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Perfectly stated.  I use to play in a Boeing league and they were sticklers for rules; which was fine and I followed accordingly. When I play with friends in Yuma, we improve lies if their total crap, offer one mulligan per round off the tee, and do gimme putts inside a foot - unless it's for a "wolf" dime  :lol:.  These are older guys, who love the game but just not overly serious. One of the reasons I no longer maintain an official handicap is because I do not play in tournaments and because those I play with choose not to follow the rules to a 'T' and that's fine with me.

That is exactly how the groups I play with do it. No one is real serious and no longer plays comps or keeps an official handicap--- 95% of the time handicaps are total BS---- Liked the old matches where we made the game and if you liked it you played it--- If you did not then maybe you adjusted--- Most of the guys I play with in the "Mafia" bunch know each others game and if we have a guest out of towner playing then someone in the group knows his game. Besides it is only a $1 per hole team match  $1 birdies and a $20 max cap. Bear and the NY Boys we do not play for one thin dime we just play. The other bunch we call the East Boys play $1 team match Nassau and 0.25 birdies with a $5 max cap

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I'm going to "assume" that 99% of us have.... and will, in the future "fudge" the rules in casual, for fun/the hell of it, play. As long as no one posts the score for handicap purposes, or there is no wager involved... who gives a s**t???

 

Even the low single digit HC's among us are really not THAT good at this game. Competition play is another animal, as is money wagered. Other than that............. screw it!

 

No wonder so many people feel that golf is for the stuffy, upper echelon of society.... and I'd find that hard to argue against.

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Lifesavers...

 

Lol, never heard of that

It's funny

Old hustler trick along with Chapstick or Vaselene on the club face. Now in some gambling circles Vaselene was as accepted as long as it was part of the game. Not USGA legal but legal in gambling circles. Some of the banter setting up a match  "grease or no grease" Decision for a player on the course  "well do I hit a wet 5 iron here or a dry 4 iron?"--- With all the gamblers around the course I grew up at the old man sold it in the pro shop along with balls and tees. Around there it was considered "equipment" Honest Truth I NEVER used the stuff. I did hit a ball off a lifesaver once showing my wife that trick with a  driver out of the fairway. Speaking of tricks I can hit a persimmon driver off the top of a 12 oz soda can. Did that trick long before John Daly even picked up a golf club. I used to practice all those old hustler trick shots. Never have tried it with a modern metal driver though

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my last comments on this issues. First thanks for all the input, secondly, the one bud I play with, who complains about me not giving him the 'gimme' putts can out drive me by at least 50 yards or better. So if I give him the putt, should I ask for a commensurate 50 yards on my drive. No, the answer is that we all have our strengths and weaknesses. I don't mind the short relief from the tree root but my god why should someone expect a 'gimme' putt when putting is my strength, but not give my relief with driving, which is my weakness. Cheers

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Stu... I'm not sure that your vintage clubs are non-conforming unless there is a problem with groove spacing. I seem to remember that ALL clubs manufactured before 1984 had V-grooves and would conform to the 2010 rule. It was Ping who introduced the square grooves and put them closer together that started this whole mess.

 

Anyway, unless you play on Tour or in USGA-sanctioned events, the old square grooves are valid even for handicap purposes until 2024. Supposedly, at that time the USGA will consider if the rule is working out. It's a sore spot for me. Sure, let's change the grooves on wedges so that 99.9% of the golfing public will have a more difficult experience, just so that the top players don't get as much spin out of the rough {read sarcasm}.

I'll never forget Zac Johnson on playing with the Pros saying playing by the rules is brutal. If you're playing with your buddies make your own rules, have a few beers and make golf fun.

 

Regardless of how you like to play, just have fun.

 

 

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Do they REALLY? I obviously don't know exactly how your wife hit the ball back to the range, but that CAN be done without violating the rules.

Careful with this one. A flick and a full swing back are two different things. The rule states casual flick is ok but not a swing.

 

 

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I'm pretty relax when it comes to rules of the game. I often tell the beginners and high handicapper to take a practice swing in the bunkers and tee the ball up on the fairway.

 

On a certain courses that I know and know them well, I'd announced right off the bat that I'd be moving the ball if/when it rest under some trees because of the roots, and they are welcome to do so as well, there's no need breaking your wrist for that. If we are betting of course.

 

But when it comes to playing alone, I'm pretty strict and goes out of my way to count the painful penalty stroke(s), and have gone back to re-tee a few times.

