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3 hours ago, Pug said:

I am going to replace irons and wedges this year and may also upgrade my fairway woods, and arranged a fitting at a local unaffiliated fitting shop. During the course of the experience I mentioned that I had tried SS last summer, but when I got to the course I was spraying shots all over the place and could no longer hit my fade, so I stopped using the SS and deliberately slowed down my swing to get control back. Before I could finish the fitter jumped in and really trashed the SS as causing nothing but erratic shots for those who used them. Since I wanted to get on his Trackman and get some analysis I shut up about it.

With a range of different weight shafts my 6 iron club head speed ranged from about 66 to 68 mph. Dispersion with the second lightest club which also had the best distance, was no more than 10 yards left and right of centre.

The part of the story the fitter didn’t hear was I was another Trackman the last week of December and my 6 iron club head speed ranged from an average of 60 to 62 mph. On December 29 I started the SS Level 1 protocol again, and 8 weeks later had just graduated to the Level 2 protocol. The fitting was the very next day. From 62 to 68 mph represents an 8.8% increase in club head speed in just 8 weeks.

The other thing I had started doing at the same time was working the Performance Golf Zone “Fix My Slice” training. The dispersion pattern of + or - 10 yards from the centre line puts all of the shots in the fairway. I thank the PGZ training for that.
 

The fitter had virtually no large scale data to support the clubs he had available (CGX, Miura, PGX) and was trying to fit this old man into were in anyway superior to the Mizuno JPX 919 Hotmetals that I am leaning towards. Given his expressed biases I will be getting my irons fitting done elsewhere. I made the appointment with another independent golf equipment retailer for this Thursday, and I will see what they think of the Mizunos and the other irons (Cobra, Ping and TM) I am interested in checking out.

The data will tell the story.

Spraying shots after starting SSG is fairly common, I think.  It happened with this old man!  I'm generally fairly straight with my driver, but during Protocol 1 I experienced misses on the course that put me in the rough... some really in the rough!!  Over time, and the amount of time will vary from person to person, your body gets used to the faster swings, and the control comes back.  

Best of luck on the fitting.  The fitter I went to in October told me that he couldn't fit me into any clubs that would be significantly better than what I'm playing.  Nice to know, but I was willing to spend money for shiny new stuff!!

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7 hours ago, Kenny B said:

Spraying shots after starting SSG is fairly common, I think.  It happened with this old man!  I'm generally fairly straight with my driver, but during Protocol 1 I experienced misses on the course that put me in the rough... some really in the rough!!  Over time, and the amount of time will vary from person to person, your body gets used to the faster swings, and the control comes back.  

Best of luck on the fitting.  The fitter I went to in October told me that he couldn't fit me into any clubs that would be significantly better than what I'm playing.  Nice to know, but I was willing to spend money for shiny new stuff!!

Totally agree with Kenny B. The accuracy will return. It makes sense if you think about it. Which club face will be harder to square at impact?  Your old swing which was only going X miles per hour?  Or you new swing which is going X miles per hour + 10?  I am hoping you chose answer B, because that is the correct answer. With time, you will be able to square up that new found speed just as well as you did before. And always remember that 2 degree mishit that is in the fairway may be in the rough when it is thirty yards longer. Enjoy your fitting and keep up with the swing speed training!  Distance rules in golf. 

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You will probably need different shafts to help with timing  a faster swing. That is his job to help you with that. And the only brands he has are high markup/cost equipment? Sounds like a had previously been a car dealer 

