STUDque Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 2 hours ago, PlaidJacket said: Can you extend your arm laterally or behind but still at approximate knee height and make the drop? No closer to hole of course. All examples I've seen simply show a person dropping straight down next to their shoe without any lateral extension. I'm having fun trying to picture the yoga pose this would put you in. Based on my interpretation, I think this would be fine within the confines of knee high, within one club of the chosen drop location, no closer. With that, you can already move around in your semicircle to find the best spot. Is your thought that dropping so close to your shoe gives you more risk at another penalty? Inadvertent contact with the ball is OK now too as long as you don't set it up for an advantage. In my Pisa, riding on a 3.5+ G410+ EXS 5W King F7 Hy i500 5-GW Equalizer 56/60 Heppler Ketsch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaidJacket Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 Now that i've given it more thought and reading your comment Stud, I made a poor drop to begin with. I need to educate myself on the rules and procedures a little more. My Sun Mountain bag currently includes: 771CSI 5i - PW and PFC Micro Tour-c 52°, 56°, 60 wedges EXS 10.5*, 929-HS FW4 16.5* Willimette w/GolfPride Contour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 Now that i've given it more thought and reading your comment Stud, I made a poor drop to begin with. I need to educate myself on the rules and procedures a little more.I understood your original question. I think the reasoning for knee height is to prevent the ball from rolling/bouncing so much after it hits the ground. I also think that the lower drop point will result in the ball settling down a bit more in a depression. Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 4 hours ago, PlaidJacket said: New rule - dropping ball from knee height didn't work yesterday. Yesterday we tried a couple of the new rules. For me that was dropping from the knee. I just dropped from my knee straight down and it came to rest in an awkward depression. If I had stood straight and with an extended arm I could have landed in a much better spot. Question... Can you extend your arm laterally or behind but still at approximate knee height and make the drop? No closer to hole of course. All examples I've seen simply show a person dropping straight down next to their shoe without any lateral extension. What was the reasoning for dropping a ball at knee height, rather than dropping a ball from "no lower than knee height"? I can see under certain conditions that I would want to drop as close to the ground as I could get to give me the best chance for a good lie or to maybe prevent the ball from rolling. However, I also have conditions where it wouldn't matter how high off the ground I dropped the ball. Why should I HAVE to drop it a knee height? Just asking for someone who uses a long putter with a ball grabber on the end. “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaussman1 Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 What was the reasoning for dropping a ball at knee height, rather than dropping a ball from "no lower than knee height"? I can see under certain conditions that I would want to drop as close to the ground as I could get to give me the best chance for a good lie or to maybe prevent the ball from rolling. However, I also have conditions where it wouldn't matter how high off the ground I dropped the ball. Why should I HAVE to drop it a knee height? Just asking for someone who uses a long putter with a ball grabber on the end.Knee height came about because of push back to the originally proposed change of dropping from just above the surface of the grass. The comments called it akin to placing the ball and impossible to monitor so they backed off it. I guess they didn't want to admit this was a solution in search of a problem and just stay at shoulder height so they came up with this in-betweener that doesn't seem to accomplish much. Doesn't seem to hurt anything either so whatever I guess. Sent from my Pixel 3 using MyGolfSpy mobile app Rogue SZ 10.5 *NEW* Fujikura Pro Green 65 X Rogue 15 degree Evnflow Blue 6.5 Back in the Bag Z765 4-G Nippon Modus 120 Stiff 54 and 60 Amazing Grace Ass Kicker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 28 minutes ago, gaussman1 said: Knee height came about because of push back to the originally proposed change of dropping from just above the surface of the grass. The comments called it akin to placing the ball and impossible to monitor so they backed off it. I guess they didn't want to admit this was a solution in search of a problem and just stay at shoulder height so they came up with this in-betweener that doesn't seem to accomplish much. Doesn't seem to hurt anything either so whatever I guess. Sent from my Pixel 3 using MyGolfSpy mobile app Would you call someone on it if they dropped from waist high? I'm not. “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveP043 Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 3 hours ago, gaussman1 said: Knee height came about because of push back to the originally proposed change of dropping from just above the surface of the grass. The comments called it akin to placing the ball and impossible to monitor so they backed off it. I guess they didn't want to admit this was a solution in search of a problem and just stay at shoulder height so they came up with this in-betweener that doesn't seem to accomplish much. Doesn't seem to hurt anything either so whatever I guess. I believe they wanted to decrease the number of re-drops, one of the many changes aimed at improving pace of play. Lowering the drop height means the ball is less likely to roll very far. I'm one of the people who responded, suggesting that a 1-inch drop did not provide an appropriate degree of randomness, it virtually guaranteed the lie that the player wanted. I thought the knee-high drop was a reasonable compromise, but I didn't have a problem before either. 2 hours ago, Kenny B said: Would you call someone on it if they dropped from waist high? I'm not. I'll do my best to educate a player, so he makes a legal drop before he incurs a penalty. I've done the same thing under the old rules, when they've dropped it from over their head height, or from their waist. And if he legitimately can't get to knee-height due to a physical issue, I'll be glad he's out there playing with me. Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin L Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 18 hours ago, PlaidJacket said: New rule - dropping ball from knee height didn't work yesterday. Yesterday we tried a couple of the new rules. For me that was dropping from the knee. I just dropped from my knee straight down and it came to rest in an awkward depression. If I had stood straight and with an extended arm I could have landed in a much better spot. Question... Can you extend your arm laterally or behind but still at approximate knee height and make the drop? No closer to hole of course. All examples I've seen simply show a person dropping straight down next to their shoe without any lateral extension. You've answered your first question by realising it's up to you to choose where, within the relief area to drop. To confirm the answer to your second one, there is nothing said about how you get your hand to a knee height position from which to drop or how you position your body. You may hold the ball in front, to either side or behind you.. You may be kneeling down, lying down, standing on your head as you wish. You may orientate your body in whatever direction you wish. You just need to remember these few things: The ball must leave your hand at the height your knee would be when standing up; it shouldn't touch you before it hits the ground; it must land in and stay in the relief area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony@CIC Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 A pretty concise video on the key rule changes: Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveP043 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 2 hours ago, tony@CIC said: A pretty concise video on the key rule changes: These guys also did a nice job, taking one rule change per day for the entire month of December: https://rulesgeeks.com/ Each one if maybe a 5-minute read, many with links to an illustrative video. Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 On 1/1/2019 at 11:52 AM, Kenny B said: What was the reasoning for dropping a ball at knee height, rather than dropping a ball from "no lower than knee height"? I can see under certain conditions that I would want to drop as close to the ground as I could get to give me the best chance for a good lie or to maybe prevent the ball from rolling. However, I also have conditions where it wouldn't matter how high off the ground I dropped the ball. Why should I HAVE to drop it a knee height? Just asking for someone who uses a long putter with a ball grabber on the end. This drop height rule change seems goofy IMHO. No big deal for our group play though as we place them on a nice tuff of grass G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony@CIC Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 These guys also did a nice job, taking one rule change per day for the entire month of December: https://rulesgeeks.com/ Each one if maybe a 5-minute read, many with links to an illustrative video.Thanks for passing the link along - I wasn't aware these guys. Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 This one made me chuckle. Leave it to Dr. DeChambeau to provide a little extra accentuation on a matter/issue. If Tiger tweaks his back trying to perform the new ball drop maneuver, I'm guessing the rule gets changed back the next business day. G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cksurfdude Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 On 1/5/2019 at 9:06 AM, tony@CIC said: A pretty concise video on the key rule changes: Thanks for that! I actually have that very same guy's print "Illustrated Guide to the Rules of Golf" and found it really helpful to learn the rules and especially various relief procedures. Guess I should pick up an updated copy! WITB of an "aspiring" play-ah ... Driver...Callaway Paradym (Aldila Ascent PL Blue 40/A) 5W...Callaway Great Big Bertha (MCA Kai'Li Red 50/R) 7W...Tour Edge Exotics EXS (Tensei CK Blue 50/R) 4H...Callaway Epic Super Hybrid (Recoil ZT9 F3) 5H...Callaway Big Bertha ('19) (Recoil 460 ESX F3) 6i-GW...Sub 70 699 V2 (Recoil 660 F3) 54°, 60°...Cleveland CBX2, CBX 60 (Rotex graphite) Putter...EvnRoll ER5 or MLA Tour XDream (P2 Reflex grip on both) ...all in a Datrek bag on an MGI Zip Navigator electric cart. Ball often, not always, MaxFli Tour. Forum Member tester for the Paradym X driver (2023) Forum Member tester for the ExPutt Putting Simulator (2020) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cksurfdude Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Watching part of the Sony Open in Hawaii, and I'm not keeping count, but as a casual observation it seems when on the green more players are having the flag pulled (call it "traditional" play). Curious to see how this develops over the season, and even if it becomes a new stat / new GC commentator talking point -- eg. putts made per distance with flag in vs out.... WITB of an "aspiring" play-ah ... Driver...Callaway Paradym (Aldila Ascent PL Blue 40/A) 5W...Callaway Great Big Bertha (MCA Kai'Li Red 50/R) 7W...Tour Edge Exotics EXS (Tensei CK Blue 50/R) 4H...Callaway Epic Super Hybrid (Recoil ZT9 F3) 5H...Callaway Big Bertha ('19) (Recoil 460 ESX F3) 6i-GW...Sub 70 699 V2 (Recoil 660 F3) 54°, 60°...Cleveland CBX2, CBX 60 (Rotex graphite) Putter...EvnRoll ER5 or MLA Tour XDream (P2 Reflex grip on both) ...all in a Datrek bag on an MGI Zip Navigator electric cart. Ball often, not always, MaxFli Tour. Forum Member tester for the Paradym X driver (2023) Forum Member tester for the ExPutt Putting Simulator (2020) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10shot Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 I must say, after watching last week and this week Hawaii matches I thought I'd see more "Cleaning of the green" with the new rules. Players have been moving right along except for the Mad Scientist he got put on the clock last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreLooper Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 On 1/6/2019 at 11:29 AM, fixyurdivot said: This one made me chuckle. Leave it to Dr. DeChambeau to provide a little extra accentuation on a matter/issue. If Tiger tweaks his back trying to perform the new ball drop maneuver, I'm guessing the rule gets changed back the next business day. No Laying Up had a good take on this - would Arnie have looked like the alpha dog he was, dropping like this? Hell no. I get why they did it (reducing re-drops), but it's such a bad look. Just another way to make golfers look goofy. I kinda miss the over-the-shoulder drop. When I watch Caddyshack with younger people, they don't understand why Chevy Chase is dropping over his shoulder. What's in the bag: Driver - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Wood (13.5*) - 980F 4 Wood (18*) - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Hybrid (19*) - RBZ 4i - PW - D7 Forged - Recoil 760 ( S ) 52* - CBX 58* - CBX Full Face 2 Putter - Craz-e Bag - 2.5 (Blue) Ball - AVX Instagram - @hardcorelooper Twitter - @meovino Facebook - mike.eovino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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