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26 minutes ago, chisag said:

On The Horizon - becoming apparent

... Key word becoming, but if it isn't becoming apparent to you, you are wearing blinders. I have never seen anything like Mahomes. His poise and field awareness for a 2nd year QB is just off the charts. And he might be the most gifted pure passer I have ever seen. Looooong way to go but he is already in a category all by himself. 

Yep...the kid is good...real good with a big arm.... but he's got a ways to go before he reaches the upper echelon.

I remember people saying this same thing about Russell Wilson... also a great player with a strong arm.


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... LOL, yup typical Patriots blinders. Mahomes is already in the upper echelon. Only 2 QB's have thrown 50 TDs and 5,000 yds in a season. TWO! Manning in the HOF and Mahomes. And only 3 have thrown 50 TD passes in a season so you can add Brady to that list. That is the very definition of upper echelon. What makes it so remarkable is it was Mahomes first season as a starter. I have studied QB's ever since copying Eddie Lee Lebaron when I started playing the position in grade school. Mahomes is in a class all by himself and cannot be compared to anyone else. Enjoy your kool aid. 🤣


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36 minutes ago, chisag said:

... LOL, yup typical Patriots blinders. Mahomes is already in the upper echelon. Only 2 QB's have thrown 50 TDs and 5,000 yds in a season. TWO! Manning in the HOF and Mahomes. And only 3 have thrown 50 TD passes in a season so you can add Brady to that list. That is the very definition of upper echelon. What makes it so remarkable is it was Mahomes first season as a starter. I have studied QB's ever since copying Eddie Lee Lebaron when I started playing the position in grade school. Mahomes is in a class all by himself and cannot be compared to anyone else. Enjoy your kool aid. 🤣

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Let me know when he has a ring to back it up...

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The things Mahomes is capable of, just from a purely athletic standpoint, are outrageous. What he's doing is akin to what Steph Curry has done to the NBA.

While I can't boast the same resume when it comes to analysing football players, what I've seen from Mahomes, I've never seen from anyone on the football field.

His ability to make throws from any arm slot, any body position, even while looking and/or moving in a completely different direction with the level of precision that he does is simply ridiculous. It shouldn't be possible, and yet he's doing it.

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12 minutes ago, GolfSpy Stroker said:

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Let me know when he has a ring to back it up...



... LOL if you lived in Chicago you would have a mustache with aviator sun glasses and be comparing everyone to the '85 "Da Bearz". I already said Brady is the best at the moment. Mahomes does not have a short sleeved hoodie coach or a defense like Brady. But Andy Reid ain;t an idiot either so the future looks bright for KC fans. I would not trade Mack for any player in the NFL ... other than Mahomes. 

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2 hours ago, golfinnut said:

It's a battle to see who is the worst team in the NFL ... Redskins or Dolphins?  And they play each other in a few weeks too.  That should have the worst rating possibly ever with viewership.  LOL 

 

... Dont diss the Bengals and leave them out of this conversation! 😳

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...which makes Tom Brady not only the greatest QB ever but probably the greatest football player in history...


Anyone who can’t say he is the greatest is in denial. A Champion in two separate decades he’s the most consistently great QB to ever play.
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... I have said this before, but the starting QB at ECU in the early 70's played for the Giants. He asked me how much harder I thought it was to play college QB compared to high school and I said 10 times harder and he agreed. Then he asked me how much harder from college to the NFL? I figured twice as hard and said 20 times? He said no, 100 times harder. Throws you have made successfully your entire life are now picked off. CB's actually bait you into making throws that look open but they can turn their hips quickly and close so fast they either knock it down or pick it off. Then you start to hesitate and once you start doing that you are done. You cannot play the position at the highest level with ANY hesitancy or you will be sacked or have your open WR's windows close. And that doesn't even take into account shifting defenses that are hard to read because they change at the snap. 2 LB's or a CB lined up in a blitz that drop into coverage. I think this is the reason you see so many good college QB's fail at the next level.

