2018 Official Forum Member Review - SuperSpeed Golf

[Bucky CC 2,382]

On 1/8/2020 at 10:07 AM, tchat07 said:

Alright Superspeed crew I have a question. I have been doing the protocol 2 days a week instead of 3 and am seeing what I believe to be a greater jump in numbers then I did when doing it 3 times a week. I remember hearing that 2 vs 3 days a week didnt show much variation in the superspeed data, does anyone recall something along those lines?

That very well could be.  Somewhere earlier in this thread it was mentioned that SuperSpeed also saw similar results when people only trained two days versus three.  For me personally I always tried to do three days a week as a tester but my fastest days were definitely Mondays after having two days of rest over the weekend.

To be honest I got kind of bored with the regular SS protocols.  I stopped the program over the summer but picked the sticks back up again about a month ago when I started the Fit for Golf SuperSpeed program.  Not sure how familiar people are with it but it's a strength and conditioning program that incorporates the SS set before you move on to the weight portion of the workout.  The SS portion is much shorter (36 swings each workout vs 57 for Levels 2 and 3 of the SS protocol) but I feel the overall gains when you include the strength and conditioning portion are greater for your total game than simply doing SS alone.

After taking May through December off I was definitely a little slower with my swings but I'm very close to the max levels I saw after 26 weeks of the SuperSpeed protocol.  I just completed by 4th week of the Fit for Golf program this morning which consisted of 12 total workouts.  Here are my numbers.

The SuperSpeed sticks definitely work but after seeing the results of my new program I think there are different ways each person can maximize their potential.

I purposely didn't include my driver swing speed because I haven't been able to test it fully yet.  Swinging with no ball I saw a very high number using the SS Radar but I don't want to get my hopes up in case that was an outlier.  I have simulator time booked for next Wednesday so we'll see what the Trackman numbers show then.

[edingc 2,820]

8 hours ago, Bucky CC said:

That very well could be.  Somewhere earlier in this thread it was mentioned that SuperSpeed also saw similar results when people only trained two days versus three.  For me personally I always tried to do three days a week as a tester but my fastest days were definitely Mondays after having two days of rest over the weekend.

To be honest I got kind of bored with the regular SS protocols.  I stopped the program over the summer but picked the sticks back up again about a month ago when I started the Fit for Golf SuperSpeed program.  Not sure how familiar people are with it but it's a strength and conditioning program that incorporates the SS set before you move on to the weight portion of the workout.  The SS portion is much shorter (36 swings each workout vs 57 for Levels 2 and 3 of the SS protocol) but I feel the overall gains when you include the strength and conditioning portion are greater for your total game than simply doing SS alone.

After taking May through December off I was definitely a little slower with my swings but I'm very close to the max levels I saw after 26 weeks of the SuperSpeed protocol.  I just completed by 4th week of the Fit for Golf program this morning which consisted of 12 total workouts.  Here are my numbers.

The SuperSpeed sticks definitely work but after seeing the results of my new program I think there are different ways each person can maximize their potential.

I purposely didn't include my driver swing speed because I haven't been able to test it fully yet.  Swinging with no ball I saw a very high number using the SS Radar but I don't want to get my hopes up in case that was an outlier.  I have simulator time booked for next Wednesday so we'll see what the Trackman numbers show then.

I love the symmetry of your numbers. Although I'm not gaining much on the right side anymore, my left side continues to get faster. I would love to see my left side catch completely up like yours.

Glad you are getting great results with Fit For Golf. I'm not doing Mike's SuperSpeed workout, but I've transitioned to mixing his offseason program stretching with heavy compound lifts and the original SS protocols. So far, so good. 

