Gg Owen Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 This had to be the most well thought out program on swinging a golf club.The book ‘ videos ‘ on line info covered every single aspect of their method. Is this teaching still relevant? What happened with stack and tilt. I rarely find anything current on it, which is a shame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony@CIC Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 Interesting - never heard of it. What am I missing. Quote Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB13 Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 I struggle with the theory that one can read a book and learn how to swing. Yes, you can read a book that demonstrates the proper way to swing but I doubt you can learn how to do it just by reading a book. You still have to have the athletic ability to do it. Golf by definition an athletic endevour. The swing is more athletic than reading a book. By this theory everyone should be 18 under par every time. You just need to practice your own personalized swing to improve. Quote Wilson Staff C300 9.0* Fujikura Pro 58 stiff Callaway Rogue 3W Mitsubishi Diamana D+ LTD 80 stiff Mizuno MP-18 MMC FLI-HI 2 iron UST Mamiya Recoil 95 stiff Ping I200's 4-W Aerotech Steelfiber I110 CW stiff Ping Glide 52* and 58* stiff Bettinardi Studio Stock #38 Armlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bens197 Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 It's branding for the “reverse pivot†style of a swing. Weight stays mostly on the front foot during the backswing. Body then releases around itself and rather than falling backwards, it rotates back around that front foot. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy MattF and silver & black 2 Quote Titleist TSi3 Fujikura Speeder NX Blue 60X TaylorMade SIM2 3 wood Fujilkura Ventus Blue 7-X Titleist U505 2 Tensei 1K Black 85 X Titleist T100 4-P Nippon Modus 3 120X PING S159 50-S 55-H 59-T DG X100 Vokey SM8 50, SM9 54 & 60 Nippon Modus 3 120s L.A.B. MEZZ Max Broom Accra 47" 79.5* Srixon Z-Star XV Currently testing the 2024 PING S159 wedges… https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/63483-testers-announced-ping-s159-wedges/ Was testing, still loving the 2023 Titleist T100 Irons 4-P https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/60456-titleist-t-series-irons-2023-forum-review/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 Lots of swing approaches come and go. Some still have devoted followers. Stack and tilt was a love it or hate it kind of approach. Like you, haven't heard much about it in 6 or 7 years. I would say The Golfing Machine was more well thought out. PlaidJacket 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAGolfore Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 https://stackandtilt.com/about-st/ Here ya go. This is still around Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Quote Driver: Callaway Rogue 9* FW: Sub 70 Pro 4 wood Hybrid: Sub 70 949 Hybrid 19* Irons: Sub 70 659 CB 4 - 6 Black 639 MB 7 - PW Wedges: Sub 70 JB - 50* 54* & 60* Putter: Odyssey White Hot #2 Ball: Titleist Pro-V1x Handicap index: +3.9 Instagram: joshandersongolf Twitter: @jacustomgolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveP043 Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 From what I've read, a lot of S&T instructors have moved away from that system. Apparently the originators have chosen to retain some elements of their method even when newer and better data collection systems proved those elements to be incorrect. Consequently, they lost a certain amount of credibility. BIG STU 1 Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 I think Eric Axely on tour used S&T, but has moved away from it. BIG STU 1 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 I think Eric Axely on tour used S&T, but has moved away from it. So did Mark Wilson----- Kenny B 1 Quote Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- 5W TM V-Steel Fubuki 60r--- 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R----- 9 W TM V Steel TM MAS stiff---- Irons 2015 TM TP CB Steel Fiber 95 R--- GW Callaway Mack Daddy 2 52* shaft unknown junk pile refugee. SW Callaway PM Grind 56* Modified sole grind--- KBS Tour Wedge-- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter Ping B90I Broom Stick G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perseveringgolfer Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 so did everyone I think- theres always someone coming up with a 'new' method but theres a reason they dont last. Quote Driver Awaiting NEW Driver (after 10 yrs) 4 Wood Callaway Big Bertha Steelhead plus 4+ Callaway shaft in 'Firm' flex Hybrid Titleist 910H 19* Diamana ahina 'flower' shaft in 'S' Irons Mizuno MP18SC 4-PW N.S Pro Modus3 Tour 105 in 'S' Wedges Callaway Mack Daddy forged in black 50* and 54* KBS Tour in 'R' Putter 'YES' Tracy 11 C groove 34.5" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaussman1 Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 The thing is, no tour players got better doing S&T and several got decidedly worse. Not to mention it put an awful lot of strain on the lower back, which gives any golfing method a pretty short life span GB13 and Rtracymog 2 Quote Rogue SZ 10.5 *NEW* Fujikura