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On 9/17/2022 at 10:14 AM, Sluggo42 said:

Exactly, I’m taking Hawks plus 9, but in the straight up pickem, gotta go with the 9’ers

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4 hours ago, bens197 said:

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That’s enough from you this year…..that game was a damn clinic though Jease Louis 

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2 hours ago, Lacassem said:

That’s enough from you this year…..that game was a damn clinic though Jease Louis 

Hahaha. Reminiscent of the 2007 Pats. 
 

Last night was bonkers. 

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32 minutes ago, bens197 said:

Hahaha. Reminiscent of the 2007 Pats. 
 

Last night was bonkers. 

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Healthy is key at this point, talent and coaching is clearly there.

07’ patriots…..what could have been

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3 hours ago, Lacassem said:

Healthy is key at this point, talent and coaching is clearly there.

07’ patriots…..what could have been

I can still hear Keith Brooking crying about BB going for 2 while up by 100 against Dallas that year.

 

Well Keith…don’t like it?  Stop them…you’re a professional.

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I can still hear Keith Brooking crying about BB going for 2 while up by 100 against Dallas that year.

 

Well Keith…don’t like it?  Stop them…you’re a professional.

Words to live by I say, put up or shut up....going to be a tough pill to swallow trying to follow that with the patriots...

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Well Keith…don’t like it?  Stop them…you’re a professional.

 

... Recreational leagues, high school and even colleges can display some sportsmanship and not run up the score. Although once you put in 2nd or 3rd team players you can't ask them to not play at 100%. Blame the "warm up" games big schools schedule against weak opponents. But the NFL is a business and as you said these are professionals and you never want to take your foot off the gas. Sure you can run more with a 35 point lead late in the 4th qt although not a prerequisite but never slow down or take it easy on an opponent. 

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... Recreational leagues, high school and even colleges can display some sportsmanship and not run up the score. Although once you put in 2nd or 3rd team players you canner ask them to not play at 100%. Blame the "warm up" games big schools schedule against weak opponents. But the NFL is a business and as you said these are professionals and you never want to take your foot off the gas. Sure you can run more with a 35 point lead in the 4th qt although not a prerequisite but never slow down or take it easy on an opponent. 

Browns Jets last week is a perfect example.  Never underestimate your opponent.  

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So, as a die hard Raiders fan....... I have tried for many years to give Derek Carr the benefit of the doubt. There is absolutely no excuse for blowing a 20 point lead. He has arguably THE best WR in the game.... his buddy, no less. A top 3 TE and numerous other quality weapons at his disposal. I can no longer support him. He's a loser. He can not rally his steam. He shrinks under pressure. It's time to bench his a$$ and let another QB (Stidham) get a shot. Cut him loose next season and start over. I'm not at all impressed with McDaniels either.

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So, as a die hard Raiders fan....... I have tried for many years to give Derek Carr the benefit of the doubt. There is absolutely no excuse for blowing a 20 point lead. He has arguably THE best WR in the game.... his buddy, no less. A top 3 TE and numerous other quality weapons at his disposal. I can no longer support him. He's a loser. He can not rally his steam. He shrinks under pressure. It's time to bench his a$$ and let another QB (Stidham) get a shot. Cut him loose next season and start over. I'm not at all impressed with McDaniels either.

Seems to me that the defense should get most of the blame.

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So, as a die hard Raiders fan....... I have tried for many years to give Derek Carr the benefit of the doubt. There is absolutely no excuse for blowing a 20 point lead. He has arguably THE best WR in the game.... his buddy, no less. A top 3 TE and numerous other quality weapons at his disposal. I can no longer support him. He's a loser. He can not rally his steam. He shrinks under pressure. It's time to bench his a$$ and let another QB (Stidham) get a shot. Cut him loose next season and start over. I'm not at all impressed with McDaniels either.

 

... Tough situation to be in. You have a handful of franchise QB's then about 5 more that are almost franchise but can't seem to make it over that last hurdle. Carr and Cousins come to mind. The rest of the league struggles to find even a serviceable QB. The Bears have had 51 starters since the SB win while GB had Favre and Rogers. Most teams would be happy to have Carr until their team is good enough to win or at least compete for a SB and then that 2nd tier QB just isn't enough. That said, I am with you on McDaniels. 

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... Tough situation to be in. You have a handful of franchise QB's then about 5 more that are almost franchise but can't seem to make it over that last hurdle. Carr and Cousins come to mind. The rest of the league struggles to find even a serviceable QB. The Bears have had 51 starters since the SB win while GB had Favre and Rogers. Most teams would be happy to have Carr until their team is good enough to win or at least compete for a SB and then that 2nd tier QB just isn't enough. That said, I am with you on McDaniels. 

Derek Carr will be your Phillip Rivers.  Good enough to get you to 12-5 but don't get your hopes up on making it far in the playoffs.  

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11 minutes ago, bens197 said:

Derek Carr will be your Phillip Rivers.  Good enough to get you to 12-5 but don't get your hopes up on making it far in the playoffs.  

 

... Yup, that's why I said a tough situation. Finding a better QB than Carr is really very difficult but sticking with him won't get you far. Again watching 51 starters in Chicago most fans would LOVE to have Carr, but after 3 or so seasons they would be screaming for his replacement. I think many fans just don't understand how difficult it is to play let alone excel as a QB in the NFL. 

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... Yup, that's why I said a tough situation. Finding a better QB than Carr is really very difficult but sticking with him won't get you far. Again watching 51 starters in Chicago most fans would LOVE to have Carr, but after 3 or so seasons they would be screaming for his replacement. I think many fans just don't understand how difficult it is to play let alone excel as a QB in the NFL. 

Joe Namath was a member at the club where I worked in Florida.  We played several rounds together during the football off season and would naturally, talk football.

This was at the time when Buffalo was living with JP Losman and Trent Edwards.  Noticeably frustrated he said the same thing you mentioned Sam, that finding an elite QB was incredibly difficult.  

This was 2004-2006 when it was Brady and Manning and Big Ben as the elites.

The next tier of Eli, Palmer and McNabb were still great but not great enough where they wouldn't get the business from their fans every Monday morning.

32 teams and 10% have elite QB's.

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11 hours ago, bens197 said:

Derek Carr will be your Phillip Rivers.  Good enough to get you to 12-5 but don't get your hopes up on making it far in the playoffs.  

Trent Dilfer was the starting QB on a Superbowl winning team.  It is possible to build a SB winner with an elite defense but then your QB has to be smart enough that he can't lose it for you.  (see Denver in 2015 with Manning at QB)  I think the farther from elite that your defense is means your QB has to make up that difference.

 

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Trent Dilfer was the starting QB on a Superbowl winning team.  It is possible to build a SB winner with an elite defense but then your QB has to be smart enough that he can't lose it for you.  (see Denver in 2015 with Manning at QB)  I think the farther from elite that your defense is means your QB has to make up that difference.

 

I think that works in the past, but recently I think Stafford is about as weak as you can get a QB. Just can't shut down an offense like you used to with the rules enforced how they are now. It might still happen occasionally but much less frequently than in the past.

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I am inclined to agree.  It did help that Kerry Collins was the opposing QB.  @ejgaudetteis also correct that you still need an intelligent and capable QB.  

 

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... 85 Bears could have won with me at QB  🤣  with that suffocating defense. But as others have said the rules have changed to favor the offense. Emphisis this season on illegal contact after 5 yards and we have seen it called much more than in the past. The powers that be want offense and scoring to dominate so the QB becomes even more important now. 

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