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Spraying shots after starting SSG is fairly common, I think.  It happened with this old man!  I'm generally fairly straight with my driver, but during Protocol 1 I experienced misses on the course that put me in the rough... some really in the rough!!  Over time, and the amount of time will vary from person to person, your body gets used to the faster swings, and the control comes back.  
Best of luck on the fitting.  The fitter I went to in October told me that he couldn't fit me into any clubs that would be significantly better than what I'm playing.  Nice to know, but I was willing to spend money for shiny new stuff!!
Totally agree with Kenny B. The accuracy will return. It makes sense if you think about it. Which club face will be harder to square at impact?  Your old swing which was only going X miles per hour?  Or you new swing which is going X miles per hour + 10?  I am hoping you chose answer B, because that is the correct answer. With time, you will be able to square up that new found speed just as well as you did before. And always remember that 2 degree mishit that is in the fairway may be in the rough when it is thirty yards longer. Enjoy your fitting and keep up with the swing speed training!  Distance rules in golf. 
I'm going to add a third to these. After starting speed training I developed something I'd never seen from me before: a severe case of the hooks. Snap hooks, duck hooks, straight up hooks, hooky hooks, you name it. I missed the fairway more left than I ever thought I could.

I also developed a more negative AOA, having to go to a lower tee in order to keep the crown from developing craters.

Now that I'm back to training after some time off, I'm having to go back to taller tees because I'm now hitting up on the ball and was hitting worm burners.

At least this time the driver is going straighter.

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I'm about a third of the way through the level two protocols now, and I'm going to back it down to twice a week, on days that I'm not otherwise in the gym. Between lifting weights, some running, and the SuperSpeed protocols, I've just been completely wiped trying to get them all done on the same day. The weather is starting to get nicer here, and I'm hoping in about three weeks I'll be able to get back outside for my training. Training indoors sucks, especially on my garage floor which is pretty slick. Very hard to use the ground when you have limited grip.

Additionally, I've been working on some downswing/transition changes with my coach and have seen my speeds decrease a little as I'm somewhat focused on making sure I don't set myself back into bad habits just for the sake of hitting a number on the radar. I know the recommendation is to swing all out without a lot of technical thought, but my big problem is ripping my hips and shoulders open to start the downswing, and in my quest to break records with the sticks, I know I do that from time-to-time.

What I've found interesting is that in trying to maintain slightly more form to my downswing, the green club speeds have come down slightly, while the blue club has stayed mostly the same, and the red club has actually increased slightly. And, in doing dry swings with a spare driver I keep around for speed tests, I've actually seen that number go up, too. 

For some last bits of data, here's some comparison between my last three SuperSpeed sessions and data from my last four range sessions with my FlightScope Mevo. I think the Mevo slightly over-reports club head speed, so I've included ball speed and estimated carry as well. Thought this might be useful for anyone wanting to compare. For the record, these are range balls, so I'm not entirely sure what to expect when I get on the course, but the averages are based up fairly large sample sizes (40-plus shots with each club).

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Please take these with a grain of salt because the Mevo isn't perfect, and the range balls where I practice tend to have great variability in flight, quality, etc.

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On 2/23/2020 at 8:45 AM, joen said:

Totally agree with Kenny B. The accuracy will return. It makes sense if you think about it. Which club face will be harder to square at impact?  Your old swing which was only going X miles per hour?  Or you new swing which is going X miles per hour + 10?  I am hoping you chose answer B, because that is the correct answer. With time, you will be able to square up that new found speed just as well as you did before. And always remember that 2 degree mishit that is in the fairway may be in the rough when it is thirty yards longer. Enjoy your fitting and keep up with the swing speed training!  Distance rules in golf. 

I am completely onboard with your and Kenny B’s comments 👍. The dispersion I am now getting with the six iron would be acceptable if I wasn’t  hitting into a green, and is far better than what I was getting last year when I first tried them. I have every confidence that continued practice with both programs will continue to return positive results until I finally max out on my potential, but I still have more than a year to go with the SS and will wash, rinse and repeat on the PGZ training as long as I have to. I also see it as having remedial value should things start to go astray, as it were, during the season. Thanks for the support guys.

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On 2/23/2020 at 12:12 PM, sirchunksalot said:

I'm going to add a third to these. After starting speed training I developed something I'd never seen from me before: a severe case of the hooks. Snap hooks, duck hooks, straight up hooks, hooky hooks, you name it. I missed the fairway more left than I ever thought I could.