[tchat07 503]

That very well could be.  Somewhere earlier in this thread it was mentioned that SuperSpeed also saw similar results when people only trained two days versus three.  For me personally I always tried to do three days a week as a tester but my fastest days were definitely Mondays after having two days of rest over the weekend.
To be honest I got kind of bored with the regular SS protocols.  I stopped the program over the summer but picked the sticks back up again about a month ago when I started the Fit for Golf SuperSpeed program.  Not sure how familiar people are with it but it's a strength and conditioning program that incorporates the SS set before you move on to the weight portion of the workout.  The SS portion is much shorter (36 swings each workout vs 57 for Levels 2 and 3 of the SS protocol) but I feel the overall gains when you include the strength and conditioning portion are greater for your total game than simply doing SS alone.
After taking May through December off I was definitely a little slower with my swings but I'm very close to the max levels I saw after 26 weeks of the SuperSpeed protocol.  I just completed by 4th week of the Fit for Golf program this morning which consisted of 12 total workouts.  Here are my numbers.

The SuperSpeed sticks definitely work but after seeing the results of my new program I think there are different ways each person can maximize their potential.
I purposely didn't include my driver swing speed because I haven't been able to test it fully yet.  Swinging with no ball I saw a very high number using the SS Radar but I don't want to get my hopes up in case that was an outlier.  I have simulator time booked for next Wednesday so we'll see what the Trackman numbers show then.

Yes I remember something a while back being said about that but couldn't find it nor wasnt 100% sure. That Fit for Golf sounds great! Plus looking at how similar your numbers are on both sides I feel like that bodes well for you Trackman test.

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[Mike Lambert 270]

On 1/15/2020 at 11:45 AM, Bucky CC said:

That very well could be.  Somewhere earlier in this thread it was mentioned that SuperSpeed also saw similar results when people only trained two days versus three.  For me personally I always tried to do three days a week as a tester but my fastest days were definitely Mondays after having two days of rest over the weekend.

To be honest I got kind of bored with the regular SS protocols.  I stopped the program over the summer but picked the sticks back up again about a month ago when I started the Fit for Golf SuperSpeed program.  Not sure how familiar people are with it but it's a strength and conditioning program that incorporates the SS set before you move on to the weight portion of the workout.  The SS portion is much shorter (36 swings each workout vs 57 for Levels 2 and 3 of the SS protocol) but I feel the overall gains when you include the strength and conditioning portion are greater for your total game than simply doing SS alone.

After taking May through December off I was definitely a little slower with my swings but I'm very close to the max levels I saw after 26 weeks of the SuperSpeed protocol.  I just completed by 4th week of the Fit for Golf program this morning which consisted of 12 total workouts.  Here are my numbers.

The SuperSpeed sticks definitely work but after seeing the results of my new program I think there are different ways each person can maximize their potential.

I purposely didn't include my driver swing speed because I haven't been able to test it fully yet.  Swinging with no ball I saw a very high number using the SS Radar but I don't want to get my hopes up in case that was an outlier.  I have simulator time booked for next Wednesday so we'll see what the Trackman numbers show then.

I just started the Fit for Golf Off Season program this week - I don't have his SS program, so am intending to to the regular SS protocols along with it.  I restarted the SS program in Oct and after the first week was back to where I left off in May (I also abbreviated the first 2 protocols by 2 weeks each).  However, since mid-Dec, I've only been able to get in 2 sessions a week (only one last week) with the holidays and travel for both family and work...same with going to the gym, so speeds have dropped off a couple mph the past 2 weeks.  I am positive that once I get a few weeks into Fit for Golf, and get back to 3 days with SS, I pick things right back up, but it's been killing me that I haven't been able to get a good routine going.

Here's my nerdy spreadsheet (the blue shaded rows are weeks my highs all broke 100, and the red boxes are for individual highs)...a little bit slower than you, but pretty good for me.  I ran across a print out of my swings from when I tried out some drivers in June 2018 (my second year playing), and they were all in the 78 - 82 mph range (mostly down around 78), so I've come a long way:

[revkev 19,414]

Bucky tell us more about Fit for Golf - like others I’ve become convinced that there needs to be a fitness element to maximize or at my age keep gains.
@tchat07 SuperSpeed told us that their data suggested that twice a week is sufficient. I’m reading data that suggests fewer swings are just as effective and much safer.

