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2 hours ago, GSwag said:

Yeah, I get it, you play the hand that you are dealt, and New England was genius at exploiting the 3 worst franchises in NFL history over the last 20 years.  But frankly, the NFL should have stepped in 10 years ago with the competition committee and realigned the divisions, or changed the scheduling rotation or something, to make sure that no team can do what the Patriots have done.  Anyone who is honest will admit that what the Patriots have done for the past 20 years is not good for the league in general.  It's the same thing with Belichick taping opponents practices and other such nonsense.  If you have to cheat to win it diminishes your legacy and ultimately your place in the history of the sport.

That old nonsense again. A weak division didn’t help them win 9 AFC championships and 6 Super Bowls in the Brady-Belicheck era - period. The good news is the Pats dynasty is over so haters will have to find something else to whine about, while conveniently overlooking every other incident of cheating in the NFL. Of course the media isn’t going to give time to losing teams cheating, what’s the point?

Saints and Seahawks advance today. Lots of great games to watch in the weeks ahead, looking forward to it!

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41 minutes ago, bens197 said:

Who do you guys like for today?

 

NO -8 against a Minnesota at home. Who knows which Cousins will show up.

 

Seattle @ Philly at a PK.

 

I would love to see Seattle go far this year and I’ll go for the dog in the Vikings game even though NO is playing some unreal football.

 

 

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I gotta go with NO and Seattle. I just don’t think the Eagles can keep up with Seattle even though both teams were struggling to the finish. And I think NO should be playing in the NFC championship (and maybe the SB) so I don’t think a Kirk Cousins led Vikings team can slow them down too much. We’ll see though, if it’s anything like yesterday, should be a fun day of football. 

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I used to attend Patriots games back when they played in Boston, Fenway Park to be precise, and tickets were seven dollars. I was in college and even I could afford seven bucks in 1960s money.

Most of the years were lean.
The past twenty have been magnificent.
But last night, I sat through that great era coming to an end.

Tom Brady, at 42, says that it's "unlikely" that he will retire.
He has a beautiful family, and he's all set financially.
I don't know why he'd risk catastrophic injury just to prove publicly that he can't play anymore.

He's the greatest quarterback who ever lived. He's the GOAT (greatest of all time). He shouldn't ruin his legacy due to hubris and greed.

Your fans love you, Tommy. Retire now, please.

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6 minutes ago, NiftyNiblick said:

I used to attend Patriots games back when they played in Boston, Fenway Park to be precise, and tickets were seven dollars. I was in college and even I could afford seven bucks in 1960s money.

Most of the years were lean.
The past twenty have been magnificent.
But last night, I sat through that great era coming to an end.

Tom Brady, at 42, says that it's "unlikely" that he will retire.
He has a beautiful family, and he's all set financially.
I don't know why he'd risk catastrophic injury just to prove publicly that he can't play anymore.

He's the greatest quarterback who ever lived. He's the GOAT (greatest of all time). He shouldn't ruin his legacy due to hubris and greed.

Your fans love you, Tommy. Retire now, please.

What would you rather? Another year of deteriorating play in New England or another year of deterioration wearing another jersey?

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1 minute ago, FrogginBullfish said:

Tom Brady was not the problem with the New England offense this year.

It's like it's only me and Tony Romo who are even remotely aware of this.

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No, most of us realize that, Frog...or is it Bull?

The offense was badly understaffed and the defense was over-rated based on an 8-0 record playing weak teams in the first half.

Gronk made every other receiver better by the attention that he got. And his blocking helped the running game a lot.

We don't have a really good wide-out.

Edelman was banged up, as was the O line.

We've been drafting late for two decades.

The O wasn't championship caliber.  12 wins in 17 was a good record for them.

Be that as it may, Brady isn't awful but he's not Brady.  He's showing his 42 years, and it's not just the age...it's the mileage.

 

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I gotta go with NO and Seattle. I just don’t think the Eagles can keep up with Seattle even though both teams were struggling to the finish. And I think NO should be playing in the NFC championship (and maybe the SB) so I don’t think a Kirk Cousins led Vikings team can slow them down too much. We’ll see though, if it’s anything like yesterday, should be a fun day of football. 


I’d love to Seattle go far and make a run. They seem to peak this time of year and really thrive during the playoffs.

As much as I’d like to see Minnesota play spoiler I am with you on your picks.

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1 hour ago, FrogginBullfish said:

Tom Brady was not the problem with the New England offense this year.

It's like it's only me and Tony Romo who are even remotely aware of this.
 

You aren't alone.  There is nothing wrong with Brady.  It's the fact that none of his receivers, except Edelman can create any separation from defenders.  And that's an easy ask for any defense.  Just eliminate Edelman and let someone else beat you.  No one else could.  And the Patriots haven't had a decent running game in years, so that's basically a non factor as well.  Without Gronk and Randy Moss, Brady might be better served throwing to himself.

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Their running game was actually really good last year. Michel is a solid back, but he struggled for big stretches this year without Develin at full back and the oft-injured offensive line didn't help things much either. The run game turned around a bit near the end of the year with Wynn's return and Roberts providing decent blocking out of the fullback position, but they've never had a back like Henry who can create on his own and Michel, nor White or Burkhead, are ever going to be that kind of back. Gronkowski's blocking out of the tight end position was also sorely missed.

