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After reading several of the forums "wedge related" threads, and having a handful of you recommend I add some to my bag, I'm on the hunt.  @GB13 and a friend of mine have suggested the Ping Glide's.  I started looking at all the options; grind, bounce, etc., and need some additional forum intervention.

 

I currently have the PE2 "W" which is listed as a 50.5 deg loft. I have no idea what the specs are on the SW listed in my signature line. I use the PE2 W from around 20-90 yards and closer when I need to go up and over traps, long grass, etc. I only use the SW in traps.  I am pretty consistent with the W when I can make full (or near full) swings - distance on throttled swings not so much.

 

I have long employed the use of a 7 and 8 iron for "bump and run" approaches from around the green and do pretty well at getting them into one putt range.  I picked this technique up from my Dad who was lights out doing this. What I'm looking to add is a wedge that can help with those intermediate distances; 40-60 yards out that will allow a full swing or nearly so.

 

So based on this information, if you were going to recommend one wedge which one?  If you absolutely feel I need two, which two?

 

p.s. I may still have an option to buy the two Vokey wedges recently listed in the classifieds; his other buyer did not come through.

 

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Love to help - can you be more specific?

 

How many wedges are you looking to replace?  What type of shots do you hit with each wedge?  I am confused if you are looking to replace the the W, the SW, or something else

 

I still use my current PE2 W and SW as described. I could replace those as well, but was thinking more along the lines of just adding a new wedge for those 40-60 yard shots that I struggle with using the PE2 W.

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If you can get to an Edel fitter to test those, they're incredible. I'm on my second set.

 

 

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Are you planning on taking full swings with them too?

 

Yes, more or less.  My thinking here is that I do much better with the PE2 W when I can take full swings or nearly so. If I can find another wedge that allows me to do this from closer in, I'm hoping it will work as well.  Even t the range, I can drop lots of shots pretty close together with my existing W with a full swing. When throttling my swing, my distance control goes to hell.  If I had $1 for every shot I've made with the PE2 W that came up short...  :mad:  

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Why is it that you only use your SW from traps?

 

Hell, I dunno.  Probably for the same reason I still play PE2's, just upgraded from a GBB driver, still play a Warbird 3 wood, and carry a ball retriever... I'm an old school relic.  Actually I think it's more because I began copying my Dad's bump and run technique; well that and the club says "sand wedge".  :lol:

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Are you hitting them fat? Or just distance control issue?

 

I personally would recommend:

 

The Glide 50SS, 54SS, 58SS... they'll have a good amount of bounce.

 

I've hit the Glides and the Glide 2.0, they are a great wedge, and if you like to have a matching set I don't think you can go wrong with them.

 

But I haven't seen your swing, and I am not a fitter.

 

I mean there are 64° options out there that might just go 60 yards on a full swing, but they'll require a lot of practice.

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How large are the divots you take?

 

I would not recommend a 64°, it takes a lot of practice to hit and has a high propensity to be misshit.

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@fixyurdivot, my SGI iron set came with 3 "wedges" originally; 45* PW, 50.5* UW & a 56* SW. Now I've only been really immersed into golf for just less than a year, but the more I played, the more I noticed that I wind up scrambling around the greens a lot and was constantly pulling the all of them out more often than not. For me it started to make sense that having better wedges would possibly help me improve that part of my game and have since swapped all three of those out for my Glides I was fitted to which you see in my signature. It was an instant and positive upgrade and having those babies in my arsenal has given me a higher degree of confidence around the greens since I am way better with them than with the original "stock" ones.

 

Full shots (for me of course) are roughly; 125, 100 & 85. For reference, I hit my 9i around 135 max. That 58* I have is just awesome and I know I can get it close in when I'm in range with it, but really all 3 are superb.

 

When I was researching wedges, I didn't have any idea what "bounce" was, but luckily Randy at Fried Eggs Golf came out with this video;

 

 

Seeing this assisted me with choosing the bounces I currently use and I hope this helps you kind of see which "bounce" style you may need/like too.

 

As for suggestions/recommendations, I'd guide you into looking at supplementing/adding-to your 50.5 with a 54* and a 58* to have that 4* differential that everyone usually recommends. Check out the chart (below) which lists the various lofts with available sole grinds and voila! Well maybe not "voila"...there are some really good wedges out there other than PING, I know that. But if you start looking at Glides, I know that they will indeed perform how you want for sure. I hope this helps you a bit Bud. Cheers!