Pro Green 65 X Rogue 15 degree Evnflow Blue 6.5 Back in the Bag Z765 4-G Nippon Modus 120 Stiff 54 and 60 Amazing Grace Ass Kicker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiftyNiblick Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 This had to be the most well thought out program on swinging a golf club.The book ‘ videos ‘ on line info covered every single aspect of their method. Is this teaching still relevant? What happened with stack and tilt. I rarely find anything current on it, which is a shame Stack and Tilt? Did it go the way of "square to square?" Or better yet, the"Natural Golf Method?" Some day we'll figure out that unless one is a genetic freak, hitting the golf ball consistently well is an urban myth. revkev 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 I remember it being all the rage. But so were hoop skirts. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy perseveringgolfer and NiftyNiblick 2 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattF Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 IIRC Aaron Baddeley is still using a variation of the S&T...hasn't been so hot for him but he's coming around. Quote In the bag: Driver: Darkspeed X 9° UST Mamiya LIN-Q M40X Blue 7F4 Fairway: Apex UW 19° & 21° Project X HZRDUS Smoke RDX Black 5.5 Irons: JPX 923 HMP 5-PW UST Mamiya Recoil 95 F4 Wedges: T-22 Denim Copper 48°, 52° & 56° UST Mamiya Recoil 95 F4 Putter Sycamore 005 Wide Blade Bag: Fairway 14 stand bag Balls: Chrome Tour Cart: CaddyLite ONE Ver. 8 God Bless America, God save the King, God defend New Zealand and thank Christ for Australia! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 IIRC Aaron Baddeley is still using a variation of the S&T...hasn't been so hot for him but he's coming around. Baddeley was a very good putter when he broke out on the tour, but he seems to have lost it. I watched him recently, and if he could putt like he used to, he might make a comeback. MattF 1 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perseveringgolfer Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 tried it once, felt weird and doesnt do your back anygood- well mine anyway Quote Driver Awaiting NEW Driver (after 10 yrs) 4 Wood Callaway Big Bertha Steelhead plus 4+ Callaway shaft in 'Firm' flex Hybrid Titleist 910H 19* Diamana ahina 'flower' shaft in 'S' Irons Mizuno MP18SC 4-PW N.S Pro Modus3 Tour 105 in 'S' Wedges Callaway Mack Daddy forged in black 50* and 54* KBS Tour in 'R' Putter 'YES' Tracy 11 C groove 34.5" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rtracymog Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 I know Mike Weir and a few other tour guys tried this and it ruined them. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy tigerpill 1 Quote Cortex w/MGS Motore X F1 7X tipped 1" F5 17 degree hybrid w/Rogue Black 85X C300 Forged 3-5 w/C-Taper 130X FG Tour V6 5-6 w/C-Taper 130X Staff Model Blade 7-PW w/C-Taper 130X RTX4 52, 56, 60 w/S400 Tour Issue ER7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiftyNiblick Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 I remember Rich Gedman of the Red Sox completely sabotaging his own baseball career by his slavish devotion to the since discredited Charlie Lau / Walt Hriniak 'weight shift" hitting method. Unlike golf, there is one ABSOLUTE method for hitting a baseball--The Ted Williams Science of Hitting Method. My boy was a laser show with the aluminum Little League bat once I indoctrinated him into the Williams technique. Good Lord, could it really have been that long ago? He's 44. And I'm,...oh s***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EthanSterlingPrice Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Sean Foley's players on tour kind of have a stack and tilt look to them to me. Badeley went all in on it and quit after a year I think? Correct me if I'm wrong on that last part though. It just looks like it'd stress that lead leg and hip to me. The golf swing isn't a natural motion but s&tseems all that much more unnatural... Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy srooch2 and GB13 2 Quote Right Handed 4.5 handicap Driver: Nike Vapor Flex with Mitsubishi Rayon Fubuki ZT60x5ct S-flex shaft and stock grip. 3-Metal: Nike VRS 15 degree with Mitsubishi Rayon tour issue Diamana S73x5ct X-flex shaft and GolfPride MCC midsize Black/White grip. Irons: Ben Hogan PTx 22, 26, 30, 34, 38, 42, 46 degrees standard length and lie with KBS Tour-V stiff shafts and GolfPride MCC midsize Black/White grips. Wedges: Ben Hogan TK15 54, 58 degrees with KBS Tour-V X-flex shafts and GolfPride MCC midsize Black/White grips. Putter: Nike Method Converge B1|01 with Superstroke Flatso 2.0 grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Francis Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Well people, your all just not carrying out in instructions correctly! No back problems, digits after the ball, better strike, better ball flight, equals extra distance.. MANY thanks S&T ckeller52, Manavs and Bronco 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckeller52 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 S&T and AimPoint will get me into the 70's this year. I have no doubt. Quote -ckeller52 What's in the bag? This is.... IRONS Srixon ZX5 5-AW fitted with Elements Recoil 