the bag for that specific round.


I own two hybrids; 21 degree Taylormade Burner and a Cobra F7. That TM is the truth. It looks a hot mess from years of bad lies and abuse but it flat performs. I'd chase EBay for one! The Cobra is acceptable but not exceptional.




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I noticed something cool.


With modern hybrids and modern stronger iron lofts, we have something different from the old days.


If one has a driver, a single fairway wood, and a couple of hybrids at the top of one's set,


a not at all uncommon setup these days,


then the 5-9 irons actually become the fifth through ninth clubs in the set!


Four wedges (who'd have predicted that fifty years ago?)  and a putter bring you home. 

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As noted above, it's a personal decision, and it may vary based on your clubhead speed to some extent. I am more comfortable with long irons than hybrids, but I'm the exception among my peers. I have a new set of 4i thru GW, but I still carry my old W/S 2i and a CLK hybrid (both 19 deg) and force myself to use the hybrid. I am comfortable using my 4i and my 2i.

Just out of curiosity, what does the 2 hybrid do that the 2 iron can't? Why not carry an extra wedge?

Wilson Staff C300 9.0* Fujikura Pro 58 stiff

Callaway Rogue 3W Mitsubishi Diamana D+ LTD 80 stiff

Mizuno MP-18 MMC FLI-HI 2 iron UST Mamiya Recoil 95 stiff

Ping I200's 4-W Aerotech Steelfiber I110 CW stiff

Ping Glide 52* and 58* stiff

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Like I said, I am still comfortable with long irons and force myself to carry and use a 3 hybrid assuming I'll warm up to it like most players, but the jury is still out on the hybrid. Off a good lie, it's a toss up. To punch out, the 2i. I suppose the hybrid is better off poorer lies due to the wide sole.


And I don't want or need another wedge at the top, or I would make room.

You hit the nail on the head. The hybrid is much better of bad lies. I am much like you in that I prefer hitting irons. Sadly age has not been kind and hitting a 2 or 3 is not an option if I want to stop the ball on or even close to the green. My contact is good but swing speed just won't get the ball in the air. The hybrid flies high and lands reasonably soft for me.



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i recently purchased a king cobra oversized 3/4 hybrid and took it out for a test today..  and after the first 5 shots I now have a new favorite club.  175 yards and straight. 


it also has adjustable lofts , right now i am at a 20.5 degrees.  

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DRIVER -  Ping G425 SFT Driver Tensei AV 55 Orange Reg Flex 

Woods -  Ping G425 7 wood  Tensei AV 65 Orange Reg Flex 

Irons - Cobra Rad Speed 1 Length UST Recoil 780 Smacwrap Graphite Reg Flex 

WEDGES-  Callaway jaws 52/56/60

PUTTER-  Taylormade FCG spider putter 34" 

BALL-  Pro V1x or Tp5X  -- trying to figure this one out.

Footjoy Tour S golf shoe 

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I petsonally love the 2h Adams Red. Even though im getting a new set with a 4i, Im considering finding a 4h to compliment my 2 and 3h. I hit them pretty darn well.

DRIVER: Cobra F9 10.5  Tensei AV Blue 65g

3W- Callway XR PRO 16 stiff

5W- Alpha- Mitsubishi Diamana  Redboard w/band

Irons- Mizuno JPX 919 Tours with S KBS Tour shafts

Hyrbid- TM 4h mid-rescue

Vokey- Vokey SM5 51 degrees,  SM7 Wedges 54 and 58 1/2 half 3 degrees upright

Putter- Taylor Made Rossa Monza Mini Spider

Ball-ProV1 and AVX

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My 4h has been retired. I played with the 4i today and it got me by. Eventually I'll try to find a 4h that I can actually hit.



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 PXG 0211 12° driver w/Project X Cypher R flex  shaft
post-76102-0-38507100-1525284411.jpg KE4 TC 16° 4 wood w/Kuro Kage Black 60g shaft

:srixon-small: Z355 22° 7 wood w/Miyazaki Jinsoku shaft
post-76102-0-38507100-1525284411.jpg KE4 TC 19° 3 hybrid w/UST Proforce V2 Black shaft
post-76102-0-38507100-1525284411.jpg KE4 TC 22° 4 hybrid w/UST Proforce V2 Black shaft

post-76102-0-38507100-1525284411.jpg KE4 TC 25° 5 hybrid w/Mitsubishi Tensei CK Blue shaft

Lazrus 27° 6 hybrid w/Lazrus  graphite shaft
PXG 0211DC irons 7-PW w/Project X Cypher graphite shafts

:cleveland-small: CBX2 50° wedge

post-76102-0-38507100-1525284411.jpg M-Series+ 56° wedge w/UST Recoil 660 graphite shaft
:cleveland-small:  Huntington Beach Soft Premier 10.5

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Thanks everyone for the input. We have a good second hand shop 8n town. I think I will see if they have any TM's or cobra's before my next outing. In the middle of moving so there's that little wrinkle



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Callaway Razor Fit 3 wood

Nickent 3 Hybrid

XR-OS 4i - 9i factory steel stiff 2 up +1

Ben Hogan 44,48,52,56

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I play the r i c k e t b a l d e z 4 iron. Love it. I am considering 4H. Getting close to age 60 and would like to hit the golfball a little higher with my long Irons. Good post . Thx for sharing .



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The Adams Red was considered to be a more iron-like hybrid, and many found it similar to the new Hogan hybrids. A good option if you hook hybrids.


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Adams Super LS 17*

Adams XTD Ti 23*

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Adams wedges: 52/7 56/13 60/7

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