Filtr Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 We where at the course and the flag pin was laying on the green after removing it for chip shot what is the penalty if your ball hits it Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. 82 Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 2 strokes. Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy G400 Driver XR 4 Fairway 16.5° Fli-Hi Utility Iron - 21° G Series 5-9 irons SM7 46°, 50°, 54° & 58° Ghost Spider S putter Nexus Laser Rangefinder Garmin Approach S20 GPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin L Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Currently Rule 17-3 From Jan 2019 There will be generally no penalty for a moving ball hitting the flagstick. That includes when it is removed, [Rule 13.2 b (2)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perseveringgolfer Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Currently Rule 17-3 From Jan 2019 There will be generally no penalty for a moving ball hitting the flagstick. That includes when it is removed, [Rule 13.2 b (2)] seems open to abuse that rule. Driver Awaiting NEW Driver (after 10 yrs) 4 Wood Callaway Big Bertha Steelhead plus 4+ Callaway shaft in 'Firm' flex Hybrid Titleist 910H 19* Diamana ahina 'flower' shaft in 'S' Irons Mizuno MP18SC 4-PW N.S Pro Modus3 Tour 105 in 'S' Wedges Callaway Mack Daddy forged in black 50* and 54* KBS Tour in 'R' Putter 'YES' Tracy 11 C groove 34.5" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattF Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 seems open to abuse that rule. Absolutely...backstop anyone? In the bag: Driver: Darkspeed X 9° UST Mamiya LIN-Q M40X Blue 7F4 Fairway: Apex UW 19° & 21° Project X HZRDUS Smoke RDX Black 5.5 Irons: JPX 923 HMP 5-PW UST Mamiya Recoil 95 F4 Wedges: T-22 Denim Copper 48°, 52° & 56° UST Mamiya Recoil 95 F4 Putter Sycamore 005 Wide Blade Bag: Fairway 14 stand bag Balls: Chrome Tour Cart: CaddyLite ONE Ver. 8 God Bless America, God save the King, God defend New Zealand and thank Christ for Australia! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiftyNiblick Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 I thought that was normal strategy for downhill putts. Maybe it's just a northeast regional rule. It's a Dukes of Decrepitude TUES-THURS-FRI Morning Seniors League rule for certain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin L Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Absolutely...backstop anyone? I did say, as the 2019 Rule says, that it will generally not be a penalty. Leaving the flagstick in a position with the intention of assisting your play like that will penalised if your ball hits it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perseveringgolfer Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 I did say, as the 2019 Rule says, that it will generally not be a penalty. Leaving the flagstick in a position with the intention of assisting your play like that will penalised if your ball hits it. so a 'V' shape with 2 flag sticks directed into the hole would be a no no! ;) Driver Awaiting NEW Driver (after 10 yrs) 4 Wood Callaway Big Bertha Steelhead plus 4+ Callaway shaft in 'Firm' flex Hybrid Titleist 910H 19* Diamana ahina 'flower' shaft in 'S' Irons Mizuno MP18SC 4-PW N.S Pro Modus3 Tour 105 in 'S' Wedges Callaway Mack Daddy forged in black 50* and 54* KBS Tour in 'R' Putter 'YES' Tracy 11 C groove 34.5" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. 82 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 so a 'V' shape with 2 flag sticks directed into the hole would be a no no! ;) that's what the foot wedge is for. G400 Driver XR 4 Fairway 16.5° Fli-Hi Utility Iron - 21° G Series 5-9 irons SM7 46°, 50°, 54° & 58° Ghost Spider S putter Nexus Laser Rangefinder Garmin Approach S20 GPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB13 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 so a 'V' shape with 2 flag sticks directed into the hole would be a no no! ;) Well, for me the two shot penalty might be better than the 4 putt if they aren't there... Wilson Staff C300 9.0* Fujikura Pro 58 stiff Callaway Rogue 3W Mitsubishi Diamana D+ LTD 80 stiff Mizuno MP-18 MMC FLI-HI 2 iron UST Mamiya Recoil 95 stiff Ping I200's 4-W Aerotech Steelfiber I110 CW stiff Ping Glide 52* and 58* stiff Bettinardi Studio Stock #38 Armlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaussman1 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Currently Rule 17-3 From Jan 2019 There will be generally no penalty for a moving ball hitting the flagstick. That includes when it is removed, [Rule 13.2 b (2)] What's interesting is the March revision does not contain this 13.2 ( language about a flagstick removed, and only includes the language about no penalty for a ball on the green hitting a flagstick left in. It does mention elsewhere that anything purposely positioned beyond the hole to stop or deflect a ball will incur a penalty Rogue SZ 10.5 *NEW* Fujikura Pro Green 65 X Rogue 15 degree Evnflow Blue 6.5 Back in the Bag Z765 4-G Nippon Modus 120 Stiff 54 and 60 Amazing Grace Ass Kicker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPattGolf Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 I hate the new rule allowing the flagstick to remain in with no penalty so much.... It should have only been added a local rule that can be enacted on a tournament by tournament basis and should be completely barred from competitive tournament play * Staff Professional* Driver: Stealth Plus+ (7.25*) - Fujikura Ventus Black 6X Tipped 1" 3 Wood: Stealth Plus+ (14.25*) - Fujikura Ventus Blue 7x Tipped 1" Driving Iron: P790 UDI 2 iron - HZRDUS Smoke Black RDX 100 6.5 4 Iron: P790 - KBS C-Taper 130 X Irons (5-7) P7MC - KBS C-Taper 130 X Irons (8-P) P7MB - KBS C-Taper 130 X Wedges: MG3 Black 50.09 / 55.11 - KBS TOUR FLT 130 X 60* Wedge: High Toe Raw - KBS Tour 130 X Putter: Custom Black ER2 or Custom Black Del Monte Bag: FlexTech Stand Bag Glove: Tour Preferred Glove Ball: TP5X #11 RangeFinder: R1 Smart Rangefinder Instagram: @dpattgolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singerski Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 I hate the new rule allowing the flagstick to remain in with no penalty so much.... It should have only been added a local rule that can be enacted on a tournament by tournament basis and should be completely barred from competitive tournament play Curious as to why leaving the flag in the hole would bother anyone..always seems more likely to keep the ball out than knock it it Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy MPR Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Well, for me the two shot penalty might be better than the 4 putt if they aren't there...Phil Mickelson endorses this line of calculation... TS3 9.5°, Tensei Blue CBX T3 15°, Project X HZRDUS Black Epic Super Hybrid 18°, Aerotech Steel Fiber FC HYB S C722 21°, Ventus Blue 8S CBX Iron-Wood 25°, Project X HZRDUS Black 6.0 639 CB, Aldila NV 95 Graphite, 6–PW CBX 48° T22 54° and 60° EAS 4.0, Garsen G-Pro grip TP5x and Tour Response Full WITB with pictures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPattGolf Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Curious as to why leaving the flag in the hole would bother anyone..always seems more likely to keep the ball out than knock it it Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy That thought is basically an old wives tale. Its just as likely to go in when it has the pace necessary with to make it with the pin with a increased chance of making it when the pace is too fast. When you also take into account the pin slowing down a ball that is screaming across the green you are much more likely to finish with a lower amount of shots per hole with the pin allowed to remain in. * Staff Professional* Driver: Stealth Plus+ (7.25*) - Fujikura Ventus Black 6X Tipped 1" 3 Wood: Stealth Plus+ (14.25*) - Fujikura Ventus Blue 7x Tipped 1" Driving Iron: P790 UDI 2 iron - HZRDUS Smoke Black RDX 100 6.5 4 Iron: P790 - KBS C-Taper 130 X Irons (5-7) P7MC - KBS C-Taper 130 X Irons (8-P) P7MB - KBS C-Taper 130 X Wedges: MG3 Black 50.09 / 55.11 - KBS TOUR FLT 130 X 60* Wedge: High Toe Raw - KBS Tour 130 X Putter: Custom Black ER2 or Custom Black Del Monte Bag: FlexTech Stand Bag Glove: Tour Preferred Glove Ball: TP5X #11 RangeFinder: R1 Smart Rangefinder Instagram: @dpattgolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEZIPR23 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 The pin being left in is only going to benefit a bad shot. A good shot will not be affected. I agree DPatt, not in tournaments. Stealth 2+ 9 (Diamana PD 60 S 45") Stealth 2+ 15 (Diamana PD 70 S 43") G425 19 (Raijin 2.0 85x) G425 22 (Raijin 2.0 85x) ZX7 5-9 (KBS C Taper S) Vokey SM9 45 10 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 49 08 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 55 08 M (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 59 04 T (KBS 610) Spider GT Splitback 34" ProV1 #23 Twitter @THEZIPR23 "One thing Golf has taught me, is that my muscles have no memory." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singerski Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 The pin being left in is only going to benefit a bad shot. A good shot will not be affected. I agree DPatt, not in tournaments.So all those approach shots we see all the time hit the flags and bounce off and spin off the greens aren't being affected by hitting the pin? Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEZIPR23 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 So all those approach shots we see all the time hit the flags and bounce off and spin off the greens aren't being affected by hitting the pin? Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy The conversation is about chips and the rule change is in regards to putting while on the green. Not sure where you got to approach shots. And I haven't seen anyone take the flag out for an approach shot, unless you are Phil. Stealth 2+ 9 (Diamana PD 60 S 45") Stealth 2+ 15 (Diamana PD 70 S 43") G425 19 (Raijin 2.0 85x) G425 22 (Raijin 2.0 85x) ZX7 5-9 (KBS C Taper S) Vokey SM9 45 10 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 49 08 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 55 08 M (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 59 04 T (KBS 610) Spider GT Splitback 34" ProV1 #23 Twitter @THEZIPR23 "One thing Golf has taught me, is that my muscles have no memory." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singerski Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 The conversation is about chips and the rule change is in regards to putting while on the green. Not sure where you got to approach shots. And I haven't seen anyone take the flag out for an approach shot, unless you are Phil. Got there just in conveying that I don't think there is any benefit at all of having it in. I think the likelihood of the pin keeping a ball from dropping in is more than it stopping one going too hard and letting it drop in. Using the approach shot statement as an example - and will use even Hatton's crazy backspinner as an example in that I think if the pin wasn't there it would have dropped. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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