 

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Cleveland makes a good wedge also. it seems you are looking for something in a higher loft, say 60°. It would just as important to make sure you get the correct bounce onthe wedge. What type of ground do you encounter regularly? Will you be using it from the sand? From the thick rough? I prefer wedges that have medium bounce for wedges, somewhere in the 8° range. That's what works best for my swing, and allows multiple types of shots. Again get some help on figuring out the bounce.

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Because there are so many bounces, grinds and lofts to choose from I would recommend a fitting. Mark Crossfield has a video on fittings for wedges which is enlightening.

 

I had a Mizuno 50 S18 which I absolutely hated. I couldn't hit it to save my life. I also have an older Cleveland which I tend to shank.

 

My go to wedges are Callaway Mack Daddy's 50 and 54. The F grind is a perfect fit. Finally I have a MiURA 57 wedge. Around the green it is money. It is a 52 degree and has a completely different grind than any other I've seen.

 

Trial and error testing can get expensive fast.

 

 

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If your W is 50* then your SW is about 54-56?

 

So I would assume you need a 58-60* wedge that goes 50ish yards on full swings.

 

However, I much rather hit half a gap wedge 55 yards than a full lob wedge 60 yards. But that's me.

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@fixyurdivot, my SGI iron set came with 3 "wedges" originally; 45* PW, 50.5* UW & a 56* SW. Now I've only been really immersed into golf for just less than a year, but the more I played, the more I noticed that I wind up scrambling around the greens a lot and was constantly pulling the all of them out more often than not. For me it started to make sense that having better wedges would possibly help me improve that part of my game and have since swapped all three of those out for my Glides I was fitted to which you see in my signature. It was an instant and positive upgrade and having those babies in my arsenal has given me a higher degree of confidence around the greens since I am way better with them than with the original "stock" ones.

 

Full shots (for me of course) are roughly; 125, 100 & 85. For reference, I hit my 9i around 135 max. That 58* I have is just awesome and I know I can get it close in when I'm in range with it, but really all 3 are superb.

 

When I was researching wedges, I didn't have any idea what "bounce" was, but luckily Randy at Fried Eggs Golf came out with this video;

 

 

Seeing this assisted me with choosing the bounces I currently use and I hope this helps you kind of see which "bounce" style you may need/like too.

 

As for suggestions/recommendations, I'd guide you into looking at supplementing/adding-to your 50.5 with a 54* and a 58* to have that 4* differential that everyone usually recommends. Check out the chart (below) which lists the various lofts with available sole grinds and voila! Well maybe not "voila"...there are some really good wedges out there other than PING, I know that. But if you start looking at Glides, I know that they will indeed perform how you want for sure. I hope this helps you a bit Bud. Cheers!

 

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Great video, and it comes as no surprise that the ES grind is so awesome out of the sand since it was copied from the greatest SW ever.

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As far as what wedges I would recommend is it is totally dependent on your swing and prevalent conditions. I generally go with a 52 with medium bounce. 56 with a high bounce and a 60 with a low bounce and a grind that is easier to open the face. You can pick your lofts and grinds but I suggest that you get different options for each wedge. This gives you the most versatility on the course and in different conditions. 

 

Of course, the lofts depend on your irons and preference. I did not like the 50-54-58 and prefer the 52-56-60.

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How large are the divots you take?

 

I would not recommend a 64°, it takes a lot of practice to hit and has a high propensity to be misshit.

 

They are not particularly large; probably a bit on the small side as compared to what we observe by the pros.

 

Cleveland makes a good wedge also. it seems you are looking for something in a higher loft, say 60°. It would just as important to make sure you get the correct bounce onthe wedge. What type of ground do you encounter regularly? Will you be using it from the sand? From the thick rough? I prefer wedges that have medium bounce for wedges, somewhere in the 8° range. That's what works best for my swing, and allows multiple types of shots. Again get some help on figuring out the bounce.

 

Now playing here in SW MT and in AZ, the ground tends to be much drier and on the firmer side as compared to the WA courses I played.  As for bounce, more often than not, my current wedge tends to hit and bounce little - and often backwards a foot or two.

