PING Apologist #9 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 There's quite a good bit of fine advice flying around here lately and was thinking I'd start this thread to consolidate some of it for us "bogey(+) player" types. One tip I've heard of is to take one extra club (say 6i instead of 7i) if the pending approach shot calls for the same club you'd select every time by default, i.e.: 7i. I think I'm in this default-mode quite solidly. I have a gap chart I've created for every stick I have (sans putter of course) that I look at for almost all approach shots after I take a LRF shot at the flag. If the LRF says "149", I just grab my 150-yd club (7i) and try to execute the shot. If I happen to be online, I generally am short, so the "add 1 club" tip may apply pretty darn well. I will try this on the next outing for sure. What are your best general tips you have for us to improve our on-course management? Thank-you all in advance Spies! tony@CIC, cksurfdude, MGoBlue100 and 1 other 4 Quote In my DLX Cart Bag: Driver: G410 SFT, set to 9.5*, Mitsubishi Tensei CK Orange 60, stiff (MGS Official 2019 Tester) 3W: G-Series SF TEC, set to 16*, Aldila Tour Blue ATX, 65g, stiff 5W: G400 SFT, set to 19*, Aldila Tour Blue ATX, 65g, stiff 7W: G410 SFT, set to 22*. Alta CB 65 Red, stiff Irons: GMax, Green Dot, 5-PW, Project X Graphite Blue 6.0, 80-90g , stiff Wedges: Glide 2.0 Stealth, 50* SS, 54* ES & 60*/8 Forged MGS Special from the Wedge Wizard, Green Dot, Alta CB graphite, 84g, stiff Putter: Vault 2.0 B60 Copper, 33", black dot w/GP SNSR grip (PING Sigma 2 Fetch under "see-trials") Ball: MTB BLACK (MGS Official 2018 Tester for the MTB RED) Shoes: Classics Tour w/Black Widow Softspikes Disabled Marine Veteran. Semper Fi! #No apologies, just Play Your Best #Powertotheplayers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post excourse Posted August 15, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 15, 2018 Add one club, always. Aim for the center of the green Play fast Play the shortest tees your course offers. Leave your ego in the trunk with your street shoes. It's all about the next shot, not the last one. No fist pumps, no thrown clubs. You're not good enough for either. Stay classy, never offer advice. Always fix at least 3 pitch marks on every green. Yeah, I feel sorry for you guys who play at private clubs where pitch marks aren't an issue. Play the cheapest balls you can buy or find. A proV1 isn't going to help you. Practice Sent from my SM-N950U using MyGolfSpy mobile app Charli, cksurfdude, SeeMore Putts and 17 others 20 Quote Wishon clubs, Odyssey CS stroke lab putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PING Apologist #9 Posted August 15, 2018 Author Share Posted August 15, 2018 Add one club, always. Aim for the center of the green Play fast Play the shortest tees your course offers. Leave your ego in the trunk with your street shoes. It's all about the next shot, not the last one. No fist pumps, no thrown clubs. You're not good enough for either. Stay classy, never offer advice. Always fix at least 3 pitch marks on every green. Yeah, I feel sorry for you guys who play at private clubs where pitch marks aren't an issue. Play the cheapest balls you can buy or find. A proV1 isn't going to help you. Practice Sent from my SM-N950U using MyGolfSpy mobile app Wish I could pound on the "like" button more than once! Well done Sir! LankyGolf 1 Quote In my DLX Cart Bag: Driver: G410 SFT, set to 9.5*, Mitsubishi Tensei CK Orange 60, stiff (MGS Official 2019 Tester) 3W: G-Series SF TEC, set to 16*, Aldila Tour Blue ATX, 65g, stiff 5W: G400 SFT, set to 19*, Aldila Tour Blue ATX, 65g, stiff 7W: G410 SFT, set to 22*. Alta CB 65 Red, stiff Irons: GMax, Green Dot, 5-PW, Project X Graphite Blue 6.0, 80-90g , stiff Wedges: Glide 2.0 Stealth, 50* SS, 54* ES & 60*/8 Forged MGS Special from the Wedge Wizard, Green Dot, Alta CB graphite, 84g, stiff Putter: Vault 2.0 B60 Copper, 33", black dot w/GP SNSR grip (PING Sigma 2 Fetch under "see-trials") Ball: MTB BLACK (MGS Official 2018 Tester for the MTB RED) Shoes: Classics Tour w/Black Widow Softspikes Disabled Marine Veteran. Semper Fi! #No apologies, just Play Your Best #Powertotheplayers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 My best advice is to play for your shot shape. Why take driver on a dogleg left if you slice? You're making the hole longer for yourself. Take a hybrid or a comfortable iron and get the ball in play. Who care what your buddies say. My miss with the driver is right. So if the hole is going left I'm not using driver unless it's been on fire that day. Opposite if you hook the ball. ole gray, PING Apologist #9, pglouky and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Accept that bad shots happen to everyone. Once the ball is in the air nothing else you can do so as you are heading for the ball forget that shot/result and prepare