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My apologies for length but please help if you are able!

 

Fitting process = 5 trips of PGA Superstore hitting several brands and styles.

I narrowed it down quickly to KING FORGED TEC BLACK with C-taper 115.

However upon my subsequent trips I began to tinker with and compare.

Turned out that the C-taper 120 provided superior results. Nothing else was close among any metric. Heavier I went the better. I just didn't want to go heavier than this.

 

So I then paid to get a professional fitting with trackman and balls flying through the air for me to get a real picture of what was happening - turns out fitter agreed

C-Taper 120 / ONE INCH SHORT  /  2 DEGREES FLAT was the ticket.

 

They just are not best for me - 

SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHERE I WENT WRONG ---- WHAT I MAY DO NEXT TO NEGATE THESE ISSUES IF SHORTER SHAFT IS BEST FOR ME.  Short guy / very long arms.

 

Think I simply chose the wrong shaft for me unless I'm really warmed up.

 

 

Thank you !!!!

WITB

Drivers: Cobra F9 w/Atmos

FW: Cleveland HiBore 3W

Hybrid: Titleist driving iron, Titleist hybrid

Irons: Ping Eye2 3-S & TA 845s 3-W

Wedge: Ping Glide 2.0 Stealth 56 ES s300

Putter: Ping Zing 2 33.75" , Anser 3

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When I custom order irons with extra length and mid size grips. I have learned (the hardway) to specifically ask that they be built to a D1 or D2 SW, they can do this by finding a heavier head.

 

While most OEM builders would know to account for the shorter shaft, they may not take it upon theirselves to "guess" that you want it that way, if you didn't request it.

 

 

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From my experience, the absolute last place to get irons custom built is direct with the OEM. On paper, they may well build to a set of measurements, but they simply do not have the time and attention to detail to build to what we call a "blueprinted" set - precision built to your exact requirements down to 1/10th of a swing weight point, within 2mm for length, 0.25 degrees for loft and lie and to within 1cpm of flex.

The OEM route is just assembly to within a defined tolerance - which is sometimes whatever they can be bothered to provide on the day. 

My advice would be to take the OEM out of the loop and stick to the professional club fitter/club builder for getting your irons on spec. I don't really know what your options are with Cobra, but it sounds like you may have to bite the bullet and sell them on.

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From my experience, the absolute last place to get irons custom built is direct with the OEM. ..........

My advice would be to take the OEM out of the loop and stick to the professional club fitter/club builder for getting your irons on spec. I don't really know what your options are with Cobra, but it sounds like you may have to bite the bullet and sell them on.

 

 

 

Maybe I order them stock with the discount and put money toward a proper setup after that.

Appreciate the input.

WITB

Drivers: Cobra F9 w/Atmos

FW: Cleveland HiBore 3W

Hybrid: Titleist driving iron, Titleist hybrid

Irons: Ping Eye2 3-S & TA 845s 3-W

Wedge: Ping Glide 2.0 Stealth 56 ES s300

Putter: Ping Zing 2 33.75" , Anser 3

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When I custom order irons with extra length and mid size grips. I have learned (the hardway) to specifically ask that they be built to a D1 or D2 SW, they can do this by finding a heavier head.

 

While most OEM builders would know to account for the shorter shaft, they may not take it upon theirselves to "guess" that you want it that way, if you didn't request it.

 

 

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Good info.  As for requesting - I thought I did when I asked would they get them to standard playability.  But they argue they did.  Hopefully the 2nd owner will like them more.

WITB

Drivers: Cobra F9 w/Atmos

FW: Cleveland HiBore 3W

Hybrid: Titleist driving iron, Titleist hybrid

Irons: Ping Eye2 3-S & TA 845s 3-W

Wedge: Ping Glide 2.0 Stealth 56 ES s300

Putter: Ping Zing 2 33.75" , Anser 3

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Good info. As for requesting - I thought I did when I asked would they get them to standard playability. But they argue they did. Hopefully the 2nd owner will like them more.