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They are not particularly large; probably a bit on the small side as compared to what we observe by the pros.

 

 

Now playing here in SW MT and in AZ, the ground tends to be much drier and on the firmer side as compared to the WA courses I played. As for bounce, more often than not, my current wedge tends to hit and bounce little - and often backwards a foot or two.

Bounce in regards to the bottom of the wedge😁. Not how the ball reacts when it lands.

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There are so many good wedges out there, it's difficult to go wrong.  Since you have PE2, you probably know your lie angle based on the dot color, and what fits you.  A good wedge can be bad if the lie angle is wrong for you.  We all recommend seeing a fitter, but at least have the lie angle checked wherever you go.

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They are not particularly large; probably a bit on the small side as compared to what we observe by the pros.

 

 

Now playing here in SW MT and in AZ, the ground tends to be much drier and on the firmer side as compared to the WA courses I played. As for bounce, more often than not, my current wedge tends to hit and bounce little - and often backwards a foot or two.

Okay, I would recommend 50° with the SS for standard full swings and most chips.

The 54° with the ES or WS for most bunker shots and full shots.

And finally, the 60° with the TS for touch shots around the green where you need to open the face, and some bunkers with hard packed sand.

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See this is the problem with a question like yours.

 

All of these are great suggestions, each works for the one offering the suggestion and none of this is helpful for you because every answer equals no answer

 

So I will give them one no one has yet - ask your teacher.

 

 

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See this is the problem with a question like yours.

 

All of these are great suggestions, each works for the one offering the suggestion and none of this is helpful for you because every answer equals no answer

 

So I will give them one no one has yet - ask your teacher.

 

 

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If you recall, I recently did an iron fitting (reported results in the Former PE2 Players thread).  This was with a PGA fitter and using a LM. Still green dot and regular flex shafts; the only suggested change being regular vs. my current +1/2" length (borderline).  That was after hitting Mizuno, Ping, and Titleist. The 2 deg upright was also confirmed at a Ping Demo in Yuma this past January.  Am I not safe to presume that any wedge options with this lie, length, and shaft flex is an appropriate fit?  Certainly being able to test hit candidates is ideal, but you would be amazed how challenging that is here in the epicenter of the golf world.  :lol:

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I am a big fan of the Ping Glide wedges as you can see from my signature.  Having the 4 degree gaps from 50 to 58 has worked well for me.  Currently all of the wedges are SS grinds but I would like to experiment with the ES or TS grind for my 58.  They are also a bit more forgiving on full shots than many other wedges because they have a small cavity behind the face.   

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If you recall, I recently did an iron fitting (reported results in the Former PE2 Players thread).  This was with a PGA fitter and using a LM. Still green dot and regular flex shafts; the only suggested change being regular vs. my current +1/2" length (borderline).  That was after hitting Mizuno, Ping, and Titleist. The 2 deg upright was also confirmed at a Ping Demo in Yuma this past January.  Am I not safe to presume that any wedge options with this lie, length, and shaft flex is an appropriate fit?  Certainly being able to test hit candidates is ideal, but you would be amazed how challenging that is here in the epicenter of the golf world.  :lol:

My iron fitting at a PING demo day stated that I too am 2* up. I ran with that for the current wedges I custom ordered and play. That setting for me is solid and I've have been very happy with their performance overall.

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My experience is that the greater the loft on your wedge the steeper the learning curve is regardless of the amount of bounce..also the more practice is takes to hit quality shots.  I am not saying that it can't be done, but it requires a lot of practice to hit good shots from 50-60 yards with a 58-62 degree wedge.  The good news is that once you get the feel and the technique, your other clubs will also benefit from all of that effort!

 

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If your gap wedge is 50? And you wanted to add two wedges to your bag I'd go 54-58. If you're just adding one I'd go 56

 

 

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As others have echoed, getting fit most crucial, but I'll throw a vote in for the Cleveland CBX wedge(s). I personally like a 5 degree gap between my wedges and went with 50, 55, 60 and recently replace my set's PW for a 45.

When they say it's designed for people with cavity back irons, it's true for me. I have a ton of confidence and they fit the majority of golfers. If you're looking more bladish, the RTX 3 are discounted since the 4 just came out.

Add them to the testing list!

Or go bombtech 3/$99 and then add their 72 degree wedge for fun!!!!

 

 

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