to play the shot that's in front of you #2 around the greens get the ball on the green and rolling as soon as possible. Consider using less loft for chips and pitches instead of playing for the hop n stop. Let th ball land and roll out like a putt. pglouky, DaveP043, ole gray and 3 others 5 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB13 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Play smart Hit the shot you know you can hit not the one that might happen Don't get overly frustrated and if you do get frustrated(hey it happens to every one) forget it by the next shot You will hit bad shots everyone does Set manageable and realistic goals i.e. Under bogey golf Practice playing(can be on range) don't practice practicing. And most importantly at Bogey golf, don't take it too seriously and have fun while playing. PING Apologist #9, ole gray and cksurfdude 3 Quote Wilson Staff C300 9.0* Fujikura Pro 58 stiff Callaway Rogue 3W Mitsubishi Diamana D+ LTD 80 stiff Mizuno MP-18 MMC FLI-HI 2 iron UST Mamiya Recoil 95 stiff Ping I200's 4-W Aerotech Steelfiber I110 CW stiff Ping Glide 52* and 58* stiff Bettinardi Studio Stock #38 Armlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaidJacket Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 The "Bogey" Golfers Guide to Course Strategy/Management - I'd advise a bogey golfer to first (strategy) play a forward tee and stay off the back tee. Learn (management) the dangers on a golf course, how to avoid them, and how to recover when they aren't avoided. Letting go of egos, fixing divots and playing cheap balls isn't going to help a bogey golfer improve their chances of staying in the game. silver & black, cksurfdude and PING Apologist #9 3 Quote My Sun Mountain bag currently includes: 771CSI 5i - PW and PFC Micro Tour-c 52°, 56°, 60 wedges EXS 10.5*, 929-HS FW4 16.5* Willimette w/GolfPride Contour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEZIPR23 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 I don't think there is a "bogey" golfer strategy or management that would be any different than any other's. To me it is all about just that, strategy and management. If you select a plan, implement it and stick to it then you are doing what every golfer should do. Execution is always the key and by sticking to your plan, you can adjust it accordingly based on what your execution is. Most everything in this thread should be applied to ALL golfers. silver & black, PING Apologist #9 and cksurfdude 3 Quote Stealth 2+ 9 (Diamana PD 60 S 45") Stealth 2+ 15 (Diamana PD 70 S 43") G425 19 (Raijin 2.0 85x) G425 22 (Raijin 2.0 85x) ZX7 5-9 (KBS C Taper S) Vokey SM9 45 10 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 49 08 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 55 08 M (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 59 04 T (KBS 610) Spider GT Splitback 34" ProV1 #23 Twitter @THEZIPR23 "One thing Golf has taught me, is that my muscles have no memory." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEZIPR23 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 https://golficity.com/score-better-proper-golf-course-management/ Decent article on where to start. PING Apologist #9 and cksurfdude 2 Quote Stealth 2+ 9 (Diamana PD 60 S 45") Stealth 2+ 15 (Diamana PD 70 S 43") G425 19 (Raijin 2.0 85x) G425 22 (Raijin 2.0 85x) ZX7 5-9 (KBS C Taper S) Vokey SM9 45 10 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 49 08 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 55 08 M (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 59 04 T (KBS 610) Spider GT Splitback 34" ProV1 #23 Twitter @THEZIPR23 "One thing Golf has taught me, is that my muscles have no memory." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 First, a bogey golfer needs to analyze why they are a bogey golfer. Not all bogey golfers are the same. A bogey golfer can hit the ball 300 yards but rarely straight, or they can't hit the ball 200 yards but it's often in the fairway. Saying they should move up to forward tees is not the answer for everyone. Sure both golfers would probably benefit, but that's not what the golfer that hits 300 yards wants to do. Other bogey golfers may be good tee-to-green, but have no short game. The point is... play to your strengths and practice your weaknesses. There is no way around it; you have to practice. I'm not a Martin Hall fan, but he's right: "If you keep doing what you've been doing, you'll keep getting what you've been getting." In my case... I was a bogey golfer for 10 years. I started playing golf late in life and while I had decent distance when I started, I rarely was straight. Over the last 10 years I've lost distance off the tee, but I went from a bogey golfer to single digit. How? I took lessons and now keep the ball in play, and I practice my short game several times a week on days I don't play. I know everyone wants to play. I