Standard playability is a very vague term. What you may play as your standard could be very far off from mine. Have you taken them to a builder and seen what the swing weights are? That could be why it feels like swinging a tree trunk.

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My advice is to order through a club builder.

The builder will fix swing weights, lengths, and lie angle.

Generally when ordered from an OEM they are built to "tolerances". This means if they are off by a swing wieght or half an inch or a degree or two, they are fine and "within tolerances".

 

If your order from a good builder, they will build them specifically to your specs, not "within tolerances". They will be exactly what your fitting said you required.

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Mizuno is the only company I will order custom through.

 

Ping is a joke. As in, if I described giving measurements to the last sales rep or club rep that I had to talk to at Ping many of us would laugh our ass off

 

 

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Custom builder is the way to go. There are a lot of them out here. Visit the facility and see what they can do for you. Most custom shops have shafts at different lengths for you to try on different club heads. This guarantees you the same feel of the club you buy as the club you hit.

 

Wish you luck

 

 

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I know a great independent club builder that has done a lot of work for myself and others I know. The quality is amazing and his prices are unbelievably good. And he'll talk to you over phone and email and make sure everything is exactly how you want it. He could rebuild or at least redo the clubs to set the proper swing weight and such for you.

 

If you're interested, send me a PM and I'll get you his info.

 

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Thanks for the replies.  Good information to ponder....

 

This is perplexing nonetheless .............I get a steep discount with one company and thus feel it wise to use them.

 

I gather from the comments that unless I can tell them to the nth degree exactly what I want then, I will eat up the savings in expenditures to get them right - after the fact.

 

Wondering if the discount standard length/lie with correct shaft choice is a starting point and then work with custom builder to make the proper adjustments. ??????

WITB

Drivers: Cobra F9 w/Atmos

FW: Cleveland HiBore 3W

Hybrid: Titleist driving iron, Titleist hybrid

Irons: Ping Eye2 3-S & TA 845s 3-W

Wedge: Ping Glide 2.0 Stealth 56 ES s300

Putter: Ping Zing 2 33.75" , Anser 3

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Mizuno is the only company I will order custom through.

 

Ping is a joke. As in, if I described giving measurements to the last sales rep or club rep that I had to talk to at Ping many of us would laugh our ass off

 

 

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That's surprising to hear. I guess it might be a local thing. Ping has a fitting center in Ontario and I hear nothing but rave reviews about this facility.

 

 

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Thanks for the replies. Good information to ponder....

 

This is perplexing nonetheless .............I get a steep discount with one company and thus feel it wise to use them.

 

I gather from the comments that unless I can tell them to the nth degree exactly what I want then, I will eat up the savings in expenditures to get them right - after the fact.

 

Wondering if the discount standard length/lie with correct shaft choice is a starting point and then work with custom builder to make the proper adjustments. ??????

That is an option but I think that would negate the discount. I would just get them custom built directly. That is the best way to get the clubs right. It may cost slightly more but this will eliminate headache and guarantee that you have everything fit right.

Wilson Staff C300 9.0* Fujikura Pro 58 stiff

Callaway Rogue 3W Mitsubishi Diamana D+ LTD 80 stiff

Mizuno MP-18 MMC FLI-HI 2 iron UST Mamiya Recoil 95 stiff

Ping I200's 4-W Aerotech Steelfiber I110 CW stiff

Ping Glide 52* and 58* stiff

Bettinardi Studio Stock #38 Armlock

 

 

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That's surprising to hear. I guess it might be a local thing. Ping has a fitting center in Ontario and I hear nothing but rave reviews about this facility.

 

 

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Yeah, I have heard nothing but good things about Ping's build quality. They are usually closest to specs of most OEM's.

Wilson Staff C300 9.0* Fujikura Pro 58 stiff

Callaway Rogue 3W Mitsubishi Diamana D+ LTD 80 stiff

Mizuno MP-18 MMC FLI-HI 2 iron UST Mamiya Recoil 95 stiff

Ping I200's 4-W Aerotech Steelfiber I110 CW stiff

Ping Glide 52* and 58* stiff

Bettinardi Studio Stock #38 Armlock

 

 

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Have you thought of taking them to a builder and seeing if they can be saved?

