2018 Official Forum Member Review - SuperSpeed Golf

[Mike Lambert 369]

2 hours ago, Springveldt said:

Lengthy post incoming...

OK, managed to get back to the exact same GC2 monitor that I hit on back in March. The results were both positive and negative.

Ignore club names as I was just selecting anything on the screen at the time to give me difference colours, the GC2 guesses club head speed anyway so I was only interested in the ball data.

Numbers from March when I had my driver set at 9.25 degrees in draw position with a TaylorMade Project(a) ball.

 

My first hits where with the Project(a) ball again but I've got my driver at 10.5 degrees just now in Fade since I was trying to play a fade as I've been coming over the top lately. When not in Fade setting my misses have been big pulls left.

Positive is the big 5mph increase in ball speed, not bad for 6 weeks! Negatives are the huge jump in spin that means I'm not gaining anything really and I'm off the planet right when I leave the face open.

In true MyGolfSpy fashion I then switched to my current ball the Bridgestone Tour B X to see if that produced any more speed (it should going by the MyGolfSpy ball test).

I hit 4 shots with the driver in the same setting before lowering it to 9.75 and switching to the Draw setting again.

Ball speed up nearly 7mph now, I guess the ball testing was accurate as the Bridgestone has given me another 2mph.

From these results it's obvious that a few things are happening...

1. I'm hitting down on the ball with my driver instead if hitting up. This is probably because I've been trying to steepen my backswing but I'm not shallowing out enough on the downswing. When I swing with a shallower backswing I have big pulls left with both irons and driver as a miss. This more upright backswing has helped my irons a lot but it may be hurting my driver.

2. If I keep swinging as I am just now I need to lower my current driver loft to 9 degrees but this is opening the face up even more. If I do that I'll need to make sure I get better club face control but I'm worried I won't be able to control it and start slicing massively.

3. Superspeed works, there is no doubt about it in my mind.

Next step is probably to go get a lesson from a local pro who has a Trackman to see if I can retain this speed but adjust my angle of attack to hit up. If I can do that I should be seeing carries into the 260 range.

 If that fails, I guess it's time for a driver fitting as I think I would benefit from a 9 degree driver rather than the 10.5 one I have currently. Plus, it's a 2016 M1 driver I'm hitting, I need an excuse to replace it. 

tl;dr Superspeed works.

 

Thanks, that was a good read, great work!  I have to admit I'm just a little jealous of those speeds and distances. 

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Plus, it's a 2016 M1 driver I'm hitting, I need an excuse to replace it.

For sure, you're behind by 5 now!  

[Trial&Error 214]

The last month I have been recovering from a back injury from golf and speed sticks. I was a couple weeks into Level 4 when all this happened, so I put them down for abit and the last week or more have been starting back up with 2 training sessions per week at the Level 1 proto.........and ramping up and into L4 over the next week.

On August 1st will be the 1 year anniversary for me of when I first got the stick and the radar and drove down to the range to collect my first "starting numbers." Granted I did not start the training FOR REAL until November 1, but I am hoping to remain healthy and head back to the range on that 1 year anniversary date to re-test and compare.

[Trial&Error 214]

I stayed true to my word as it relates to the below Quote from the above post (lol).

366 days ago, 8-2-2018, I trotted out to range with my swing speed radar and a bucket of balls. Warmed up and then hit and recorded 10 drivers with result of Max 108mph, Averaged 105.5

366 days later, 8-3-2019, trotted to the same range and a bucket, warmed up and then recorded 10 drivers with result of Max 118mph, Averaged 116mph, and slowest was 113mph. I did actually record a 121mph in my string of 10 but eliminated it as an outlier and hit another to use for record.  It is the 2nd 121mph (in months) I've seen but I'm not buying it until I see it more often

QUOTE FROM ABOVE:"On August 1st will be the 1 year anniversary for me of when I first got the stick and the radar and drove down to the range to collect my first "starting numbers." Granted I did not start the training FOR REAL until November 1, but I am hoping to remain healthy and head back to the range on that 1 year anniversary date to re-test and compare."

