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I played a 44.5” driver as long as I can remember; Close to 20 years.

When I tried my G400 I wanted to try something longer and settled at 45”. I know the value of playing a shorter length driver but I’ve had no reason to shorten it up.


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Was using a 45.50 driver, purchased my Cobra F9 at 44.75 and all I can say is WOW! I am hitting it longer because I am finding the center more often AND this Cobra F9 has to be the best driver I have ever used.  Swing speed has picked up a few mph and being in places I have never been in the fairway has boosted my confidence, so all around a win win situation.

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I cut an inch off my Callaway Flash and it works great a 44.5 [emoji7]


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I was hitting my 3 wood better than driver fairly consistently so, rather than mess with my existing 3 wood I got another the same off eBay and swapped shafts with my driver.

So I now have a choice between a 2" shorter driver and 2" longer 3wood.  So far the driver is doing well, not lost distance, gained if anything, and more accurate.

I need to do more evaluation, but so far shorter driver seems better for me than 'standard'.

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Every time a thread like this one comes up or revives I feel compelled to jump in and ask if your fitter made this recommendation?

Drivers are designed with the shaft they have in them. Cut the shaft, impact the club’s integrity.

Also what if your swing is better suited to a longer shaft?

I will grant that there are a number of guys who haven’t been fit who will benefit from a shorter shaft - and probably weaker - in their driver.

But to do it because it worked for a buddy or you ready an article (that was 10 years old) is a mistake. Your swing is not theirs.

If it means anything the trend on tour is towards longer shafts in the driver.

Good luck to those who have cut theirs. IMO gripping down is the much better move - seeing a fitter first, the best move.


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Tour Exotics 3 wood is in the bag because we are allowed 14 clubs.  It's a great club for pulling balls out of the water or from bushes - you never want to put your hand into anything in Florida unless you are absolutely certain that it's safe.  There are rare wind conditions when I might hit it off the tee on a few holes that I play.  

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10 hours ago, revkev said:

Drivers are designed with the shaft they have in them.

Not so sure about that Rev. Haven't you ever changed a shaft in a driver head? I have and I know you have too. I switched the shaft that came stock in my EXS because I hated it. Swapped it out and the driver became a winner. I think the heads are designed and then a selection of shafts are offered to hopefully suit a wide audience. Shafts and heads are interchangeable. You just have to find the right combination is all.

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Not so sure about that Rev. Haven't you ever changed a shaft in a driver head? I have and I know you have too. I switched the shaft that came stock in my EXS because I hated it. Swapped it out and the driver became a winner. I think the heads are designed and then a selection of shafts are offered to hopefully suit a wide audience. Shafts and heads are interchangeable. You just have to find the right combination is all.

 

Of course I have and it’s always been a mistake unless there was a fitter involved. :)

 

I’m only giving advice that I’ve learned from my fitters and fittings - stuff like - “Stuff like should we cut the shaft?” “Why, I fit you for that length. We ordered it at that length. Change it at your own risk.”

 

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Tour Exotics 3 wood is in the bag because we are allowed 14 clubs.  It's a great club for pulling balls out of the water or from bushes - you never want to put your hand into anything in Florida unless you are absolutely certain that it's safe.  There are rare wind conditions when I might hit it off the tee on a few holes that I play.  

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On 8/25/2019 at 12:29 PM, revkev said:

If it means anything the trend on tour is towards longer shafts in the driver.
 

Average driver length on tour 44.5"

Average driver length in shops 45.5"

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My Friday morning 2 cents....

I've thought a few times about shortening my over all driver length but never have. I'd like to take for example by old SLDR now that I've switched to the Exotics EXS and experiment with it and just see what happens. My EXS measures 45.25". I know this is heresy in a forum like this but I've never been fit for a driver. "Gasp!!" Every other club in my bag including putter - yes, fit. My old and beloved SLDR was stock and so is my EXS - although I did swap out the stock EXS shaft with the one that was in my SLDR and made some basic adjustments to the settings, etc.  The EXS is a winner for me due entirely to the shaft swap and finding the correct settings. I'm certainly not against being fit for a driver and think people should be fit in most cases if possible/available. Why not? But it's not - in my book an absolute. I think irons demand more in the way of fitting than a driver because irons are not self adjustable like a driver and the shafts can't be swapped on the fly. Anywhooo....

Have a great weekend! 🏌️‍♂️

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Went through a fitting at True Spec a couple of weeks ago. My Flash is 45.5" standard. True Spec uses 45" as their standard. After going through multiple shafts we found one that works at 45". First round with it last night and I centered 90% of my drives. It feels different during the swing but right now I feel that I can be more aggressive with it and at .5" shorter it shouldn't cost me distance. 

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On ‎9‎/‎20‎/‎2019 at 5:04 AM, perseveringgolfer said:

Average driver length on tour 44.5"

Average driver length in shops 45.5"

I don't think that average tour length is true anymore - I think that was the case 5 years ago - for example go through the Ping Tour Staff's driver length and you will see the average at about 45.25".  It has come up over the past several years. 

 

Ultimately the proper thing to do is to be fit for length anyway - there are clearly players who benefit from a longer driver shaft and they aren't always whom you think they are.  Additionally if you get fitted adjustments can be made to the driver head so that it plays to the proper swing weight. 

Just lopping an inch off of the shaft of a $500 club seems like a potentially costly proposition. 