I also developed a more negative AOA, having to go to a lower tee in order to keep the crown from developing craters.

Now that I'm back to training after some time off, I'm having to go back to taller tees because I'm now hitting up on the ball and was hitting worm burners.

At least this time the driver is going straighter.

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I had hooking issues after I got hit by a car 2 years ago. My osteopath predicted this would happen. Then it started up again when the hip was replaced last year. I thought I had it beat when I started up with the SS last summer only to have it return with a vengeance along with a generally erratic dispersion pattern. I think I have a good program underway now with both the SS and PGZ training. Thanks for weighing in- it’s good to know we aren’t alone on this golf ⛳️ adventure.

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I took the plunge on the SuperSpeed C club.

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Kudos to SuperSpeed for insanely fast shipping and delivery. Placed my order around noon yesterday and it arrived just about 1 p.m. today. It ships from Chicago so it did not need to travel too far to reach me, but still impressive nonetheless!

First impression is that $100 is a little steep for what the club is, especially since the original sticks are $200 for three clubs. It's what you would expect - a light weight on the end with a reasonably heavy counterweight grip. Compared to my homemade sticks, static weight feels slightly heavier than my green club, but head weight feels less. Some time I'll get around to measuring each.

I don't mind supporting SuperSpeed since they make their protocols easy to access for people like myself who went the DIY route.

I did the first protocol tonight and you definitely can create more club head speed with the counterweight. Compared to my last few regular workouts, the counterweighted club clocked in at 5-10 MPH faster than the green club for normal, right-handed swings. 

I am going to reach out to the SuperSpeed team on Twitter to see how the numbers should compare. 

 

 

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I’m trying to convince myself that I need this system. Following along with this review I can’t see many reasons why I shouldnt.

Plus I’ll need some “cross training” for my marathon prep.

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23 minutes ago, edingc said:

I took the plunge on the SuperSpeed C club.

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Kudos to SuperSpeed for insanely fast shipping and delivery. Placed my order around noon yesterday and it arrived just about 1 p.m. today. It ships from Chicago so it did not need to travel too far to reach me, but still impressive nonetheless!

First impression is that $100 is a little steep for what the club is, especially since the original sticks are $200 for three clubs. It's what you would expect - a light weight on the end with a reasonably heavy counterweight grip. Compared to my homemade sticks, static weight feels slightly heavier than my green club, but head weight feels less. Some time I'll get around to measuring each.

I don't mind supporting SuperSpeed since they make they're protocols easy to access for people like myself who went the DIY route.

I did the first protocol tonight and you definitely can create more club head speed with the counterweight. Compared to my last few regular workouts, the counterweighted club clocked in at 5-10 MPH faster than the green club for normal, right-handed swings. 

I am going to reach out to the SuperSpeed team on Twitter to see how the numbers should compare. 

 

 

Curious to see your progress before I pull the trigger on this one. Thanks for sharing. 

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1 hour ago, edingc said:

I took the plunge on the SuperSpeed C club.

Kudos to SuperSpeed for insanely fast shipping and delivery. Placed my order around noon yesterday and it arrived just about 1 p.m. today. It ships from Chicago so it did not need to travel too far to reach me, but still impressive nonetheless!

First impression is that $100 is a little steep for what the club is, especially since the original sticks are $200 for three clubs. It's what you would expect - a light weight on the end with a reasonably heavy counterweight grip. Compared to my homemade sticks, static weight feels slightly heavier than my green club, but head weight feels less. Some time I'll get around to measuring each.

I don't mind supporting SuperSpeed since they make they're protocols easy to access for people like myself who went the DIY route.

I did the first protocol tonight and you definitely can create more club head speed with the counterweight. Compared to my last few regular workouts, the counterweighted club clocked in at 5-10 MPH faster than the green club for normal, right-handed swings. 

I am going to reach out to the SuperSpeed team on Twitter to see how the numbers should compare. 