Edited August 3, 2019 by Trial&Error

[revkev 22,610]

I stayed true to my word as it relates to the below Quote from the above post (lol).
366 days ago, 8-2-2018, I trotted out to range with my swing speed radar and a bucket of balls. Warmed up and then hit and recorded 10 drivers with result of Max 108mph, Averaged 105.5
366 days later, 8-3-2019, trotted to the same range and a bucket, warmed up and then recorded 10 drivers with result of Max 118mph, Averaged 116mph, and slowest was 113mph. I did actually record a 121mph in my string of 10 but eliminated it as an outlier and hit another to use for record.  It is the 2nd 121mph (in months) I've seen but I'm not buying it until I see it more often
QUOTE FROM ABOVE:"On August 1st will be the 1 year anniversary for me of when I first got the stick and the radar and drove down to the range to collect my first "starting numbers." Granted I did not start the training FOR REAL until November 1, but I am hoping to remain healthy and head back to the range on that 1 year anniversary date to re-test and compare."

That’s awesome


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[Yadirtydog! 45]

I started level 2 about three days ago and have noticed quite the difference. I didn't buy a radar, but probably should have. The only downside I've realized is needing to upgrade equipment (shafts) again at Club Champion. I'll wait until I'm finished up next May/June before I upgrade.

 

That'll be $$$$

[revkev 22,610]

I started level 2 about three days ago and have noticed quite the difference. I didn't buy a radar, but probably should have. The only downside I've realized is needing to upgrade equipment (shafts) again at Club Champion. I'll wait until I'm finished up next May/June before I upgrade.
 
That'll be $$$$

I would highly recommend the radar. You can find them for under 100 on Amazon Prime.

Everyone is different but the only club/shaft that I needed to change was driver. I was very surprised when I was fitted. Others though have needed a more complete equipment overhaul. SuperSpeed recommends doing a fitting during the second plateau phase.

Good luck


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[edingc 7,872]

Life has gotten in the way of already being done with the second protocol. I only did two sessions in July, but have picked up and done two more this week already. I'm now done with 19 of 24 sessions in the second protocol.

I'm definitely still in a plateau, but what's interesting is that I'm finally starting to see my numbers with the heavier (blue, red) clubs and left hand swings catch up with my right-handed green club swings. I think that's a good thing.

Overall maximum speed progression so far during protocol two:

And numbers from my last session last night:

 

Most importantly, I'm starting to see results on the course. I switched driver shafts in my Epic Flash to the HZRDUS Yellow two weeks ago and made a few small swing changes at the beginning of July. They have really aided translating my speed to the course.

During my nine hole round this morning I averaged 248 yards off the tee, dragged down by a 219-yard miss low on the face. About two weeks ago, I had drives of 280 and 301 yards during an evening round. 

I'll say it again - SuperSpeed flat out works.

[Peaksy68 4,019]

Did my first session with my homemade setup. 

Left handed was certainly weird and uncoordinated.

Highest speed with the light club was 120, squeezed out 110 with the heavy one with the step through. 

I was puffing by the time I finished, seriously out of condition.

I'll need to monitor my shoulder to see if I can keep going in the short term. Fingers crossed.

[revkev 22,610]

I thought it might be nice to check back in for an update from a member of the original tester group. Why?

Because it’s been just over a year since we started the program. I know that we did our stage one in late September but we had been at it a while when those were written - 6 weeks I think.

I can’t speak for the other testers but I stuck with the program well past the end of the test - I finally broke it off in late April for 3 reasons.

1. Work was very busy with a late Easter and short staff.

2. I was playing in two golf leagues starting the week after Easter and didn’t want to interfere.

3. It was getting hot and I had already learned that inside training wasn’t great for me.

I did follow the SuperSpeed maintenance plan of one stage one workout per week through May but stopped when the funerals started to come (7 from the second week of June to the 4th of July).

I’m up in the air as to whether or not I will resume protocol workouts. I have developed golfers elbow - I like playing golf too much to rest it at this point but don’t want to aggravate it further. We will see.

Certainly I’ve seen an uptick in distance on the golf course and that uptick remains steady. It’s tropical Florida wet so I’ve lost a bit since the Spring but gains are there and they are the same relative to my playing companions.

To verify that I took my swing caddy out on the range today and measured 5 7 irons, 5 of my longest fairway wood shots (4 wood) and 7 drivers.

I averaged 155 with the 7 iron - I was at 144 when the test started - my carry distance is more than that now. 219 with the fairway which is longer than I could hit driver when the test started - it took me a month to hit one over 220 intact and three months until I got the drive ver ball speed over 130 - now I do that with fairway off of a swing speed around 90.