 

 

 

Old hustler trick along with Chapstick or Vaselene on the club face. Now in some gambling circles Vaselene was as accepted as long as it was part of the game. Not USGA legal but legal in gambling circles. Some of the banter setting up a match  "grease or no grease" Decision for a player on the course  "well do I hit a wet 5 iron here or a dry 4 iron?"--- With all the gamblers around the course I grew up at the old man sold it in the pro shop along with balls and tees. Around there it was considered "equipment" Honest Truth I NEVER used the stuff. I did hit a ball off a lifesaver once showing my wife that trick with a  driver out of the fairway. Speaking of tricks I can hit a persimmon driver off the top of a 12 oz soda can. Did that trick long before John Daly even picked up a golf club. I used to practice all those old hustler trick shots. Never have tried it with a modern metal driver though

Lol, I remember playing with a friend of a friend for a few bucks and this guy whipped out a small jar of Vaseline to apply to “his dry lips” in the middle of summer. He's clearly better than the rest of us combine but, sometimes people just addicted to cheating. Reminds me of the character, “worm” in the rounders.

 

What I can't stand are the people who shot a triple and then said they shot a bogey. When that happens I stopped betting not even for a nickel.

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Careful with this one. A flick and a full swing back are two different things. The rule states casual flick is ok but not a swing.

 

That's why I specifically didn't say that what his wife had done was legal, I don't know how she hit that range ball.  Its also why I quoted the entire decision.  I think all of us have heard people talk about rules that were either non-existent, or only partially correct.  This way we all have the complete answer.

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Brew I think in regards to “gimmes” what everyone is talking about is not the walking up and tapping it in it is more so the marking a 12 inch putt, waiting for all others to putt including the guy who is 14 inches out, lining it back up then tapping it in. One to two minutes more per hole doesn't sound like much but on a crowded weekend that one to two minutes per hole can add another 40 mins to a round of golf.

 

 

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Ah, I see. When pace of play is involved I think everything changes. I try to be as respectful to everyone's time as possible. I play public courses and if things are getting tight with groups I will pick up close ones. Public/Muni courses are different than private at least I think. Most people are crunched for time. I don't like to pick up but again, it's not just me out there.

 

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my last comments on this issues. First thanks for all the input, secondly, the one bud I play with, who complains about me not giving him the 'gimme' putts can out drive me by at least 50 yards or better. So if I give him the putt, should I ask for a commensurate 50 yards on my drive. No, the answer is that we all have our strengths and weaknesses. I don't mind the short relief from the tree root but my god why should someone expect a 'gimme' putt when putting is my strength, but not give my relief with driving, which is my weakness. Cheers

that's your buddy right there in that post, living inside your head.  The best part is that you don't even know he did it.  Golf is a mental war my man, time to strike back and play mental olympics with him in a major way.  Cause right now, he's playing you like a piano.

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In a manner of speaking, from my perspective, there may be three sets of rules:

 

1.  USGA rules-these are sometimes referred to as strict rules.

 

2.  Local rules-these are typically imposed by courses in order to accommodate course conditions and pace of play.

 

3.  Super local rules or group rules-these are rules agreed by the players to accommodate enjoyment and pace of play.

 

The important factor or consideration is that regardless of which set is to be used, they are established and agreed prior to the first tee.  Any player adhering to any given established and agreed set is not cheating.   

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That's why I specifically didn't say that what his wife had done was legal, I don't know how she hit that range ball.  Its also why I quoted the entire decision.  I think all of us have heard people talk about rules that were either non-existent, or only partially correct.  This way we all have the complete answer.

One of the reasons I have always said sometimes it would take 2 teams of Philadelphia lawyers to argue a golf ruling. If you get snowed in sometime or cooped up read a Decisions Book and you will see what I mean. Just like the law in real life open to interpretation on some stuff 

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This is exactly right! Most leagues allow you to move the ball in the fairway, to give putts and there will s normally a local rule that grants a drop away from tree roots. Is that the case with this league?

I play in two leagues. One is “winter rules” everywhere and free drop from mulched areas, published in the league rules. That league is on a public course where it's probably appropriate, they calculate their own handicaps and everyone is just out for a nice day of golf.

 

The other league is on better courses and it is play it as it lies unless the course is saturated in which case they'll announce you can roll it over in the fairway.

 

However, I won't play a lie that I know I'll hit a root, rock or similar with my club. We are playing for fun. I'll take a penalty if necessary.

 

If you don't like a leagues rules, don't join the league, or play it as it lies if it makes you feel better. Life's too short...

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One of the reasons I have always said sometimes it would take 2 teams of Philadelphia lawyers to argue a golf ruling. If you get snowed in sometime or cooped up read a Decisions Book and you will see what I mean. Just like the law in real life open to interpretation on some stuff 

I don't know of any aspect of life where things are completely black or white.  The vast majority of situations in golf are easily handled with a pretty basic understanding of 5 or 6 rules, things like hazards, OB, lost balls, provisionals, I'm too lazy to make an actual list right now.  And the vast majority of golf is played on a pretty casual basis, so a really deep knowledge of the rules isn't required.  

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