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Tour Exotics 3 wood is in the bag because we are allowed 14 clubs.  It's a great club for pulling balls out of the water or from bushes - you never want to put your hand into anything in Florida unless you are absolutely certain that it's safe.  There are rare wind conditions when I might hit it off the tee on a few holes that I play.  

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On ‎9‎/‎20‎/‎2019 at 8:31 AM, PlaidJacket said:

My Friday morning 2 cents....

I've thought a few times about shortening my over all driver length but never have. I'd like to take for example by old SLDR now that I've switched to the Exotics EXS and experiment with it and just see what happens. My EXS measures 45.25". I know this is heresy in a forum like this but I've never been fit for a driver. "Gasp!!" Every other club in my bag including putter - yes, fit. My old and beloved SLDR was stock and so is my EXS - although I did swap out the stock EXS shaft with the one that was in my SLDR and made some basic adjustments to the settings, etc.  The EXS is a winner for me due entirely to the shaft swap and finding the correct settings. I'm certainly not against being fit for a driver and think people should be fit in most cases if possible/available. Why not? But it's not - in my book an absolute. I think irons demand more in the way of fitting than a driver because irons are not self adjustable like a driver and the shafts can't be swapped on the fly. Anywhooo....

Have a great weekend! 🏌️‍♂️

These are actually interesting points - but in the end you are fit for driver - its self fit to obtain your desired results but fit never the less -

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Tour Exotics 3 wood is in the bag because we are allowed 14 clubs.  It's a great club for pulling balls out of the water or from bushes - you never want to put your hand into anything in Florida unless you are absolutely certain that it's safe.  There are rare wind conditions when I might hit it off the tee on a few holes that I play.  

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34 minutes ago, revkev said:

These are actually interesting points - but in the end you are fit for driver - its self fit to obtain your desired results but fit never the less -

PlaidFit.. 😎

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I took 1” off my driver and a half inch off my three wood. Hit them both much better!


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27 minutes ago, Middler said:

Comparing to tour players isn’t always wise. Few of us have capabilities anywhere near those guys and girls.

A normal set of clubs will range from about 45” to 35.5” with irons in 1/2” increments. It’s typical for almost every player to constantly adapt to different club lengths without a problem. And choking up is something you see pros do for a variety or reasons, they know it alters swing weight. 

A shorter driver will increase center strikes for most amateurs, so a shorter driver, ideally with swing weight adjusted, could easily result in more distance and accuracy than a longer driver. Me, I choke up a little when I’m missing too many, and play full length otherwise.

Being fit for iron club lengths is fine, mine are +1/2”, but you could argue it only matters with your shortest iron. E.g. how can your 3 thru 9 iron be too short if you can hit your wedge which is shorter still? How can your longest iron be too long, yet you hit woods that are considerably longer. I’m all for fitting, but we amateurs get carried away with it sometimes...our inconsistency comes from all sorts of flaws that have little or nothing to do with the clubs.

A low single digit player or certainly tour player could grab an iron out of your bag, hit a few shots and have your dropping ya jaw like a baby bluebird at supper time.  They could definitely hit out anyone's bag and put on a display of ball striking.  Makes you wonder huh?

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All of my clubs are custom fit. I've always had custom fittings done when I'm investing in new clubs. Including my wedges and putter. I've even put a number of balls to the on-course testing this season since mid-January and I continue to play the Srixon Z Star for best all around ball for my game.

My driver is a 43.5" shaft length (custom fit shaft flex as well). I'm making consistent center-face strikes and carrying good distance off the tee consistently as well, so I'm quite happy with my current set up.

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My experience is a yes with a no.

When I was fit, first by a fitter from Ping, and then, a fitter who is not affiliated with any company; both indicated that I go with the standard length for the type of shaft I decided was best for me and the type of club.  As I play an SR, senior graphite, I have not made any type of length changes, ever. and I have good results to date,

I do not play clubs with the same length of all clubs.

As I have worked with my coach, he noticed I seem to naturally choke up a bit, at times, on many of my weapons. For example, over the years, he noticed I seem to choke off or use full length with my driver.  Wind conditions, rain, and such were factors that modified the length by choke or no choke.

But he did not teach the to me.

Over coffee, it seems, I learned this when I started golfing, using steel shafts and blades.  It seems to be something ingrained in me that I have come back to use after decades off.

Final suggestion was NOT to change shaft lengths as the 1/4 inch or so I changed did not demand newer shafts.

So far, this helps.  Perhaps as I am now an older fart golfer, shaft length changes could open newer problems.

Bottom line, I play shorter or full on length depending on weather or shot needs.  Full length allows me more options.

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I've been using a TM Original One Mini Driver for a couple months now.  It was a bit of an indulgence as I didn't plan to spend that much but the 20% off coupon helped.  When I address the ball with a 45.5" driver, the ball feels like it's a mile and a half away from me.  When I address the ball with my Mini Driver, it feels like it's the "right" distance from me.  Maybe it's a mental thing but I am way more comfortable with it at address and therefore more confident with this driver.  It hasn't been a silver bullet. Make a terrible swing and the ball still ends up in the next zip code over.  I actually enjoy hitting this driver though.  Sometimes that can be more important. 

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43.5" here.  Its a fairway finder and I love how people laugh when I pull a persimmon wood out of my bag but arent laughing when I pound it down the middle of the fairway.

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