get it. So did I. But I wanted to get better, and the quickest way IMHO is to take lessons and practice the short game. If you play while taking lessons, be warned! The time and money spent on lessons will be wasted because when you play, you WILL revert to your engrained swing habits. Those are not easily forgotten. As far as having a plan... Having a plan is great, but the reality is that many bogey golfers are not good enough to implement a plan on how to play a hole. I've seen golfers hit a hybrid instead of their driver, and mishit it just a badly as they would have hit their driver. Now they are further from the hole. For the bogey golfer, plenty of shots are going to be missed, and they will lead to mistakes made. It's how a golfer recovers from bad shots that determines whether or not they remain a bogey golfer. The best thing to do is understand each hole and the course. Play the shots that can be confidently made, accept the outcome, learn from it, practice those shots needed to recover, and most of all... enjoy the game. Golfspy_CG2, tony@CIC, MaxEntropy and 4 others 6 1 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kor.A.Door Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 There's quite a good bit of fine advice flying around here lately and was thinking I'd start this thread to consolidate some of it for us "bogey(+) player" types. One tip I've heard of is to take one extra club (say 6i instead of 7i) if the pending approach shot calls for the same club you'd select every time by default, i.e.: 7i. I think I'm in this default-mode quite solidly. I have a gap chart I've created for every stick I have (sans putter of course) that I look at for almost all approach shots after I take a LRF shot at the flag. If the LRF says "149", I just grab my 150-yd club (7i) and try to execute the shot. If I happen to be online, I generally am short, so the "add 1 club" tip may apply pretty darn well. I will try this on the next outing for sure. What are your best general tips you have for us to improve our on-course management? Thank-you all in advance Spies! Adding a club is something I sometimes forget about, during the winter I do, but in the summer I never feel like I need to, then I come up short and think why. The thought is to add a club until you start going over all the greens. cksurfdude, Kenny B, ole gray and 2 others 5 Quote Lefties are always in their Right Mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Adding a club is something I sometimes forget about, during the winter I do, but in the summer I never feel like I need to, then I come up short and think why. The thought is to add a club until you start going over all the greens. Going over our greens is usually bad, unless you like chipping on a severe downslope. PING Apologist #9, cksurfdude and silver & black 3 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony@CIC Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 There's quite a good bit of fine advice flying around here lately and was thinking I'd start this thread to consolidate some of it for us "bogey(+) player" types. One tip I've heard of is to take one extra club (say 6i instead of 7i) if the pending approach shot calls for the same club you'd select every time by default, i.e.: 7i. I think I'm in this default-mode quite solidly. I have a gap chart I've created for every stick I have (sans putter of course) that I look at for almost all approach shots after I take a LRF shot at the flag. If the LRF says "149", I just grab my 150-yd club (7i) and try to execute the shot. If I happen to be online, I generally am short, so the "add 1 club" tip may apply pretty darn well. I will try this on the next outing for sure. What are your best general tips you have for us to improve our on-course management? Thank-you all in advance Spies! There's quite a good bit of fine advice flying around here lately and was thinking I'd start this thread to consolidate some of it for us "bogey(+) player" types. One tip I've heard of is to take one extra club (say 6i instead of 7i) if the pending approach shot calls for the same club you'd select every time by default, i.e.: 7i. I think I'm in this default-mode quite solidly. I have a gap chart I've created for every stick I have (sans putter of course) that I look at for almost all approach shots after I take a LRF shot at the flag. If the LRF says "149", I just grab my 150-yd club (7i) and try to execute the shot. If I happen to be online, I generally am short, so the "add 1 club" tip may apply pretty darn well. I will try this on the next outing for sure. What are your best general tips you have for us to improve our on-course management? Thank-you all in advance Spies! The one up strategy for me depends on the Pin location and the 'danger zone' around the pin. For instance if the pin is in back - meaning I have a lot of green to work with I'll go with