You aren't alone.  There is nothing wrong with Brady.  It's the fact that none of his receivers, except Edelman can create any separation from defenders.  And that's an easy ask for any defense.  Just eliminate Edelman and let someone else beat you.  No one else could.  And the Patriots haven't had a decent running game in years, so that's basically a non factor as well.  Without Gronk and Randy Moss, Brady might be better served throwing to himself.


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You say you realize that but then you say he's not the same Brady anymore.His numbers this year were almost identical to the most recent two seasons in which the Pats offense was as poor as it was this year (2006, 2013) and they finished at 12-4 in all three of these years.

He actually had better numbers this year than he did in 2006 when he was throwing to guys like Reche Caldwell, Jabar Gaffney, and an aging Troy Brown. His numbers were on par this year to his numbers from 2013 when his top targets were Edelman, Danny Amendola, Aaron Dobson, and Kenbrell Thompkins -- Gronkowski was on IR that year.

There's just not enough evidence after this year to even remotely say Brady can't play QB at an elite level in this league with the right weapons surrounding him. Any struggles he showed this year are entirely related to the lack of help the rest of the offense offered him.

No, most of us realize that, Frog...or is it Bull?
The offense was badly understaffed and the defense was over-rated based on an 8-0 record playing weak teams in the first half.
Gronk made every other receiver better by the attention that he got. And his blocking helped the running game a lot.
We don't have a really good wide-out.
Edelman was banged up, as was the O line.
We've been drafting late for two decades.
The O wasn't championship caliber.  12 wins in 17 was a good record for them.
Be that as it may, Brady isn't awful but he's not Brady.  He's showing his 42 years, and it's not just the age...it's the mileage.
 


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That old nonsense again. A weak division didn’t help them win 9 AFC championships and 6 Super Bowls in the Brady-Belicheck era - period.

I'm not sure I understand how you think it had no bearing on their success? 

I'm not taking anything away from their accomplishments. I'm saying that the division they played in, more or less..... more, most of the time, allowed them six division wins almost every year. It allowed them home field advantage in the playoffs. It allowed them a first round by every year (I think) except this year. 

I agree that they beat the best to win their SB's, but you can't say the weak division had nothing to do with their #1 seading and home field advantage over the last 20 years.

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No one's saying they didn't benefit from a less than stellar division but it's nonsense to suggest that it's the only reason for their success, which some seem to be suggesting.

I posted this earlier in the year as a direct response to the same thing being said.

"People have been saying the Pats' reign is over every year since the 2014 season and they've only won 3 Super Bowls and been to 4 in that time.

Also, the idea that they've only been good over the Brady/Belichick era because of their division is just a flat out myth. In that timeframe, they have a better winning percentage against 4 other divisions than they do their own. Their winning percentages against the AFC and the NFC in that timeframe are practically identical.

Including the Patriots win totals, the AFC East also has the best win percentage for a division in that timeframe. Taking the Patriots wins out of the equation, yes, the AFC East has the lowest win percentage in that timeframe, but something interesting happens when you remove the division winner from every division and look at the win percentages then. The AFC East has the second best win percentage of any division in the league in that timeframe when looking solely at the performance of the 3 teams in each division that didn't win the division.

Going further and removing the best team from each division over that time period puts the AFC East as the 4th most winningest division in football in that timeframe. Far from the worst.

Here's the source: https://patriotsdynasty.info/blog/2019/01-02/myth-easy-afc-east-definitive-guide"

That old nonsense again. A weak division didn’t help them win 9 AFC championships and 6 Super Bowls in the Brady-Belicheck era - period.
I'm not sure I understand how you think it had no bearing on their success? 
I'm not taking anything away from their accomplishments. I'm saying that the division they played in, more or less..... more, most of the time, allowed them six division wins almost every year. It allowed them home field advantage in the playoffs. It allowed them a first round by every year (I think) except this year. 
I agree that they beat the best to win their SB's, but you can't say the weak division had nothing to do with their #1 seading and home field advantage over the last 20 years.


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Belichick lost at Hime in the playoffs to a team with Ryan Tannehill as the QB. All is now balanced in the universe.


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And the fact that Vrabel used the same penalty trick on Bill that he used against the Jets was priceless.


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And the fact that Vrabel used the same penalty trick on Bill that he used against the Jets was priceless.


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Nobody seems to remember that the N.Y. Football Giants used it against the Pats in Super Bowl 46.

It was a too many men on the field penalty. Not sure if Coughlin did it on purpose but to those of us paying attention, it was genius.

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Nobody seems to remember that the N.Y. Football Giants used it against the Pats in Super Bowl 46.

It was a too many men on the field penalty. Not sure if Coughlin did it on purpose but to those of us paying attention, it was genius.


I didn’t forget that but they weren’t up 33-0 and doing it just to be a pompous a$$.


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I didn’t forget that but they weren’t up 33-0 and doing it just to be a pompous a$$.


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People in general, not you...it was the first time I’d seen it and it was brilliant.

46 was Giants 21-17. That’s why it was so great.

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44 minutes ago, Jmikecpa said:

Belichick lost at Hime in the playoffs to a team with Ryan Tannehill as the QB. All is now balanced in the universe.


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Now it's all but certain Brady will stay for the 2020 season.

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Saints fans are going to have a whole nother postseason of living with a missed PI call...

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Some might call that Karma for bounty hunting.

Oh well.

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