2018 Official Forum Member Review - Arccos 360 w/ Caddie 2.0

[Alf. S 626]

I was one of the original reviewers for My Golf Spy for Arccos 360 and it is almost a year since I started using it as part of the original review. In this time, I have played/recorded 112 rounds all over Europe. I thought I would give an update on my experience.  

In my original review I broke down the functionality down into 4 area. 

1. GPS 2.0 = Rangefinder 

2. Automatic Shot Tracking = Recording of on course shot data 

3. Caddie 2.0 = On-course advice on club selection and strategy 

4. Tour Analytics = Data tools to tracking, analyse and compare your game against similar golfers 

Rangefinder 

When I first started using Arccos, if I over or under clubbed I put it down to my strike. Then I started using the set the flag position, I noticed that the green map and the position of the flag on the map was all over the place.  In some cases if the flag was close to the edge of the green it wouldn’t recognise you were even on the green. As you will be aware Arccos relies on your phone for positioning so I googled “iphone gps accuracy”. Apple don’t specify the performance but other sites quote anything from 3 – 10 yards. 

My original conclusion as a rangefinder was that it performed adequately but doesn't differentiate in the market. I would change this to I would not recommend it to be used in this mode and would recommend using a dedicated Golf GPS or Laser. You ever wonder why it takes a dedicated Golf GPS about 5 minutes to start up and find the course, it is locating multiple satellites (not just 3) to increase accuracy of the positioning data.  

 

 Automatic Shot Tracking 

I’m going to change this to shot tracking. My original Stage 2 quoted it misses or falsely records 5-10 shots a round and in particular putts, my experience over the year backs this up. When I was using Arccos during the review stage I was focused on my clubbing distances, driving distance and not in particular putting stats and approach accuracy, in order to get accurate data for these you have to record the pin position. To do this you can no longer just leave the phone in your pocket you have to fish it out and manually add or use Siri.  

During the review period I said that I didn’t want to be fiddling with my phone during the round due to the distraction now I was setting the pin positions and since I had it out my pocket checking on my recorded score.  

Caddie 2.0 

My views on Caddie 2.0 have not changed, it is a nice feature, but I found it a bit inaccurate in club selection to be relied upon, putting that to one side I have used it on courses that I am playing for the first time on holes with blind tee shots to give me a club and target area for the drive 

Tour Analytics 

My view on the Tour Analytics again haven’t changed for me is the main differentiator. If you are willing to look past the Shot Tracking issues and edit your rounds, it is comprehensive and gives you easy to understand dashboards to highlight your game's deficiencies. You still have to put in the work to improve your game, but it points you in the right direction. 

In my stage 1 I said, the final acid test is will I continue to use Arccos 360 moving forward, will it replace any of my other technology on the course. For a GPS Rangefinder I'm now using a Skycaddie SX500 with a Nikon Coolshot laser. As for using Arccos 360 I’m taking a break from the technology and have recently taken all the sensors out of my clubs. This for me is a reset on my game I have been struggling this season and the on course fiddling with my phone is a distraction I can do without. Subconsciously I seemed to be focusing more on my Arccos stats than getting the ball round in the minimum shots. An example my putting stats were on the rise, I have a putt from the fringe. When I finish, I set flag and then look at the hole data, thought process; was that 3 putts or a chip and 2 putts? I’ll change the putt on the fringe to a chip that will make my stats better.  What I should be focused on is the fact that I made bogey or double. The result is that I have been doing too much on course analysis which has led to lack of concentration. 

Will I go back to Arccos? One of the reasons I started to use Arccos was to get a handle on my clubbing distances, I now have FlightScope MEVO which gives me a good idea on carry and I can use on the range extensively, in the short term the answer is no. 

 

[fozcycle 11,666]

Well, I have played the Arccos 360 and Cobra Connect and Caddie with my iWatch. I actually recently purchased the Series 3 iWatch so I could use the gps function with Arccos. Worked well for awhile. Lately I have not been very pleased. I can’t seem to get passed the 14th hole without my iWatch or iPhone locking up in the Arccos app. I either lose the entire round or I lose the analytics.


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[palvord 3,538]

1 hour ago, fozcycle said:

Well, I have played the Arccos 360 and Cobra Connect and Caddie with my iWatch. I actually recently purchased the Series 3 iWatch so I could use the gps function with Arccos. Worked well for awhile. Lately I have not been very pleased. I can’t seem to get passed the 14th hole without my iWatch or iPhone locking up in the Arccos app. I either lose the entire round or I lose the analytics.


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I don't have any experience playing a round with an iWatch. Over in the Cobra Connect Challenge, @robertson153 played a few rounds with his watch. Perhaps he can help you out with some potential trouble shooting.

I'm surprised to hear that the app locks up in the iPhone. I've never experienced anything like that. I have accidentally closed the Arccos app in the middle of a round, but when I open the app back up, it says "Continue Round" and I select Yes and keep moving forward. 