the iron for that distance. On the other hand is the pin is in front and there are bunkers surrounding the front of the green - which in our case is pretty common, I'm going with a longer club. Note: I'd rather have a longer putt than trying to get out of bunkers. Kenny B, silver & black, cksurfdude and 1 other 4 Quote Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveP043 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 I'll duplicate a few that I think are important, and not just for a "bogey golfer". Aim for the middle of the green. This isn't just side-to-side, but front to back. For a front pin, plan to be past it, in the middle. For a back pin, plan to be short of it, in the middle. Short game shots MUST get on the green. Don't try the high-risk flop over a bunker to a tight pin, just get it on the green somewhere. Get every shot as close to the hole as reasonably possible, unless you NEED to stay shorter to avoid trouble. Don't lay up to 100 yards if you can get it to 60, most players will do better from a shorter distance most of the time. Play to your strengths, but practice to improve your weaknesses. I strongly recommend reading "Lowest Score Wins". http://lowestscorewins.com/buy This book was written by the owner of a "rival" golf website, and I know that the author has alienated some people with his online personality. Nevertheless, this book presents excellent discussions of on-course decision making, planning your practice, and a host of other topics. Very little about the golf swing itself. cksurfdude, MGoBlue100, silver & black and 3 others 6 Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGoBlue100 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Add one club, always. Aim for the center of the green Play fast Play the shortest tees your course offers. Leave your ego in the trunk with your street shoes. It's all about the next shot, not the last one. No fist pumps, no thrown clubs. You're not good enough for either. Stay classy, never offer advice. Always fix at least 3 pitch marks on every green. Yeah, I feel sorry for you guys who play at private clubs where pitch marks aren't an issue. Play the cheapest balls you can buy or find. A proV1 isn't going to help you. Practice Sent from my SM-N950U using MyGolfSpy mobile app Yes!! to all of this! Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy PING Apologist #9 1 Quote "Where'd it go?" "Right in the Lumberyard..." Gen 2 0811 XF 10.5* Graphite Design Tour AD DI-6x Gen 2 0211 15* 3W Mitsubishi Tensei Raw Blue 65-S Tour B JGR 15* Fairway UST ProForce V2 7F5 76g X-Flex (These two are gonna fight it out in early "24 to see who stays in the bag...) Tour B JGR 19* & 22* Hybrid UST ProForce V2 90g X-Flex Tour B JGR HF-2 irons (5i - PW) KBS Tour 130x CBX Wedges (50, 54, 58) TT Dynamic Gold 115 Wedge Shaft MATI Mamo Putter 33" Super Stroke Football League 3.0 Slim Hoofer Camo Stand Bag Precision Pro Nexus Rangefinder FAN! PRO Member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemclub Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 The very first time I ever broke bogey golf, I just decided to try playing the course like bogey was par. The very least I figured I can't do worse than I had been already (which was always 90+). I approached every hole as if it was actual par +1 and planned my strategy accordingly. It forces you to take such a smarter strategy when you are actually trying to make bogey and not par. You approach holes differently and make shots you wouldn't otherwise (like avoiding bunkers). There are always a few holes that it makes sense to try to go for the green in regulation or try hitting a longer tee ball (which then counts like a birdie if you make par). RESULT = I shot 3 under bogey golf that day—my playing partners couldn't believe it. Kenny B, Txmason123, cksurfdude and 6 others 8 1 Quote Bag: Bennington Quiet Organizer 9-Lite (link) Cart: 3.5+ Driver: F9 speedback, Accra iWood Woods: Sonartec GS Tour 14*, Fujikura Six S DI: T-MB 2 iron, KBS Tour-V 120 X, Irons: PP-9003SN 4-GW, Nippon 1150GH Stiff Wedges: 1957 K-grind SW, LW, Nippon 1150GH Stiff Putter: EXO Indianapolis (link) Ball: MTB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. 