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10 minutes ago, silver & black said:

Derek Carr has been benched for the last two games of the season. I look for Brady to be a Raider next year. I'm not sure how to feel about that. 🤔

Don't forget the possibility of Aaron Rodgers or a First Round pick in the upcoming draft filling that potential void going forward..........   🤔

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20 minutes ago, silver & black said:

Derek Carr has been benched for the last two games of the season. I look for Brady to be a Raider next year. I'm not sure how to feel about that. 🤔

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1 hour ago, silver & black said:

Derek Carr has been benched for the last two games of the season. I look for Brady to be a Raider next year. I'm not sure how to feel about that. 🤔

 

... Brady is toast without an all pro offensive line. Not that he panics, but he is so immobile and defensive rush specialists are so good he needs a stable pocket to play well. He doesn't need to be Fields or Hurts. But Herberts/Mahomes/Burrows can at least move around in the pocket or escape throwing on the run. Brady can't.

... And Carr is a no mans land QB and so many teams have one. Too good to replace and not good enough to take a team to the next level. If it makes you feel any better, Carr would be a top 5 QB out of 50 starters in Chicago since Favre/Rogers started for GB. We Bears fans have suffered through so many really bad QB's. 

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... Brady is toast without an all pro offensive line. Not that he panics, but he is so immobile and defensive rush specialists are so good he needs a stable pocket to play well. He doesn't need to be Fields or Hurts. But Herberts/Mahomes/Burrows can at least move around in the pocket or escape throwing on the run. Brady can't.

... And Carr is a no mans land QB and so many teams have one. Too good to replace and not good enough to take a team to the next level. If it makes you feel any better, Carr would be a top 5 QB out of 50 starters in Chicago since Favre/Rogers started for GB. We Bears fans have suffered through so many really bad QB's. 

I hear you. Carr is exactly what you said he is. He has never been the same since he broke his leg in 2016 and then his back in 2017. He has played scared since then. I still look for Brady to be a Raider, in spite of the crappy O line. McDaniels will get what he wants. Brady was said to be coming to the Raiders earlier, but Gruden didn't want him.

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1 hour ago, rkj427 said:

Don't forget the possibility of Aaron Rodgers or a First Round pick in the upcoming draft filling that potential void going forward..........   🤔

I don't want Brady or Rodgers. There is no QB worth taking in the first round other than Bryce Young... IMO. The Raiders won't have a pick anywhere near taking him. I don't want Stroud.... Ohio State QB's never pan out in the NFL, and the Raiders won't be anywhere near to taking him either. If it isn't Brady, I can see Jimmy G coming to Vegas.

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5 hours ago, silver & black said:

Derek Carr has been benched for the last two games of the season. I look for Brady to be a Raider next year. I'm not sure how to feel about that. 🤔

I sure hope not

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Posted this in the "on this date" topic too............................

funny how time flies, only (1) playoff win since December 29, 1957

although under this new regime, they actually are starting to resemble a team

 

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On 12/28/2022 at 6:49 PM, chisag said:

 

... Brady is toast without an all pro offensive line. Not that he panics, but he is so immobile and defensive rush specialists are so good he needs a stable pocket to play well. He doesn't need to be Fields or Hurts. But Herberts/Mahomes/Burrows can at least move around in the pocket or escape throwing on the run. Brady can't.

... And Carr is a no mans land QB and so many teams have one. Too good to replace and not good enough to take a team to the next level. If it makes you feel any better, Carr would be a top 5 QB out of 50 starters in Chicago since Favre/Rogers started for GB. We Bears fans have suffered through so many really bad QB's. 

I always liked Jim McMahon.

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1 minute ago, GaDawg said:

I always liked Jim McMahon.

 

... Me too! He wasn't a great passer but a great leader and had the Jordan like drive to win. 

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8 hours ago, chisag said:

 

... Me too! He wasn't a great passer but a great leader and had the Jordan like drive to win. 

And irreverent personality.  Definitely his own man.

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Indeed, prayers for #3 and his family...🙏

Out of my mind thoughts on a Tuesday morning....

Chuck Hughes' death during a Lions game instantly came to mind after all these years. 

Was the hit to Damar's chest during the play the stimulus, it looked like a strong impact,  could it be a long-term, but undiagnosed, medical condition suddenly appearing on the field, or could his heart condition be related to a recent vaccine if he received an injection.  Or something else...tragic stuff.

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, MacTourney said:

 

Was the hit to Damar's chest during the play the stimulus, it looked like a strong impact,  could it be a long-term, but undiagnosed, medical condition suddenly appearing on the field, or could his heart condition be related to a recent vaccine if he received an injection.  Or something else...tragic stuff.