I averaged 233 with driver - I noticed that the drive in my stage one review was 215 - that was probably my long for that session - my long today was 239. My fastest ball speed was 136.

More important my handicap sits at 4.3. I have had a subpar round. Honestly what holds me back is that at 62 I don’t have the same focus that I did even at 55. Physically I’m able to hit the ball about the same now - between 230-240. I’m actually still in better shape than I have been for a couple of decades - weighed in today at a smidge over 165 or just below my college playing weight.

The take away remains this: SuperSpeed does work if you follow the program. It can be tough on the body so be ready for some aches and pains and be sure to stay disciplined. If you do it for long enough you hold onto most of your gain.

Finally I was surprised when i got fit. The only change that my fitter made was to put me in more loft and a weaker, lighter shaft. Not what you’d expect but i kill it and i kill it straight - over 70 percent fairways hit on shot scope. Irons remained the same and even though my long game clubs changed they were similar specs to what I had.

There’s my update - I hope it helps. I’m curious if any of the other guys are still following the protocols. We had 72 weeks worth.


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[Trial&Error 214]

Thanks for chiming back in as an original tester Revkev. I (obviously was not one) wondered if any of the original testers were going to see it through further and to see if anyone would eventually report the "3rd Bump" in speed. I for one have been thinking about and gearing up for this off season to continue the training in quest of this mythical 3rd bump in speed and see if it comes through.

I'm in this so far for 10 months now, my current plateau has been "locked in" since back in March more or less........figure I've made it this far, see if I can stay healthy and power through to March 2020 in hopes of the last increase?!?!?!?

[B.Boston 9,522]

Due to work, new baby, and lots of actual golf I haven’t made it far into level 2.

However, I did a workout yesterday and was happy to see that I got close to my max speeds even after not training for about 2 weeks. :)


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[Kegger 449]

Nice to hear the update Rev! As another one of the original testers, I will try to spend some time this weekend and get my own update written up, but for the time being, here is a basic overview. I made it through the 2nd protocol (and our Stage 2 reviews), but I was never able to gain any firm traction in the 3rd protocol and fell off the program quickly after. The combination of working full-time and going to school at a University at night, I'm often mentally drained by the time I get home and just didn't have the discipline to keep up with the program. I am going in for a long game fitting tomorrow morning (fairways/hybrids), and will be able to get some Trackman numbers off of my driver to see how they compare to my pre-SuperSpeed Trackman numbers (I went through a driver fitting 6-8 months prior to SuperSpeed). It should be a good indication of how well the swing speed numbers hold up over time without actively doing the training for an extended period of time.

[sirchunksalot 9,548]

I'm somewhat in the same boat as@revkev, after finishing the third set of protocols I went into a maintenance phase for a few weeks. Right now, I haven't picked up a SuperSpeed sick for anything other than a warm-up in a little over a month. We bought a mobile home to move my mother-in-law into and with two places to maintain plus work, golfing, and trying to get her moved, time has been at a minimum.

I'm still seeing better distances on the course, and I think that's a testament of how well SuperSpeed works. I've hit my longest drive ever (276) and also achieved a major goal of driving a par 4 just last weekend. I have developed a severe over the top move that is hurting my distance and need to iron that out, but knowing is half the battle.

I am planning on resuming training once everything calms down. I thoroughly enjoy doing it and the results speak for themselves.

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[edingc 7,872]

Thanks for the update, @revkev!

1 hour ago, Trial&Error said:

I'm in this so far for 10 months now, my current plateau has been "locked in" since back in March more or less........figure I've made it this far, see if I can stay healthy and power through to March 2020 in hopes of the last increase?!?!?!?

I've been wondering this, too. I finally finished the second level of training and am planning on starting the third level here this weekend. The entire second level was basically one long plateau phase, with exception to increasing my speeds with the heavier clubs and with my left-handed swings. 

I think adding the sequencing ASD protocol during the third level is going to help me quite a bit. At my range session during lunch today I hit 258 carry and saw 106 MPH club head speed once. I'm getting to the point where 100+ is the norm, but I know I struggle a lot with my sequencing and especially being consistent with it.