82 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 There is a guy in my Saturday foresome who plays to “Frankie par†which is basically bogey golf. He's happy if he leaves the course shooting 90 or less. Several items to add to this for your consideration... I've played with more bogey golfers then I can count and the #1 reason that keeps a bogey golfer there is that you can't hit a chip shot accurately from 70 yards and in. You chunk it, blade it or something in that neighborhood. Why not just take a pitching wedge from within 90 yards of the green and master that club. Take the other wedges out of your bag until you get deadly with a PW around the greens. Also, I bet I can beat you on a par 5 if I take 7 iron off of the tee and play from where that ends up. Meanwhile, go ahead and hit your driver in the bunker, or out of bounds, or behind a tree, or in the water, or anywhere but the fairway. I'll still get on the green in regulation hitting 7 iron down the fairway 3 times, versus you spraying a driver anywhere but straight, and then you have to hit something from a difficult lie just to recover, which you probably shank into deeper trouble. I see this every week with the guys I play with. They spend 18 holes getting mad at their driver and playing from the woods, and chunking chips and hating their wedges because they can't hit any of them. Give me a 7 iron, PW and putter, and I bet I can beat the bogey golfer with all 14 of his clubs. Something to think about anyway. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy silver & black, PING Apologist #9 and Kenny B 3 Quote G400 Driver XR 4 Fairway 16.5° Fli-Hi Utility Iron - 21° G Series 5-9 irons SM7 46°, 50°, 54° & 58° Ghost Spider S putter Nexus Laser Rangefinder Garmin Approach S20 GPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sluggo42 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 A bogie player by definition means you really only screw up one shot per hole right? So that means you're close. Extra club always.... Nope Only with a red flag Figure out how far you hit your clubs... ok? Is not that hard. One trip to the range should settle that. Plan to play par- always visualize a great shot, never plan on sucking... if you take an extra club and chunk it? You've still chunked it. If you chunk it, visualize the next shot being great. Hit better drives- if you always hit crap duck hooks, or banana slices, spend a few minutes on YouTube and read up on why you do that, then take the outlined steps to quit doing that. Doing the same thing over and over , while expecting a different outcome is, well..... Admit to yourself you do that, and start doing something else. If you can't hit a driver in play, then guess what....? Hit something else... in play. Not everyone can afford lessons, but who in here can't operate a laptop and YouTube? GB13, silver & black and PING Apologist #9 3 Quote TSr2 on tensi blue stiff Speedzone 3-wood on Tensi blue S Epic Max 5 and 7 woods on HZRDUS Reg flex Paradym 9 wood on HZRDUS reg flex P770 / P790 combo set on Ventus R-6 shafts 6-AW T22 Denim Copper 54°, 58° on Kinetic X Trajectory ER3 or, E.A.S. #4 (“Fang” or “Adele”) ProV1x, or, Maxfli Tour X .Org 14 cart bag Adidas Tour 360 , or Sketcher shoes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sluggo42 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 I have a gap chart I've created for every stick I have (sans putter of course) that I look at for almost all approach shots after I take a LRF shot at the flag. If the LRF says "149", I just grab my 150-yd club (7i) and try to execute the shot. If I happen to be online,????? I generally am short, ???.?so the "add 1 club" tip may apply pretty darn well.! “I generally am shortâ€?.??? I think you need to adjust you gap chart! What good is a gap/distance chart that is “generally†incorrect? Have an honest idea of your lengths. Remember also, you can also nano adjust distances by gripping down, a little will remove 5ish yards, up to 10 if you go all the way to a first finger steel. cksurfdude and PING Apologist #9 2 Quote TSr2 on tensi blue stiff Speedzone 3-wood on Tensi blue S Epic Max 5 and 7 woods on HZRDUS Reg flex Paradym 9 wood on HZRDUS reg flex P770 / P790 combo set on Ventus R-6 shafts 6-AW T22 Denim Copper 54°, 58° on Kinetic X Trajectory ER3 or, E.A.S. #4 (“Fang” or “Adele”) ProV1x, or, Maxfli Tour X .Org 14 cart bag Adidas Tour 360 , or Sketcher shoes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kor.A.Door Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Going over our greens is usually bad, unless you like chipping on a severe downslope. You have to play to the course setup as well, but if you continually come up 5-10 yard short of every green, adding a club will get you to the green. Once you start hitting it over the greens, switch to the shorter clubs. Most times though it's ego that keeps us from using the correct club, instead we hit the one that comes up short Txmason123, Kenny B, silver & black and 1 other 4 Quote Lefties are always in their Right Mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 You have to play to the course setup as well, but if you continually come up 5-10 yard short of every green, adding a club will get you to the green. Once you start hitting it over the greens, switch to the shorter clubs. Most times though it's ego that keeps us from using the correct club, instead we hit the one that comes up short My wife and I use both a laser and GPS when we play. She always uses the laser; I never do. She will tell me the distance to the flag; I look