Driver:   :callaway-small: Epic 10.5 set to 9.5 w/ Tour AD-DI 44.5

FW:   :cobra-small: F6 baffler set at 16º

Hybrid:  NONE
Irons:   :taylormade-small:  3i 2014 TP CB  4-PW 2011 TP MC w/ TT S400

Wedges:   :nike-small: 52º :nike-small: 56º  :edel-golf-1: 60 º w/ KBS C-Taper XS Soft-stepped

Putter:   :ping-small: Sigma G Tyne 34 inches Gold dot

 

 

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I will just echo what has been said. Find an experienced club builder and take your set to them. You never know, ordering new shafts isn't that expensive of an option (if need be).

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Have you thought of taking them to a builder and seeing if they can be saved?

 

 

Coincidentally he is in Fort Worth .... probably the most recommended guy actually. Though I won't put his name out there.

WITB

Drivers: Cobra F9 w/Atmos

FW: Cleveland HiBore 3W

Hybrid: Titleist driving iron, Titleist hybrid

Irons: Ping Eye2 3-S & TA 845s 3-W

Wedge: Ping Glide 2.0 Stealth 56 ES s300

Putter: Ping Zing 2 33.75" , Anser 3

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The term CLUB BUILDER has shown up in most all of the comments, and I appreciate the feedback.

 

Could someone give an example of what they mean by that?

Is it the guy at GolfTEC, ClubChampion, CoolClubs or one of those???  Or do you mean something entirely different?  

WITB

Drivers: Cobra F9 w/Atmos

FW: Cleveland HiBore 3W

Hybrid: Titleist driving iron, Titleist hybrid

Irons: Ping Eye2 3-S & TA 845s 3-W

Wedge: Ping Glide 2.0 Stealth 56 ES s300

Putter: Ping Zing 2 33.75" , Anser 3

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It could be a guy at those places, yes. But usually those places are going to be more on the pricey side due to the name recognition and such.

 

The one I recommended has his own shop and builds as his business. These are going to usually have a little lower cost as they aren't paying for the big advertising and publicity... Along with high profile locations.

 

The term CLUB BUILDER has shown up in most all of the comments, and I appreciate the feedback.

 

Could someone give an example of what they mean by that?

Is it the guy at GolfTEC, ClubChampion, CoolClubs or one of those??? Or do you mean something entirely different?

 

 

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Fairway:   :ping-small: G400 (14.5*) with Diamana Kai'li X-stiff

Irons: :ping-small: Crossover 3 iron (19*) with TT Dynamic Gold 120 S400 shaft

            :titelist-small: AP3 (4/5) and AP2 (6-PW) with TT Dynamic Gold 120 S400 shafts

Wedges: Scor 50*, 54*, and 58* with TT Dynamic Gold 120 S400 shafts

Putter:  :cameron-small: Pro Platinum Newport 2 Midslant

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The term CLUB BUILDER has shown up in most all of the comments, and I appreciate the feedback.

 

Could someone give an example of what they mean by that?

Is it the guy at GolfTEC, ClubChampion, CoolClubs or one of those??? Or do you mean something entirely different?

It can be, yes, but I generally mean a small single person owned fitting businesses. They are cheaper and usually care more about their clients. Unlike Club Champion who pays for advertising, high priced buildings, name recognition, these people pretty much only charge for time and work not all of these other things that don't go into building a set of golf clubs.

Wilson Staff C300 9.0* Fujikura Pro 58 stiff

Callaway Rogue 3W Mitsubishi Diamana D+ LTD 80 stiff

Mizuno MP-18 MMC FLI-HI 2 iron UST Mamiya Recoil 95 stiff

Ping I200's 4-W Aerotech Steelfiber I110 CW stiff

Ping Glide 52* and 58* stiff

Bettinardi Studio Stock #38 Armlock

 

 

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