Like Bucky I followed their rules while being their tester. I’ve started workouts again in the New Year so I just finished my third week. I’m doing twice a week.

Today was the first time that I used the radar (it was missing - we found it when we put away the Christmas decorations.)
It does make a difference - I quickly got my speeds up once I could see how fast (slow) I was swinging. By the end of the workout I was right at where I was the end of level one as a tester - 114,109,101 RH. LH was someone like 113,101,99.

That corresponds to where I’m at on the course - longer than when I started, off where I was at last Spring when I was at my peak numbers - low 120’s with the green,


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[Bucky CC 2,382]

2 hours ago, revkev said:

Bucky tell us more about Fit for Golf - like others I’ve become convinced that there needs to be a fitness element to maximize or at my age keep gains.

There was a forum started that goes over some of the Fit for Golf programs.  I haven't looked at it much lately but people should be able to find out some basic information about Mike Carroll's programs here:

None of the exercises are shocking to think about in a golf sense, but Mike does a great job putting together an easy to follow program with videos to help proper technique.  If you follow them as prescribed you will definitely improve your golf fitness.

[tchat07 503]

Yes the twice a week just feels better on me physically and I also think it'll be easier to maintain.

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[TR1PTIK 2,007]

I just started doing SS in conjunction with one of Cristian Henning’s programs three weeks ago. I do everything in the gym as I’m currently living in an apartment and we have one here with plenty of space for me to swing the clubs. I’ve been doing the protocols 3 days a week as recommended, but in order to do it the gym needs to pretty much be empty. This has created a slight issue at times, but the primary one is that occasionally I will have to wait until after my CH workout to do SS. The other night I did this and was able to achieve some of my fastest speeds across the board which I find very interesting. I can only assume that it’s because my body was completely warmed up and that the program I’m doing isn’t overly exhausting.

[revkev 19,414]

4 minutes ago, TR1PTIK said:

I just started doing SS in conjunction with one of Cristian Henning’s programs three weeks ago. I do everything in the gym as I’m currently living in an apartment and we have one here with plenty of space for me to swing the clubs. I’ve been doing the protocols 3 days a week as recommended, but in order to do it the gym needs to pretty much be empty. This has created a slight issue at times, but the primary one is that occasionally I will have to wait until after my CH workout to do SS. The other night I did this and was able to achieve some of my fastest speeds across the board which I find very interesting. I can only assume that it’s because my body was completely warmed up and that the program I’m doing isn’t overly exhausting.

Have done a few of my SS workouts in the gym there is an issue.  A huge principal of SS is using the ground.  You can't properly use the ground in the gym IMO. 

[edingc 2,820]

1 hour ago, revkev said:

Have done a few of my SS workouts in the gym there is an issue.  A huge principal of SS is using the ground.  You can't properly use the ground in the gym IMO. 

I've noticed this, too. I have a hard time with sneakers on the concrete in my garage unless I sweep very well. Otherwise I'm slipping all over the place.

[B.Boston 2,064]

I've noticed this, too. I have a hard time with sneakers on the concrete in my garage unless I sweep very well. Otherwise I'm slipping all over the place.

My grass in the winter doesn’t help much either. But if I took the ground forces test I’d pass cuz after a few swings there’s no more grass beneath my feet.


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[TR1PTIK 2,007]

6 hours ago, revkev said:

Have done a few of my SS workouts in the gym there is an issue.  A huge principal of SS is using the ground.  You can't properly use the ground in the gym IMO. 

The gym I’m in is carpeted and the shoes I’m wearing have a lot of traction. Unless you’re referring to some level of “give” that could only come from swinging on top of soil, I’m not seeing any issues. It honestly doesn’t feel much different than being in my golf shoes on the range.

[revkev 19,414]

The gym I’m in is carpeted and the shoes I’m wearing have a lot of traction. Unless you’re referring to some level of “give” that could only come from swinging on top of soil, I’m not seeing any issues. It honestly doesn’t feel much different than being in my golf shoes on the range.

If your swings are the same I’m sure you’re fine. Have you tried their ground test yet to be sure you’re using the ground properly?