where the flag is located. If it's back, I use the GPS center number. Our greens are very firm and stopping balls on approaches isn't easy. If it's a front pin, I use the GPS front number unless it's closer to the middle. DoctorK, cksurfdude and PING Apologist #9 3 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 There is a guy in my Saturday foresome who plays to “Frankie par†which is basically bogey golf. He's happy if he leaves the course shooting 90 or less. Several items to add to this for your consideration... I've played with more bogey golfers then I can count and the #1 reason that keeps a bogey golfer there is that you can't hit a chip shot accurately from 70 yards and in. You chunk it, blade it or something in that neighborhood. Why not just take a pitching wedge from within 90 yards of the green and master that club. Take the other wedges out of your bag until you get deadly with a PW around the greens. Also, I bet I can beat you on a par 5 if I take 7 iron off of the tee and play from where that ends up. Meanwhile, go ahead and hit your driver in the bunker, or out of bounds, or behind a tree, or in the water, or anywhere but the fairway. I'll still get on the green in regulation hitting 7 iron down the fairway 3 times, versus you spraying a driver anywhere but straight, and then you have to hit something from a difficult lie just to recover, which you probably shank into deeper trouble. I see this every week with the guys I play with. They spend 18 holes getting mad at their driver and playing from the woods, and chunking chips and hating their wedges because they can't hit any of them. Give me a 7 iron, PW and putter, and I bet I can beat the bogey golfer with all 14 of his clubs. Something to think about anyway. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy This reminds me of a story of my first year playing golf. I joined our company golf league on Monday evenings. My best score all summer for 9 holes was 62. At the end of the summer they had a 3-club tournament. Since I couldn't hit any wood very well, I picked 5i, 9i, and putter. Shot 47. Sure, I could have eventually played bogey golf with those 3 clubs, but even though I would have achieved a goal, it would seem artificial to me because I wouldn't have done it playing the clubs I should be playing. Most people start playing golf by wanting to smash the ball as far as they can. It's fun. It's more fun when they find the ball. Hit one booming drive straightish, and they are hooked. cksurfdude, PING Apologist #9, Mr. 82 and 1 other 4 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB13 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 “I generally am short�.??? I think you need to adjust you gap chart! What good is a gap/distance chart that is “generally†incorrect? Have an honest idea of your lengths. Remember also, you can also nano adjust distances by gripping down, a little will remove 5ish yards, up to 10 if you go all the way to a first finger steel. I don't know if I would recommend gripping down to a bogey golfer. I think they would still take a 7 iron swing and blade it. They wouldn't realize to adjust their stance. And even if they did the results would still probably be worse 15 feet long. That is a shot that requires a lot of practice to learn how to adjust your stance and swing. cksurfdude, Kenny B and PING Apologist #9 3 Quote Wilson Staff C300 9.0* Fujikura Pro 58 stiff Callaway Rogue 3W Mitsubishi Diamana D+ LTD 80 stiff Mizuno MP-18 MMC FLI-HI 2 iron UST Mamiya Recoil 95 stiff Ping I200's 4-W Aerotech Steelfiber I110 CW stiff Ping Glide 52* and 58* stiff Bettinardi Studio Stock #38 Armlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 I don't know if I would recommend gripping down to a bogey golfer. I think they would still take a 7 iron swing and blade it. They wouldn't realize to adjust their stance. And even if they did the results would still probably be worse 15 feet long. That is a shot that requires a lot of practice to learn how to adjust your stance and swing. I agree. But of course it depends on the bogey golfer. A bogey golfer could be a good ball striker, but suck at the short game. The problem with single digit players (myself included) giving recommendations to bogey golfers is that many times what seems easy, is not easy for someone with less skill. It's all well-intentioned, but is it very helpful? This thread was started by a higher handicap player, but we have not heard much from bogey+ players. I would like to get some feedback from these players on what they have tried, what worked, what issues they have. Is that the intent of this thread? GB13, cksurfdude, PING Apologist #9 and 1 other 4 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 As an tweener - I'm a 5 so I'm half way between a bogey golfer and being a good golfer - I think that much of the advice being given here is good except one exception - the ball that you play matters - get it through your head - the ball that you plays matters - There are three different types of balls - most people should find the urethane covered ball that best fits their game and use it - price isn't so much a factor anymore - you can buy Vice or Snell or hit the second hand sites and get a top quality ball for a reasonable price. The urethane covered ball provides more options around the green - this isn't about spin on your 5 iron or off the driver - any reasonably good ball will spin about the same off of those clubs - it's all about around the green - so pick a ball, any urethane covered ball and test it around the green - if you like it stick with it for the entire season - do your testing in the late fall to determine if you want to switch to something else for next season - Remember the ball is a piece of equipment used for every shot - It matters - hugely and if you so desire you are good enough, as a bogey golfer, to use the Pro VI or Pro VIx whichever is the better fit. Course management is a big deal - most golfers think they are great at course management - most golfers are not - on average there is about the same gap between the average golfer and touring pros as there is in the other facets of the game. The first step to figuring out good course management is to chart your game - its almost certain that you will discover that you are short of target a significant portion of the time - if not - bully for you but an honest assessment for almost anyone here -even a lower handicap player is that we are mostly short - mishits (which all of us do) produce short shots. Once you've figured out how to manage that work on how to manage those misses - normally that means short game work - practice your short game twice as much as your long game and you'll see dramatic results - Take lessons if you don't already - don't expect lessons to be a magic bullet - if you are going to do it be sure that you are able to set aside the time necessary to practice what you learn. If you aren't already get fit for your equipment. Get involved in some sort of golf specific fitness program. Those pieces of advice should be good for any of us. But most of all since there has been contrary advice - the ball does matter and you are good enough as a bogey golfer or any golfer except the person playing a hand full of times a year to play a urethane ball because price doesn't come into play any more - it used to but it doesn't now. NiftyNiblick, Kenny B, cnosil and 5 others 8 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiftyNiblick Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 The Rev always makes great points which is why I always enjoy reading his posts. The "take lessons" advice and the "get fitted" advice are points with which it's hard to argue. As to the course management issue, there's no question that most if not all bogie linksters overvalue their own skills in making management decisions. The right decision would doubtlessly improve their scores. But there is another consideration. Deep down, is the lowest possible score always preferred to playing the game the way one would prefer to play it? The quick answer might be "yes," but on further consideration, one must consider the possibility that the best way to play is the way that's the most fun. Now to the golf ball.: right now, it looks like I'm much closer to assisted living than I am to ever playing golf again. I had a Quixotic dream that I might be able to play wearing my back brace, but just hitting balls and practicing a few putts tells me that if I were a dog or a cat, the humane thing would be to put me down. However, when I was at my very best, an 8 or 9, sometimes even brushing up against 7, I played the universally maligned original Spalding Top Flite, often called, the Rock Flite. I absolutely loved that ball, the compression of which was too high to advertise. And I played my best golf with it. So I have to say, Rev, I just don't know. cksurfdude, PING Apologist #9 and pglouky 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeeMore Putts Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 I agree. But of course it depends on the bogey golfer. A bogey golfer could be a good ball striker, but suck at the short game. The problem with single digit players (myself included) giving recommendations to bogey golfers is that many times what seems easy, is not easy for someone with less skill. It's all well-intentioned, but is it very helpful? This thread was started by a higher handicap player, but we have not heard much from bogey+ players. I would like to get some feedback from these players on what they have tried, what worked, what issues they have. Is that the intent of this thread? I'm a bogey player! And your first sentence nailed it. I hit over 60% of fairways consistently with drives 275+ yds, but my short game