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1 hour ago, gaussman1 said:

Not as I read this, no. The explanation I found says 2 club lengths forward only:

The interpretation of Rule 6.2, namely (6)/1, is coming to your rescue. It says “any time a player’s ball is inside the teeing area, the player may move the ball to another spot within the teeing area, and may play it from a tee without penalty”.

So just pick it up, put it back on a tee, and hit the ball properly this time – remembering that it is your second shot. Or play it as it lies, the choice is yours.

Just to be clear, the teeing area is classed as a “rectangle that is two club-lengths deep where the front edge is defined by the line between the forward-most points of two tee-markers set by the committee. The side edges are defined by the lines back from the outside points of the tee-markers”.

And as I mentioned above, 6.2.a clearly says its only the tee that the player is required to play from on that specific hole.  

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On 12/10/2018 at 10:45 AM, perseveringgolfer said:

Anyone heard about any potential changes to the new 'drop on fairway after OB' rule?

NCG has tweeted they will have news on this rule as they didnt include it in their summary of major changes. 

 

On 12/10/2018 at 2:47 PM, DaveP043 said:

I think I had heard that CONGU will not accept scores made if the approved local rule that allows you an option to the stroke and distance penalty for OB and lost balls is in effect.  

So its now official.

CONGU, who govern handicaps and competitions in the UK, have decided you won’t be able to use it in qualifying competitions or for supplementary scores.

In fact, they have gone even further – suggesting it be encouraged for members and visitors for “casual play only”.

It will be up to clubs to decide whether they choose to allow it in matchplay and betterball competitions.

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2 hours ago, perseveringgolfer said:

So its now official.

CONGU, who govern handicaps and competitions in the UK, have decided you won’t be able to use it in qualifying competitions or for supplementary scores.

In fact, they have gone even further – suggesting it be encouraged for members and visitors for “casual play only”.

It will be up to clubs to decide whether they choose to allow it in matchplay and betterball competitions.

This makes me wonder if CONGU weren't consulted when the revisions to the rules were being discussed, or perhaps their input was ignored.  In my personal opinion, I don't believe that use of this local rule will make a significant difference in the scores reported.  As I understand it, there is some type of per-hole stroke limit in every existing handicap system.  I think that when you're laying 3 after your drive, you're likely to run into the stroke limit in most cases.  

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37 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

This makes me wonder if CONGU weren't consulted when the revisions to the rules were being discussed, or perhaps their input was ignored.  In my personal opinion, I don't believe that use of this local rule will make a significant difference in the scores reported.  As I understand it, there is some type of per-hole stroke limit in every existing handicap system.  I think that when you're laying 3 after your drive, you're likely to run into the stroke limit in most cases.  

yes, a double bogie is the maximum score that handicap will be calculated on.

I was +1 after 17 holes once, then got an eleven on 18th - still got a handicap cut as the par 5 was treated as a max 7 for handicap.

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26 minutes ago, perseveringgolfer said:

yes, a double bogie is the maximum score that handicap will be calculated on.

I was +1 after 17 holes once, then got an eleven on 18th - still got a handicap cut as the par 5 was treated as a max 7 for handicap.

It looks like most clubs would be safer just not allowing it across all comps

It depends on the persons course hdcp. For some it’s double bogey others it’s a 7 regardless of par for the hole

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1 hour ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

It depends on the persons course hdcp. For some it’s double bogey others it’s a 7 regardless of par for the hole

It depends where you are, and what handicap system has jurisdiction.  For many parts of the world, the max hole score equates to net double bogey.  I'm pretty sure that will apply to all of us in just over 12 months.

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We use the double par rule for our groups.  No one maintains official handicaps anyway and it keeps clubs from being hurtled about or used as excavation tools, and course play/pace moving along.  Starting out knowing the worst you can get is 144 takes all the pressure off. 😂

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Happy New Year Everyone!!! Time to start playing by the new rules. If you're like me, you've already been "testing out" the new rules to get prepared. I don't know about you, but I'm expecting some hefty rules debates in my summer league. Both folks that are uninformed and those trying to take advantage and stretch the rules will likely be at the center of these debates. 

 

Up until now, there's been a lot of short versions but I think this expanded summary will help clarify those gray area:

15 Things You Need To Know: New Rules of Golf

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37 minutes ago, GolfSpy STUDque said:

Happy New Year Everyone!!! Time to start playing by the new rules. If you're like me, you've already been "testing out" the new rules to get prepared. I don't know about you, but I'm expecting some hefty rules debates in my summer league. Both folks that are uninformed and those trying to take advantage and stretch the rules will likely be at the center of these debates. 

 

Up until now, there's been a lot of short versions but I think this expanded summary will help clarify those gray area:

15 Things You Need To Know: New Rules of Golf

That was pretty good, thank-you for putting it out there!

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New rule - dropping ball from knee height didn't work yesterday. Yesterday we tried a couple of the new rules. For me that was dropping from the knee. I just dropped from my knee straight down and it came to rest in an awkward depression. If I had stood straight and with an extended arm I could have landed in a much better spot. Question...

Can you extend your arm laterally or behind but still at approximate knee height and make the drop? No closer to hole of course. All examples I've seen simply show a person dropping straight down next to their shoe without any lateral extension.

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2 hours ago, PlaidJacket said:

Can you extend your arm laterally or behind but still at approximate knee height and make the drop? No closer to hole of course. All examples I've seen simply show a person dropping straight down next to their shoe without any lateral extension.