... It takes strong and mentally tough player to overcome the learning curve and maintain their confidence. Perfect example is Blaine Gabbert. Coming out of college I thought he was as close to a can't miss as possible without being a Manning or Luck. But he started getting picked and begin to hesitate and then just got killed in the pocket holding the ball too long. You could see his confidence slowly but surely eroding til he looked nothing like the bold college QB with a lightening quick release and fast decision maker. 


I’ll name drop just because the point of an Internet forum is to offer a thorough discussion on the topic.

When I worked as a club pro, Joe Namath was a very active member and played every day in the summer.

Once we broke down the walls, we had some great conversations. Now, keep in kind, great conversation meant the young 25 year old just sat back, shut up and listened to the living legend offer insight on the game of football. We played a bunch of golf and some of my favorite memories are him telling stories. Anyone who’s ever seen or met him knows he loves to tell stories and make people smile.

One of the most consistent things he mentioned was how difficult it was for a team to find a top tier QB. It is the single most difficult position to secure and after watching teams fail at the draft, it really becomes a test of luck.
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A video went up on Sunday, not sure who else saw it, where Deshaun Watson broke down the coverages that Carolina was playing for a reporter during his post-game presser and apart from being a fantastic soundbite, it really just spoke to how hard it is to play QB in the NFL.

 

If you've not watched it, here's a link. Definitely worth giving it a watch. https://deadspin.com/i-love-everything-about-this-deshaun-watson-exchange-wi-1838628509

 

He expanded on it today as well saying he'd love to see guys like Brady and Brees doing stuff like that and I'd definitely agree with him.

 

What I really enjoyed about it is that it's really demonstrating just how much the current analysts are dumbing it down for us.

 

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A video went up on Sunday, not sure who else saw it, where Deshaun Watson broke down the coverages that Carolina was playing for a reporter during his post-game presser and apart from being a fantastic soundbite, it really just spoke to how hard it is to play QB in the NFL.
 
If you've not watched it, here's a link. Definitely worth giving it a watch. https://deadspin.com/i-love-everything-about-this-deshaun-watson-exchange-wi-1838628509
 
He expanded on it today as well saying he'd love to see guys like Brady and Brees doing stuff like that and I'd definitely agree with him.
 
What I really enjoyed about it is that it's really demonstrating just how much the current analysts are dumbing it down for us.
 
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I want more of this. I also want more guys like Tony Romo calling games and predicting plays. I want broadcasters who speak to fans like adults without spoon-feeding trivia and over analyzing every play.

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19 hours ago, chisag said:



... LOL if you lived in Chicago you would have a mustache with aviator sun glasses and be comparing everyone to the '85 "Da Bearz". I already said Brady is the best at the moment. Mahomes does not have a short sleeved hoodie coach or a defense like Brady. But Andy Reid ain;t an idiot either so the future looks bright for KC fans. I would not trade Mack for any player in the NFL ... other than Mahomes. 

you do realize that the Patriots won the SB last year, right?  I mean I'm not holding on to the "old glory days" like a lot of the Bears fans.

Good take on Russell Wilson here ... best franchise QB in the league?  
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nfl/remember-russell-wilson-and-the-seahawks-theyre-back-and-he-might-be-better/2019/10/04/4a23e502-e692-11e9-a331-2df12d56a80b_story.html

BTW - if you've seen Reid's late game clock management you might question your opinion on whether he's an idiot.
 


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4 minutes ago, GolfSpy Stroker said:

you do realize that the Patriots won the SB last year, right?  I mean I'm not holding on to the "old glory days" like a lot of the Bears fans.

Good take on Russell Wilson here ... best franchise QB in the league?  
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nfl/remember-russell-wilson-and-the-seahawks-theyre-back-and-he-might-be-better/2019/10/04/4a23e502-e692-11e9-a331-2df12d56a80b_story.html

BTW - if you've seen Reid's late game clock management you might question your opinion on whether he's an idiot.
 

 

.... In the words of Jim Croce:

You don't tug on Superman's cape

You don't spit into the wind

You don't lift the mask off that old Lone Ranger and

You don't argue with a Patriots fan about who is the best ever...
 