 

[revkev 22,610]

Thanks for the update, [mention=16651]revkev[/mention]!
I've been wondering this, too. I finally finished the second level of training and am planning on starting the third level here this weekend. The entire second level was basically one long plateau phase, with exception to increasing my speeds with the heavier clubs and with my left-handed swings. 
I think adding the sequencing ASD protocol during the third level is going to help me quite a bit. At my range session during lunch today I hit 258 carry and saw 106 MPH club head speed once. I'm getting to the point where 100+ is the norm, but I know I struggle a lot with my sequencing and especially being consistent with it.
 

Hang in there - if you go back to our stage two reviews you will see that some of us experienced jumps at the end of level 2 for others it was into level 3.

That jump however did not hold for me - I lost it before I stopped doing SuperSpeed in fact. I peaked out around 97 or 98 mph but slid back to 92-95 where I am now. I did hit 100 plus right after a protocol session - but I’ve never had an “official” 100 on Swing Caddy on the course.



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[joen 780]

I have been in maintenance mode all summer long. I have not lost any of my added speed or distance. Not sure how much more I can gain to be honest. We all have our ceilings and I feel I am probably close to mine. With that said.....the investment in the Super Speed sticks was definitely worth it. 

[revkev 22,610]

I have been in maintenance mode all summer long. I have not lost any of my added speed or distance. Not sure how much more I can gain to be honest. We all have our ceilings and I feel I am probably close to mine. With that said.....the investment in the Super Speed sticks was definitely worth it. 

I agree in regards to the ceiling but what determines it? Lots of factors I would think from swing flaws to physical ailments to age to level of athletic giftedness. For that matter life and economic circumstance are factors.

If I had the time, money and desire I could raise that ceiling a bit even at my age - certainly if I were younger but would it be worth it?

All interesting questions to ponder


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[Kegger 449]

I just got back from my long game fitting.. I know I teased a longer update after going through the fitting, but I'm going to have to split the update. I got baseline numbers from my current 5i, 5w, and 3w, but after going through the hybrid portion of the fitting, I was getting tired and my numbers were starting to drastically drop and my swing was getting inconsistent. I went ahead and ordered a hybrid, and am going to resume the fairway wood portion of the fitting when I pick up the new club! Hopefully I will be able to get some Driver numbers at that time also.

But to give you a general idea of how my swing speed numbers have progressed, I compared my Trackman numbers from today with the Trackman numbers from my previous Driver and Iron fittings (Driver and Irons were fitted in 2018 at the same location). This won't be a perfect apples to apples comparison since I did not hit driver today and the only iron I hit was my 5i, whereas I was fit previously using a 6i, but I think you'll still get the point...

In 2018, my fitted driver had an average swing speed of 91.3. A month later, my fitted 6i swing speed measured in at 83.3 mph. Today, my current 3w had an average speed of 98.7 mph, and my current 5i had an average speed of 91.0 mph!

A disclaimer to the above, after going through the SuperSpeed program and gaining swing speed, but not distance, I started looking towards lessons. At the end of April, I started going to a local teaching professional and have taken a total of 3 lessons. It took taking the lessons before I started seeing distance gains. So while I do think some of my swing speed gains can be attributed to the lessons (my club path has gotten drastically better), I still believe that the majority of this increase came from learning how to swing faster!

 

[joen 780]

7 hours ago, revkev said:

 

I agree in regards to the ceiling but what determines it? Lots of factors I would think from swing flaws to physical ailments to age to level of athletic giftedness. For that matter life and economic circumstance are factors.

If I had the time, money and desire I could raise that ceiling a bit even at my age - certainly if I were younger but would it be worth it?

All interesting questions to ponder


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Good observations. I believe age and your natural athletic ability including your percentage of fast twitch muscle fibers are the two most important factors that you mentioned.  I would be curious if someone did have unlimited time and resources how much they could theoretically increase their ceiling. 

[revkev 22,610]

Good observations. I believe age and your natural athletic ability including your percentage of fast twitch muscle fibers are the two most important factors that you mentioned.  I would be curious if someone did have unlimited time and resources how much they could theoretically increase their ceiling. 

Of course we do have to remember that there are finally tuned your athletes with just those resources - of those only a few hundred make a good living playing golf.

Even if 4 got to a plus 2 - a highly improbable scenario, he’s still not playing professional golf or competing in high level amateur events.
@Kegger huge improvements there!


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