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Here's my experience. I went from an Epic (standard) to Epic SZ and gained about 10 yds. When the SZ developed a crack, Callaway let me replace it with a Rogue Draw, which instantly seemed to come up much shorter, like 20 yds less on similar good hits. Very strange. 

Swapping the Rogue Draw for a Rogue SZ. I think the SZ low spin must just work better for my spin and other reviewers seem to get consistently more distance from the Rogue SZ than the Epic SZ. We'll see!

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Two months ago I switched form a Rouge to the new Ben Hogan driver as I needed to find more fairways.  The Rouge was longer if you hit dead center by at least 10 yards or more.  But dead center was my driving range drive...I also wanted to switch to a regular shaft which when I tried three different ones in the Rouge did not work for me...I was happy to give up some yardage with the Hogan driver but it works very well with a regular shaft for finding a place you can hit a second shot from.

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On 7/22/2019 at 8:43 PM, ole gray said:

The Rogue I tried was not my cup of tea either.  Something had to be wrong with it, maybe it got banged up during shipping but it was not good for me. Frankly I think the light weight shaft that came with it from Callaway Preowned was not a good fit for me.  I failed to go with an old standby shaft that I know works well with my swing. So I'm putting the failure on my ignorance with shaft/head relationships.   I knew right away from the first swing that something was terribly wrong. I tried it for a full round and it was not a good day. I pulled out my old Cally XR16 and BOOM, like a buzzard on fresh road kill I was all over it smashing solid drives again. 

UST Mamiya Recoil - 440-ES

https://www.ustmamiya.com/golf-shafts/brands/recoil/recoil-440-es-wood/

I've never tried a Tour Edge anything so this sounds like a fun driver.  I have two drivers that are nip & tuck as far as my choice goes.  My Cally XR16 & my Ping G400 Max are keepers.  Maybe I can put the perfect driver search to rest. 

I always like to read your thoughts on clubs.

We're both "seniors", and from what I can gather our games must be fairly similar. We both switched from the Steelhead irons to an even more distance friendly set, We both go from 3 to 5 (you're welcome, lol) with our hybrids.

I love my G400 Max, but I've had the itch for something different. I recently tried the original Epic (meh), then last month when they came on CPO the new Epic Flash. For some reason when I took it to the range, I could barely get it airborne. I never hit a driver so poorly as I did that one. I literally returned it within 2 hours of when it was delivered.

I swore after that I was sticking with my PING, at least until the '20 releases. Oh well, this morning I bought a 9* Rogue in Outlet condition (that's new, they just can't say it) for $206 on CPO. I've never hit a Rogue driver, have no idea how it'll compare to my 400 Max, but for the price, I just had to scratch that itch again. 😉

I'm trying to convince myself that since I like the Rogue 3 wood,  hybrids and irons, I'll love the driver also.... stay tuned.

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I always like to read your thoughts on clubs.
We're both "seniors", and from what I can gather our games must be fairly similar. We both switched from the Steelhead irons to an even more distance friendly set, We both go from 3 to 5 (you're welcome, lol) with our hybrids.
I love my G400 Max, but I've had the itch for something different. I recently tried the original Epic (meh), then last month when they came on CPO the new Epic Flash. For some reason when I took it to the range, I could barely get it airborne. I never hit a driver so poorly as I did that one. I literally returned it within 2 hours of when it was delivered.
I swore after that I was sticking with my PING, at least until the '20 releases. Oh well, this morning I bought a 9* Rogue in Outlet condition (that's new, they just can't say it) for $206 on CPO. I've never hit a Rogue driver, have no idea how it'll compare to my 400 Max, but for the price, I just had to scratch that itch again. 
I'm trying to convince myself that since I like the Rogue 3 wood,  hybrids and irons, I'll love the driver also.... stay tuned.


I hope you love it 🥰


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4 hours ago, Grand Stranded said:

I always like to read your thoughts on clubs.

We're both "seniors", and from what I can gather our games must be fairly similar. We both switched from the Steelhead irons to an even more distance friendly set, We both go from 3 to 5 (you're welcome, lol) with our hybrids.

I love my G400 Max, but I've had the itch for something different. I recently tried the original Epic (meh), then last month when they came on CPO the new Epic Flash. For some reason when I took it to the range, I could barely get it airborne. I never hit a driver so poorly as I did that one. I literally returned it within 2 hours of when it was delivered.

I swore after that I was sticking with my PING, at least until the '20 releases. Oh well, this morning I bought a 9* Rogue in Outlet condition (that's new, they just can't say it) for $206 on CPO. I've never hit a Rogue driver, have no idea how it'll compare to my 400 Max, but for the price, I just had to scratch that itch again. 😉

I'm trying to convince myself that since I like the Rogue 3 wood,  hybrids and irons, I'll love the driver also.... stay tuned.

I played Cobra prior to Ping G400 Max. I still have my Max, however, this year after a new fitting I'm playing the Rogue and it's the best, most consistent driver head and shaft combo I've ever had. Hopefully you'll enjoy it as much as I am. Cheers !

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18 minutes ago, ward said:

I played Cobra prior to Ping G400 Max. I still have my Max, however, this year after a new fitting I'm playing the Rogue and it's the best, most consistent driver head and shaft combo I've ever had. Hopefully you'll enjoy it as much as I am. Cheers !

Thanks! I'm going to hold onto my PING Max also. It's been great for me.

 

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Thanks! I'm going to hold onto my PING Max also. It's been great for me.

 

You'd better not try the new 410 otherwise you'll be quickly parting with even more cash.

 

I had a GBB that was ok but the 410 that I tested....well my only reaction was.........OMG!