 

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Seahawks played a great game last night, it is very clear the Legion of Boom is a thing of the past. But like I said yesterday the only area that really concerns me is the secondary. On display last night was one of the best passers in the league. DangeRuss did things very few can do, both from the pocket and improvising. As well as possibly the Best line backing trio in the NFL, who played amazing also..

Yes, Patrick Mahomes is great. Doing things very few can do. But this is year 2 ( as a starter) , not year 8, or 10, or 14, or 18.. So let's not Anoint him just quite yet. Let's see how he holds up over the long haul..

 

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4 minutes ago, Reesedw said:

Seahawks played a great game last night, it is very clear the Legion of Boom is a thing of the past. But like I said yesterday the only area that really concerns me is the secondary. On display last night was one of the best passers in the league. DangeRuss did things very few can do, both from the pocket and improvising. As well as possibly the Best line backing trio in the NFL, who played amazing also..

Yes, Patrick Mahomes is great. Doing things very few can do. But this is year 2 ( as a starter) , not year 8, or 10, or 14, or 18.. So let's not Anoint him just quite yet. Let's see how he holds up over the long haul..

 

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Great and exciting game (for once) on a Thursday night!
Carson was running like a man possessed.  Can't believe that 3rd down play where they tried to get tricky and used an option and pitched it to Lockett.  Should have just given it to CC and let him bulldoze ahead...but Carroll has a history of trying to get "tricky" when you should just run the ball (SB, anyone?).

The 'hawks better learn how to cover TE though.... once teams find a weakness they attack it relentlessly.

Also - hate to say it - but they got pretty lucky.... Zuerlein makes that kick 8.5 times out of 10.

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21 minutes ago, Reesedw said:

Yes, Patrick Mahomes is great. Doing things very few can do. But this is year 2 ( as a starter) , not year 8, or 10, or 14, or 18.. So let's not Anoint him just quite yet. Let's see how he holds up over the long haul..

 

... Not sure why you guys don't recognize Mahomes has ALREADY done things not a "very few" but only Manning and Brady have accomplished, both HOF QB's and arguably the best best to play the position. And I would make the opposite argument, it was his first year so he didn't need 8 or 10 or more to accomplish something only 2 QBs in the history of the NFL have been able to do. 

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6 minutes ago, FrogginBullfish said:

Mahomes is currently the best QB in the league. That shouldn't be up for debate.

Brady is the best QB to play in the history of the game. That also shouldn't be up for debate.

 

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16 minutes ago, chisag said:

 

... Not sure why you guys don't recognize Mahomes has ALREADY done things not a "very few" but only Manning and Brady have accomplished, both HOF QB's and arguably the best best to play the position. And I would make the opposite argument, it was his first year so he didn't need 8 or 10 or more to accomplish something only 2 QBs in the history of the NFL have been able to do. 

I agree 100%, All I am saying is he is in year 2 lets not make him a hall of famer yet. Cam Newton also did things most cannot do and his inability to stay healthy might be his downfall. All I am saying is let's see what happens in the next 3-5 years. A lot can happen, and often does in the NFL.


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27 minutes ago, Reesedw said:

I agree 100%, All I am saying is he is in year 2 lets not make him a hall of famer yet. Cam Newton also did things most cannot do and his inability to stay healthy might be his downfall. All I am saying is let's see what happens in the next 3-5 years. A lot can happen, and often does in the NFL.


... I agree with that. But just keep in mind I am in Chicago, a quarterback starved city and have had to watch Favre and Rodgers destroy the Bears for over 20 years while 50 starting QB's marched thru the line ups. Cutler was the only legit NFL passer the Bears in all that time and I had such high hopes for him having followed his career from Vandy to Denver. But of course he was not a leader which is essential in the NFL. Trubisky shows promise but knowing the Bears could have had Mahomes will always sting. But no hard feelings and I love watching him play more than any other QB in my lifetime. 

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6 hours ago, Reesedw said:

Seahawks played a great game last night, it is very clear the Legion of Boom is a thing of the past. But like I said yesterday the only area that really concerns me is the secondary. On display last night was one of the best passers in the league. DangeRuss did things very few can do, both from the pocket and improvising. As well as possibly the Best line backing trio in the NFL, who played amazing also..

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What a catch!!

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