is atrocious (which I'm realizing more and more). Putting is average (1.9/hole). It's frustrating because I have the potential to be a single digit handicapper, but I just can't seem to put an entire round together. For example, last round I was +1 through 5 holes but ended with a 90. I've also had multiple rounds where I'll drop 5-9 strokes on the back. Going 49-40 or 47-42 is a regular occurrence. (I swear I warm up). I read yesterday that PGA Tour guys are up and down 70% of the time from 50 yrds and in. This is where I struggle and am working to improve. I can't claim to be up and down with that percentage until I'm on the green. What I did to reach this point was: - took lessons - use a tracking app like the Grint to find where the misses are - practice with a purpose - practice putting inside everyday with a PuttOut. Thanks for reading my $0.02. Sent from my Nexus 6P using MyGolfSpy mobile app ncwoz, PING Apologist #9, cksurfdude and 1 other 4 Quote Driver - Big Bertha Alpha 3W - XHot Pro 3 Hybrid - Rescue 11 4-PW - Maltby DBM Forged 52 - SM4 56 - RTX-3 60 - Scratch SS Putter - FGP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiftyNiblick Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 It's frustrating because I have the potential to be a single digit handicapper, but I just can't seem to put an entire round together. You, like me, are a natural for gross Stableford matches. A nuclear hole just means a hole with no points. Meanwhile, you pile up points on the other holes. I've beaten better players than I under those stipulations. PING Apologist #9, cksurfdude and SeeMore Putts 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveP043 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 I'm a bogey player! And your first sentence nailed it. I hit over 60% of fairways consistently with drives 275+ yds, but my short game is atrocious (which I'm realizing more and more). Putting is average (1.9/hole). It's frustrating because I have the potential to be a single digit handicapper, but I just can't seem to put an entire round together. For example, last round I was +1 through 5 holes but ended with a 90. I've also had multiple rounds where I'll drop 5-9 strokes on the back. Going 49-40 or 47-42 is a regular occurrence. (I swear I warm up). I read yesterday that PGA Tour guys are up and down 70% of the time from 50 yrds and in. This is where I struggle and am working to improve. I can't claim to be up and down with that percentage until I'm on the green. Some of this goes back to expectations, which is being discussed in another current thread. The best players in the world have bad holes, just not many. Mid-level players have many more bad holes, and those bad holes are as much a part of their game as the good holes. Working on your game, improving your weaknesses, will decrease the number of those bad shots and bad holes. But expectations.....on the PGA Tour, scrambling from outside 30 yards, the average is around 30%, and the very best is 50%. When you move to the range of 10 to 20 yards, the average is around 65%, and the best is 77%. From inside 10 yards, 86% and 98%. Obviously from this, at any level, the best way to improve your scrambling is to miss closer to the green. Yes, improve your short game and putting skills, especially if its a personal weakness, but most people will get more benefit from improving their full swing. https://www.pgatour.com/stats/categories.RARG_INQ.html cnosil, cksurfdude, MaxEntropy and 1 other 4 Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. 82 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 This reminds me of a story of my first year playing golf. I joined our company golf league on Monday evenings. My best score all summer for 9 holes was 62. At the end of the summer they had a 3-club tournament. Since I couldn't hit any wood very well, I picked 5i, 9i, and putter. Shot 47. Sure, I could have eventually played bogey golf with those 3 clubs, but even though I would have achieved a goal, it would seem artificial to me because I wouldn't have done it playing the clubs I should be playing. Most people start playing golf by wanting to smash the ball as far as they can. It's fun. It's more fun when they find the ball. Hit one booming drive straightish, and they are hooked. To quote Herm Edwards... 14 clubs, 10 clubs, 2 clubs. Whatever it takes "to win the game." You can call it artificial if you want, but if by your own admission you played better with 3 clubs then you did with 14, don't you think there is a problem there? (See my previous post for the answer) PING Apologist #9 and Kenny B 2 Quote G400 Driver XR 4 Fairway 16.5° Fli-Hi Utility Iron - 21° G Series 5-9 irons SM7 46°, 50°, 54° & 58° Ghost Spider S putter Nexus Laser Rangefinder Garmin Approach S20 GPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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