 

 

 

Was talking to my daughter, who is getting ready to start her last semester of nursing school so I guess it is a topic of discussion in her circles.  The speculation is that it was caused by the timing of the hot.   Essentially , the hit occurred during a specific point in the heart rhythm and caused it to stop beating.  

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1 hour ago, cnosil said:

Was talking to my daughter, who is getting ready to start her last semester of nursing school so I guess it is a topic of discussion in her circles.  The speculation is that it was caused by the timing of the hot.   Essentially , the hit occurred during a specific point in the heart rhythm and caused it to stop beating.  

Great news about nursing school, great profession! 

My first take was the hit too, it was a good thump.  Probably see it more in baseball with kids getting hit in the chest and having issues.  I think it's called commotio cordis, but that's only my coffee shop opinion.

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^^^ I have to believe football fans everywhere, regardless of who their home team may be, are pulling for Hamlin. It was horrifying to watch, I had to tune out as I couldn't watch/listen once it was obvious he wasn't getting up soon. After a short time I just couldn't listen to the commentators at a loss for words - though they handled themselves OK all considered - especially Booger, the first I heard to say 'no one cares about football for now, it's only about Damar' - EXACTLY. And I can't imagine what is was like for players on the field. Thoughts, prayers and whatever else to Damar and his family.

FWIW, I think it's in poor taste to speculate about cause, that's not what's important. YMMV

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5 hours ago, MacTourney said:

Indeed, prayers for #3 and his family...🙏

Out of my mind thoughts on a Tuesday morning....

Chuck Hughes' death during a Lions game instantly came to mind after all these years. 

Was the hit to Damar's chest during the play the stimulus, it looked like a strong impact,  could it be a long-term, but undiagnosed, medical condition suddenly appearing on the field, or could his heart condition be related to a recent vaccine if he received an injection.  Or something else...tragic stuff.

 

 

 

Possible commotio cordis from the impact. 

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^^^ I have to believe football fans everywhere, regardless of who their home team may be, are pulling for Hamlin. It was horrifying to watch, I had to tune out as I couldn't watch/listen once it was obvious he wasn't getting up soon - and I just couldn't listen to the commentators at a loss for words (though they handled themselves OK all considered - especially Booger, the first I heard to say 'no one cares about football for now,' it's only about Damar). And I can't imagine what is was like for players on the field. Thoughts, prayers and whatever else to Damar and his family.

I agree, the commentary was actually well done IMO. Didn't seem fake and honestly at times like they were thinking "why the hell are we even broadcasting this is ridiculous". Booger said it best, don't always love his takes on football but his words there were great

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38 minutes ago, Lacassem said:

I agree, the commentary was actually well done IMO. Didn't seem fake and honestly at times like they were thinking "why the hell are we even broadcasting this is ridiculous". Booger said it best, don't always love his takes on football but his words there were great

I agree, understandably none of them wanted to talk, and at the time I thought they should quit asking them to speculate on anything. But in retrospect, no one was prepared for something that serious, on what looked like an ordinary tackle. It's understandable no one knew what to do, and we were all hoping Damar would somehow get up and walk away or just wave at the crowd from a stretcher on the way out of the stadium. Again, it (understandably) took him a little while to take a position, but Booger handled it the best IMO.

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3 hours ago, cnosil said:

Was talking to my daughter, who is getting ready to start her last semester of nursing school so I guess it is a topic of discussion in her circles.  The speculation is that it was caused by the timing of the hot.   Essentially , the hit occurred during a specific point in the heart rhythm and caused it to stop beating.  

Some medical experts have said that commotio cordial which is what the timing of the his is speculated as is more likely to de seen in a kids baseball game than this his. They have said this is what cardiac arrest looks like.

None of the experts on the commotio cordis side and those on the cardia arrest side were actually there or in the hospital.

9 mins of cpr isn’t a good thing

we will need to see what tests of his heart show as commotio cordis doesn’t come from any mechanical damage to the heart or surrounding organs.

 

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3 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

We’ve known that for a while, what we don’t know is why? I’ve heard all the (pointless) speculation, which is uncalled for IMO, just don’t report until they actually know something definitive. I just hope he comes out do this somehow.

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27 minutes ago, Middler said:

We’ve known that for a while, what we don’t know is why? I’ve heard all the (pointless) speculation, which is uncalled for IMO, just don’t report until they actually know something definitive. I just hope he comes out do this somehow.

I don’t think it’s pointless, it’s always good to talk about things, but to avoid any political talk I will leave it at that. 