The gym that I used was not carpeted - that could make a difference


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[TR1PTIK 2,007]

2 hours ago, revkev said:

Have you tried their ground test yet to be sure you’re using the ground properly?

I have not! Didn't even know that was thing so I will definitely look it up. Thanks!

[revkev 19,414]

I should report this here - I'm certain that using the radar again forced me to swing much faster.  I had not experienced any sort of pain from my first couple of weeks of workouts when I didn't use the monitor.  I did a workout on Saturday and certainly am feeling it still today.  I'm glad I'm just doing a Tuesday afternoon, Saturday morning cycle this time around.   I'm also not intending to do any more than 3 swings of any one drill.  I had lots of little nagging aches and pains when I followed the program full bore last year.  I'm trying to a avoid that this time around while notching the speed back up.  I'm also adding in some workouts to help strengthen my legs and core.

[Bucky CC 2,382]

Did you all catch the new SuperSpeed release announced at the PGA Show?  New SuperSpeed C training stick that retails for $99.

"Counterweight training alters the physics of your golf swing by significantly changing the balance point of the golf club and moves mass behind your hands. This allows for significantly faster release speed of the golf club which produces much faster hand and arm speed in your golf swing"

Sounds like it's to be used in addition to the regular sticks and not a direct replacement for them.

Anyone planning on getting one?

[TR1PTIK 2,007]

2 hours ago, Bucky CC said:

Did you all catch the new SuperSpeed release announced at the PGA Show?  New SuperSpeed C training stick that retails for $99.

"Counterweight training alters the physics of your golf swing by significantly changing the balance point of the golf club and moves mass behind your hands. This allows for significantly faster release speed of the golf club which produces much faster hand and arm speed in your golf swing"

Sounds like it's to be used in addition to the regular sticks and not a direct replacement for them.

Anyone planning on getting one?

I was on their site the other day and saw it listed. Not sure I’ll bite. Not now at least.

[revkev 19,414]

5 hours ago, Bucky CC said:

Did you all catch the new SuperSpeed release announced at the PGA Show?  New SuperSpeed C training stick that retails for $99.

"Counterweight training alters the physics of your golf swing by significantly changing the balance point of the golf club and moves mass behind your hands. This allows for significantly faster release speed of the golf club which produces much faster hand and arm speed in your golf swing"

Sounds like it's to be used in addition to the regular sticks and not a direct replacement for them.

Anyone planning on getting one?

I think that I need to strengthen my body so that it handles increased speed before messing with that.

[Bucky CC 2,382]

Back from my Trackman session today.  When I ended stage 2 last spring my max with the SuperSpeed radar was 110 mph and about 105 on a trackman.  Earlier this week I was hitting 118 on the radar and today hit 111.5 mph on the Trackman.  This was also a semi-controlled swing to make sure I was making solid contact and not just swinging for the fences every time.

Overall my average today was 108.6mph.  My only complaint for the session is the facility was using last year's Callaway Chrome Soft balls for the test.  I asked if I could hit some of my own Srixon Z-Stars, but they said that wasn't an option since the Callaways all had metal dots on them to help the Trackman pick up the indoor flight.  Apparenlty they've never heard of Soft = Slow.

 

[tchat07 503]

Back from my Trackman session today.  When I ended stage 2 last spring my max with the SuperSpeed radar was 110 mph and about 105 on a trackman.  Earlier this week I was hitting 118 on the radar and today hit 111.5 mph on the Trackman.  This was also a semi-controlled swing to make sure I was making solid contact and not just swinging for the fences every time.
Overall my average today was 108.6mph.  My only complaint for the session is the facility was using last year's Callaway Chrome Soft balls for the test.  I asked if I could hit some of my own Srixon Z-Stars, but they said that wasn't an option since the Callaways all had metal dots on them to help the Trackman pick up the indoor flight.  Apparenlty they've never heard of Soft = Slow.

 

@buckycc those are some crazy low spin numbers. What is your set up with your driver?

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