Maybe Arccos customer service can help you out. Whenever I have contacted them via email, they've been very helpful.

[Sturgeon 34]

I posted this question in another forum also. I have two set of clubs in different locations ( home and weekend / vacation). Can I buy two sets of arccos and analyse the results differently?

 

regards

Henning

[palvord 3,538]

1 hour ago, Sturgeon said:

I posted this question in another forum also. I have two set of clubs in different locations ( home and weekend / vacation). Can I buy two sets of arccos and analyse the results differently?

 

regards

Henning

Hhhhmmm.

I would think that this is possible, provided you have two different logins. I haven't been able to experiment with this, but logically it makes sense, because it is two different Arccos sets.

[jlukes 12,758]

26 minutes ago, palvord said:

Hhhhmmm.

I would think that this is possible, provided you have two different logins. I haven't been able to experiment with this, but logically it makes sense, because it is two different Arccos sets.

Yeah, you'd just need to create two accounts 

[Sturgeon 34]

Many thanks! I guess that will work. Already created an account a minute ago. Will see what happens after the pairings.

 

best

Henning

[sirchunksalot 8,773]

Many thanks! I guess that will work. Already created an account a minute ago. Will see what happens after the pairings.
 
best
Henning

You can pair as many clubs to a single account as Arccos has clubs listed on your account. I have two sets of irons paired currently for the Tommy Armour review, just have them named differently. One set is 5-GW and one is 4,10-14, 50 degree, and 54 degree. You could also pair some of them as hybrids or different woods. About the only issue I see is the putter. I don't know if you could maybe use it as the x designation.

I apologize for jumping in, but just wanted to let you know that there are options to not have to make a second account.

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[Dr Strangelove 231]

You can pair as many clubs to a single account as Arccos has clubs listed on your account. I have two sets of irons paired currently for the Tommy Armour review, just have them named differently. One set is 5-GW and one is 4,10-14, 50 degree, and 54 degree. You could also pair some of them as hybrids or different woods. About the only issue I see is the putter. I don't know if you could maybe use it as the x designation.

I apologize for jumping in, but just wanted to let you know that there are options to not have to make a second account.

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What does the math mean?



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[sirchunksalot 8,773]

I was using it to compare different irons, the first number is the iron and the second number is the yardage difference between sets.

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[Sturgeon 34]

Again, many thanks! I tried the two accounts solution. And it works. The Arccos account comes free since I bought the sensors. Seems to be the nicer way.

 

Best,

Henning

[fozcycle 11,666]

Decided not to 0lay with Arccos today, Shot 42/36:78......


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[StrokerAce 10,475]

In case anyone is looking, Arccos just released a new tool if you have a SuperStroke grip - 

https://www.arccosgolf.com/products/superstroke-putter-accessory

 

[jlukes 12,758]

14 minutes ago, GolfSpy Stroker said:

In case anyone is looking, Arccos just released a new tool if you have a SuperStroke grip - 

https://www.arccosgolf.com/products/superstroke-putter-accessory

 

Too little too late for me. 

Android app lacks features of iPhone aoo

Link delayed until next year 

Shot tracking not working or adding phantom shots. 

 

I love the idea of arccos, but the implementation isn't where I need it to be in order for it to be part of my golf game. It's simply far too intrusive 

[StrokerAce 10,475]

Sorry to hear that... noticed that you recently sold yours.  Hopefully there are some updates to the software soon.

 

[THEZIPR23 5,139]

It must have some serious issues on Android. I have been using it on iOS for over a year now and while it is a little bit of work, it is expected and for the most part has what I am looking for. 

[sirchunksalot 8,773]

In case anyone is looking, Arccos just released a new tool if you have a SuperStroke grip - 
https://www.arccosgolf.com/products/superstroke-putter-accessory
 

I think this is a great idea! I wish it had come out sooner as i regripped my putter with a SuperStroke a couple months ago and had to drill out the hole where the hex bit goes in order to screw it in. Oh well, the next grip I buy, I'll definitely be getting this.

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[HardcoreLooper 5,109]

On 9/23/2019 at 3:46 PM, THEZIPR23 said:

It must have some serious issues on Android. I have been using it on iOS for over a year now and while it is a little bit of work, it is expected and for the most part has what I am looking for. 

Android is definitely YMMV.  I didn't mind the lacking features, but the GPS accuracy issues and missed shots with my Moto G6 and G7 made it basically unusable.  I found an old iPhone 5s laying around the house, and it's my dedicated Arccos device now.  Much, much better.  Plus the 5s is a nice size for your pocket compared the surfboard that is my G7.  I've gone from missing an average of a shot a hole to missing one a round.  

I can live with that.

[palvord 3,538]

I do think that Arccos can really start gaining more market share if they spent time and money upgrading the experience for their Android users. It seems that the majority of complaints in the forum stem from Android users. I could be mistaken.

 

[StrokerAce 10,475]

Blows my mind that a tech company would concentrate on 1/4 of the market....