Here’s another example

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/former-jaguars-guard-garland-native-uche-nwaneri-dies-after-collapsing-at-wifes-home/4026513/

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14 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

I don’t think it’s pointless, it’s always good to talk about things, but to avoid any political talk I will leave it at that. 

Here’s another example

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/former-jaguars-guard-garland-native-uche-nwaneri-dies-after-collapsing-at-wifes-home/4026513/

Two completely different scenarios and not relevant comparisons.  

Damar suffered a cardiac arrest as a result of an electrical conduction issue.  The reason we know it was a cardiac arrest is he was resuscitated by AED.  Cardiac arrests are when your heart rhythm (EKG) is disrupted and knocked out of rhythm.  The funky QRS complexes we see on TV show are a visual representation of your electrical beat moving from the Atria (P waves) The Atrial / Ventricular junction (Junctional beat) to the Ventricles (Ventricular beat) and then into the Purkinje fibers...a shockable rhythm has to be either a ventricular fibrillation event or a pulseless ventricular tachycardia.  Since he was successfully shocked (twice) and was able to sustain a heartbeat, we can say with confidence that this was the underlying cause.  

Conversely, Uche suffered a heart attack which is a blood / distribution issue.  Heart attacks are caused by atherosclerotic or arteriosclerotic issues with blood vessels supplying oxygenated blood to the heart muscles.  He had an enlarged heart and that becomes a distribution issue for maintaining adequate tissue perfusion.

As a native WNY'er, avid Bills fan and EMS dork, this particular incident hits me.  My younger brother attended HS and played lacrosse with a fellow student who died as a result of commotio cordis event in the later 1990's and since that time there have been two additional fatalities caused by this traumatic phenomenon in the county where I live.  

Respectful speculation is OK because we are curious by nature.  Understanding something so unique and traumatic will only help us grow better and smarter together.

 

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2 hours ago, bens197 said:

Damar suffered a cardiac arrest as a result of an electrical conduction issue.  The reason we know it was a cardiac arrest is he was resuscitated by AED.  Cardiac arrests are when your heart rhythm (EKG) is disrupted and knocked out of rhythm.  The funky QRS complexes we see on TV show are a visual representation of your electrical beat moving from the Atria (P waves) The Atrial / Ventricular junction (Junctional beat) to the Ventricles (Ventricular beat) and then into the Purkinje fibers...a shockable rhythm has to be either a ventricular fibrillation event or a pulseless ventricular tachycardia.  Since he was successfully shocked (twice) and was able to sustain a heartbeat, we can say with confidence that this was the underlying cause. 

We don't have an "underlying cause" yet, we have a condition and symptoms. Can we just wait to find out while Damar is fighting for his life, maybe focus on him? It was a pretty ordinary tackle, like millions of others before. An underlying cause might be:

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Q: Can you tell us why Damar may have had a sudden cardiac arrest and why it occurred so quickly? What causes that?

Dr. Hammill: Clearly, I think he likely had an arrhythmia. And so if you look at other causes of sudden rhythm changes of the heart, that’s what they’re going to look into over these next few days and weeks. And that’s what we look into when somebody drops in our community because we want to make sure that they didn’t have an inheritable condition. Something like hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, or inherited rhythm condition like Long QT syndrome, or Arrhythmogenic, right ventricular dysplasia or these fancy words. And all they mean is that you’re susceptible to a sudden rhythm, change of your heart. Some of those can be hereditary. Some of them can be acquired, and I think that’s going to be a part of anything that goes on going forward.

 

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Just heard a report that #3 is down to only using 50% assisted oxygen instead of where he was upon admission at 100% use.     Good sign I would presume.

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3 hours ago, Middler said:

We don't have an "underlying cause" yet, we have a condition and symptoms. Can we just wait to find out while Damar is fighting for his life, maybe focus on him? It was a pretty ordinary tackle, like millions of others before. An underlying cause might be:

 

NFL Players undergo extensive physicals prior to and during each season and the care they receive is second to none.  

Underlying cardiac conditions would be discovered during EKG and blood work.  This has commotio cordis written all over it.

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23 minutes ago, bens197 said:

NFL Players undergo extensive physicals prior to and during each season and the care they receive is second to none.  

Underlying cardiac conditions would be discovered during EKG and blood work.  This has commotio cordis written all over it.

I know you're going to die on this hill so enjoy the view.  

I don’t doubt Commotio Cordis, I’m wondering if there isn’t a contributing factor. But I’d rather wait until the experts tell us versus armchair QB’s. That’s all I’m saying.

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