806 F2 Shafts WEDGE's Vokey SM9 54* 14 Fitted with Elements Recoil 806 F2 Shafts and A 60* Jean Carlo Golf Wedge (Amazon) DRIVER M6 3 WOOD M6 HYBRIDS cobra King F9 Speedback 3&4 KBS TOUR HB GRAPHITE 75 R PUTTER cobra WideSport 35" Lamkin Sonar+ Tour Calibrate Standard Golf Grips I also use Garmin Approach S70 and a Bushnell V3 (no slope) And a Full Swing Kit launch monitor for the three times a week or so when I practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fubar Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 I started with S&T in 2011 and went from a 2 hcp. to a plus 2 in four months. I also won a state senior amateur and was one of the better senior players in the state for many years. Anytime my game goes downhill, I revert to the basic S&T principles because they work. As I tell people, it works for me, you do what you want. I have two observations on many of the prior comments on this thread. First, while some tour players have tried it and haven't gotten to the next level, that's a very limited group. Once someone has spent their life getting that good, it's pretty tough to get a lot better. So, maybe it's better to start with it before you're good enough to play on tour. At some point natural talent is required. Remember, in any activity, a few people are the best in the world and the rest of us aren't. Second, if you focus closely on the basic S&T principles, you'll notice that most of the world's best players and many of the high profile teachers use them. They don't call it S&T, which I always thought was a bad name anyway. Still, the basics work for almost everyone. ShimmyCocoBop 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Fahrney Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 On 8/7/2018 at 2:00 PM, Gg Owen said: This had to be the most well thought out program on swinging a golf club.The book ‘ videos ‘ on line info covered every single aspect of their method. Is this teaching still relevant? What happened with stack and tilt. I rarely find anything current on it, which is a shame There are hundreds of YouTube videos on this. Saguto golf, Nick Taylor, Jess Frank & Eric Cogorno to name a few. The problem is most PGA Professionals don’t teach it. When you watch most PGA touring pros, they mostly follow the principals. Quote Played golf for over 50 years until my health and business calendar reduced my time to less then 5 rounds a year. Then 4 years ago I retired, changed my diet and lifestyle, lost 100 pounds and got back on the course. Its been a struggle but things are getting better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les L Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 You don't want to confuse the stack and tilt with the stack and jilt. See below Gusset, Haro and MattF 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haro Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 revisiting the S&T philosophy Feeling like its great for precise iron shots , very good for ball then turf hit as my prime purpose I feel like a forward bump with my shoulders gives a bit of weight shift to the lead foot to start of the swing before weight goes back to my rear foot helps the rhythm of my swing i tend to like having the weight on my rear foot at set up . I tried weight shift to the front foot by moving my head / hips but the forward press of my shoulder seem to work best for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShimmyCocoBop Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 I have played with Mike Bennett a few times a year for the past 5 years. Watching him hit balls, play and/or listening to his stories, you know he's the real deal. I watched him get fitted for a driver three weeks ago and I swear he hit 50 balls in a row through a small hole in the sky. I felt like I was watching Moe Norman or Ben Hogan, only he hit super-high bombs around 290+ yards at sea-level. Recently, we played at a popular 72-hole resort in Palm Beach Gardens and staff instructors kept coming over to ask for swing advice in the middle of his round. He is definitely a "Swing Whisperer" - he will take a video on his phone of someone's swing, show them what to change on the screen and then go back to his round. His style is quiet and simple. I agree with Fubar, above, that Mike Bennett and Andy Plummer don't get enough credit for their contribution to modern teaching. Most of their ideas are used by today's instructors, and kids are starting off with much better chances to be great players. How would you like to have the pictured swing at age 15 or 16? Mike and Andy have helped many PGA Tour players both directly and indirectly through other famous instructors using their "fundamentals" and you don't hear much about it. Anyway, they never called their teaching by any name, but Golf Digest decided to call them Stack and Tilt. Who knows if that name hurt or helped them. Here's a link to a recent article on S&T: https://scoregolf.com/opinion/lorne-rubenstein/whatever-happened-to-stack-tilt-its-alive-and-thriving-say-its-originators/ Quote After retiring from the PGA of America, I did some demo days and club fitting for TaylorMade, Callaway, Titleist, Ping, Cobra, Srixon and Mizuno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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