 

 

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15 hours ago, Grand Stranded said:

Thanks! I'm going to hold onto my PING Max also. It's been great for me.

 

When you're ready to move on to something even better than the G400 Max---hard to believe I know---reach out to me, I've got a G410 SFT 10.5 that I will be putting up sometime soon for a very good price. 

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This is an interesting conversation - glad I popped in -

There is a very different theory in COG placement between Callaway and Ping - for that reason I would expect exactly what I'm reading here - Guys who hit Ping drivers well off the rack are not likely to have similar results from Callaway off the rack - a good fitting could take care of that if for some reason you really wanted to game Callaway or vis a versa.

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12 hours ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

When you're ready to move on to something even better than the G400 Max---hard to believe I know---reach out to me, I've got a G410 SFT 10.5 that I will be putting up sometime soon for a very good price. 

I think I remember you saying you work in a golf shop.

I was told a couple of years ago to go with a 9* and loft up, rather then a 10.5* with my driver.

I know I come over the top, so maybe that had something to do with his reasoning, but if I rember correctly it helped bring the spin down to a number the fitter liked more for me.

Does this make sense to you? Even though I think driver (and putter) is the best club in my bag, I often wonder why I'm playing a 9 and most players go with the 10.5...

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On 9/29/2019 at 8:49 PM, tony@CIC said:

You'd better not try the new 410 otherwise you'll be quickly parting with even more cash.

 

I had a GBB that was ok but the 410 that I tested....well my only reaction was.........OMG!

 

 

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That's the club I'm afraid to try, lol.

I love the 400, I just thought it would be fun to screw around with something different. I seem to get along well with the Rogue line of clubs, so I figured for $200,(actually 120 when I trade in the 5W I never use) why not give this a try?

Worst case scenario, the 400 and the Rogue could be used for trade toward a 410 when the price comes down, LOL.

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11 hours ago, revkev said:

This is an interesting conversation - glad I popped in -

There is a very different theory in COG placement between Callaway and Ping - for that reason I would expect exactly what I'm reading here - Guys who hit Ping drivers well off the rack are not likely to have similar results from Callaway off the rack - a good fitting could take care of that if for some reason you really wanted to game Callaway or vis a versa.

This is something I've heard before. Yet the two drivers I've hit the best the last few years and actually the only two I've really had in the "money game" bag, were the GBB Bertha, and the G400 Max. So I guess I'm the outlier with that.

I couldn't get anything out of the G30 and the G when I tested them, but striped the GBB with the Kuro Kage stock shaft. 

Hated the Epic, but all my buddies were killing it, so I kept it 89 days into the 90 day playability. I got lucky the 400 Max was out less then a week, I loved it, and it was $100 cheaper then the Epic.

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Hmmm

So I’ve had the Rogue for two weeks now. It’s a good driver, and I’m going to keep it as a backup like I planned. I wasn’t blown away by it though, I still prefer my G400 Max.

Where the PING was point and shoot from day one in the 9* setting, I had to fiddle a bit with the Rogue. I found it works well at 10*(+1) and the Draw setting. I don’t know why but I’m just not a fan of the Callaway drivers since they went to  the Jailbreak technology. The face feels dead to me. I know most people like it, but I’ve tried the Epic, the Flash, and although I like the Rogue the best of the three, I’d never have paid more then the $200 I did for it. At that price, it will be in my backup/travel bag as I said earlier.

All in all, its not the worst golf purchase I’ve ever made. I got what I wanted to fill out that second bag, and I finally realized that jailbreak isn’t a game changer for me.

I’m learning what I like in golf clubs. PING drivers work fit me very well. I’m the guy who loves hybrids, and I like a forgiving distance iron. I like Cleveland wedges, and a mallet style putter. The 3 wood will never be my favorite club, but as long as I’m smart about when to use it, it can help me more than hurt me.

Now it’s time to get this damn handicap into single digits, lol.

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On 9/30/2019 at 9:42 AM, revkev said:

This is an interesting conversation - glad I popped in -

There is a very different theory in COG placement between Callaway and Ping - for that reason I would expect exactly what I'm reading here - Guys who hit Ping drivers well off the rack are not likely to have similar results from Callaway off the rack - a good fitting could take care of that if for some reason you really wanted to game Callaway or vis a versa.

Do you know why, I’m curious?

After trying several other brands/models, I went to PGA Superstore fully intending to buy a Ping G400 last year, but thought I’d try the Rogue to be sure. I’d never owned a Ping or a Callaway wood/metal, so no recency bias.  When I hit them side by side, to my surprise (dismay?) I hit the Rogue a little further and I liked the sound and feel better. So I bought the Callaway Rogue. Feel (partly sound) is high on my list for any club I buy.

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4 hours ago, Middler said:

Do you know why, I’m curious?

After trying several other brands/models, I went to PGA Superstore fully intending to buy a Ping G400 last year, but thought I’d try the Rogue to be sure. I’d never owned a Ping or a Callaway wood/metal, so no recency bias.  When I hit them side by side, to my surprise (dismay?) I hit the Rogue a little further and I liked the sound and feel better. So I bought the Callaway Rogue. Feel (partly sound) is high on my list for any club I buy.

That’s funny isn’t it?

I hope you saw my post right above yours. Two players of just about the same ability trying the same two clubs. Each one liking/hitting a different one better both feel and performance wise.

It’s such a crazy game, lol.

 

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The whole problem with "off the shelf" drivers is they're built for the masses and only a few of us match that spec. I have never found a driver I couldn't hit well, once it had the proper shaft, weight and balence.

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