I'm having fun trying to picture the yoga pose this would put you in. 🧘‍♂️

Based on my interpretation, I think this would be fine within the confines of knee high, within one club of the chosen drop location, no closer. 

With that, you can already move around in your semicircle to find the best spot. Is your thought that dropping so close to your shoe gives you more risk at another penalty? Inadvertent contact with the ball is OK now too as long as you don't set it up for an advantage. 

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Now that i've given it more thought and reading your comment Stud, I made a poor drop to begin with. I need to educate myself on the rules and procedures a little more.

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Now that i've given it more thought and reading your comment Stud, I made a poor drop to begin with. I need to educate myself on the rules and procedures a little more.

I understood your original question. I think the reasoning for knee height is to prevent the ball from rolling/bouncing so much after it hits the ground. I also think that the lower drop point will result in the ball settling down a bit more in a depression.

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4 hours ago, PlaidJacket said:

New rule - dropping ball from knee height didn't work yesterday. Yesterday we tried a couple of the new rules. For me that was dropping from the knee. I just dropped from my knee straight down and it came to rest in an awkward depression. If I had stood straight and with an extended arm I could have landed in a much better spot. Question...

Can you extend your arm laterally or behind but still at approximate knee height and make the drop? No closer to hole of course. All examples I've seen simply show a person dropping straight down next to their shoe without any lateral extension.

What was the reasoning for dropping a ball at knee height, rather than dropping a ball from "no lower than knee height"?

I can see under certain conditions that I would want to drop as close to the ground as I could get to give me the best chance for a good lie or to maybe prevent the ball from rolling.  However, I also have conditions where it wouldn't matter how high off the ground I dropped the ball.  Why should I HAVE to drop it a knee height?  Just asking for someone who uses a long putter with a ball grabber on the end.

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What was the reasoning for dropping a ball at knee height, rather than dropping a ball from "no lower than knee height"?
I can see under certain conditions that I would want to drop as close to the ground as I could get to give me the best chance for a good lie or to maybe prevent the ball from rolling.  However, I also have conditions where it wouldn't matter how high off the ground I dropped the ball.  Why should I HAVE to drop it a knee height?  Just asking for someone who uses a long putter with a ball grabber on the end.
Knee height came about because of push back to the originally proposed change of dropping from just above the surface of the grass. The comments called it akin to placing the ball and impossible to monitor so they backed off it. I guess they didn't want to admit this was a solution in search of a problem and just stay at shoulder height so they came up with this in-betweener that doesn't seem to accomplish much. Doesn't seem to hurt anything either so whatever I guess.

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28 minutes ago, gaussman1 said:

Knee height came about because of push back to the originally proposed change of dropping from just above the surface of the grass. The comments called it akin to placing the ball and impossible to monitor so they backed off it. I guess they didn't want to admit this was a solution in search of a problem and just stay at shoulder height so they came up with this in-betweener that doesn't seem to accomplish much. Doesn't seem to hurt anything either so whatever I guess.

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Would you call someone on it if they dropped from waist high?  I'm not.

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3 hours ago, gaussman1 said:

Knee height came about because of push back to the originally proposed change of dropping from just above the surface of the grass. The comments called it akin to placing the ball and impossible to monitor so they backed off it. I guess they didn't want to admit this was a solution in search of a problem and just stay at shoulder height so they came up with this in-betweener that doesn't seem to accomplish much. Doesn't seem to hurt anything either so whatever I guess.

I believe they wanted to decrease the number of re-drops, one of the many changes aimed at improving pace of play.  Lowering the drop height means the ball is less likely to roll very far.  I'm one of the people who responded, suggesting that a 1-inch drop did not provide an appropriate degree of randomness, it virtually guaranteed the lie that the player wanted.  I thought the knee-high drop was a reasonable compromise, but I didn't have a problem before either.

2 hours ago, Kenny B said:

Would you call someone on it if they dropped from waist high?  I'm not.

I'll do my best to educate a player, so he makes a legal drop before he incurs a penalty.  I've done the same thing under the old rules, when they've dropped it from over their head height, or from their waist.  And if he legitimately can't get to knee-height due to a physical issue, I'll be glad he's out there playing with me.  

 

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18 hours ago, PlaidJacket said:

New rule - dropping ball from knee height didn't work yesterday. Yesterday we tried a couple of the new rules. For me that was dropping from the knee. I just dropped from my knee straight down and it came to rest in an awkward depression. If I had stood straight and with an extended arm I could have landed in a much better spot. Question...

Can you extend your arm laterally or behind but still at approximate knee height and make the drop? No closer to hole of course. All examples I've seen simply show a person dropping straight down next to their shoe without any lateral extension.

You've answered your  first question by realising it's up to you to choose where, within the relief area to drop.

To confirm the answer to your second one, there is nothing said about how you get your hand to a knee height position from which to drop or how you position your body.   You may hold the ball in front, to either side or behind you.. You may be kneeling down, lying down, standing on your head as you wish. You may orientate your body in whatever direction you wish.   You just need to remember these few things:

The ball must leave your hand at  the height your knee would be when standing up;
it shouldn't touch you before it hits the ground;
it must land in and stay in the relief area.  

 

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 A pretty concise video on the key rule changes: 

 

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2 hours ago, tony@CIC said:

 A pretty concise video on the key rule changes: 

These guys also did a nice job, taking one rule change per day for the entire month of December:

https://rulesgeeks.com/

Each one if maybe a 5-minute read, many with links to an illustrative video.

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