Definitely keep us up to date on your progress.  I've been eyeing the SuperSpeed C but haven't pulled the trigger on it yet.  Like you I thought $100 seemed a little steep for a one club/one day a week addition to the protocols.  Plus I'm saving my golf budget for a Skytrak whenever they have their next $300 off sale. 

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12 minutes ago, Bucky CC said:

Definitely keep us up to date on your progress.  I've been eyeing the SuperSpeed C but haven't pulled the trigger on it yet.  Like you I thougth $100 seemed a little steep for a one club/one day a week addition to the protocols.  Plus I'm saving my golf budget for a Skytrak whenever they have their next $300 off sale.

I saw the temps on your side of the lake and don't blame you for wanting a SkyTrak. I'm going to save some money and try for something like that by next offseason. I've spent a lot on range balls and gas this winter, all of which could easily be saved with the purchase of a sim.

My main reason for purchasing this was that I realized most of my speed was coming from spinning my shoulders out hard. I've been working with my coach to change that, and in doing so, my speed came down a bit. I feel like speeding up the arms might help that.

It's definitely a different/weird feeling compared to the normal sticks. Hard to describe.

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1 hour ago, edingc said:

I took the plunge on the SuperSpeed C club.

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Kudos to SuperSpeed for insanely fast shipping and delivery. Placed my order around noon yesterday and it arrived just about 1 p.m. today. It ships from Chicago so it did not need to travel too far to reach me, but still impressive nonetheless!

First impression is that $100 is a little steep for what the club is, especially since the original sticks are $200 for three clubs. It's what you would expect - a light weight on the end with a reasonably heavy counterweight grip. Compared to my homemade sticks, static weight feels slightly heavier than my green club, but head weight feels less. Some time I'll get around to measuring each.

I don't mind supporting SuperSpeed since they make they're protocols easy to access for people like myself who went the DIY route.

I did the first protocol tonight and you definitely can create more club head speed with the counterweight. Compared to my last few regular workouts, the counterweighted club clocked in at 5-10 MPH faster than the green club for normal, right-handed swings. 

I am going to reach out to the SuperSpeed team on Twitter to see how the numbers should compare. 

Every time I read about the SuperSpeed C, I keep seeing in my mind...    

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Why didn't they come up with another name!!!

 

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Every time I read about the SuperSpeed C, I keep seeing in my mind...    
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Why didn't they come up with another name!!!
 
Best driver ever! You can't convince me otherwise, you also need the SLDR fix!
@edingc great purchase! I can't wait to see how well the C works for you.

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I'm getting back into the SuperSpeed training again, but I'm doing an experiment with the protocol.  When I get some data to report, I'll elaborate.  

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I don't know what's wrong with me, but I swing my driver faster than any of the sticks. All are swings in a row without a ball, using the swing speed radar.

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As someone who just finished the level one protocol ( today ) I'm very interested in the results for the "C" stick.  I wonder if you could modify the green stick with a counter weight ?

I started with a max driver speed of 100mph on the radar and ended this morning at 107.  However,  that is never going to be the swing I take to the course.  It is still great to see how my max speed has increase but at the moment I'm realistically at 104 mph with a playing swing.   I'm confident that it will continue to increase during the level two and three protocol periods and hopefully by June I will achieve a  playing speed of 106-108.   

I'm still searching for training info.   Is there data for resting time between swings, sticks, and position sets ?    Fatigue  definitely sets in much quicker if all the swings and sets are done with little rest in between, and speed decreases.   if it was known to produce better results than taking breaks I would follow the recommendations.  I only seem to find suggestions of  " swing as fast as you can for every swing ".

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On 2/23/2020 at 9:30 AM, Rchang said:

You will probably need different shafts to help with timing  a faster swing. That is his job to help you with that. And the only brands he has are high markup/cost equipment? Sounds like a had previously been a car dealer 

So to continue with the laugh of the day I did go for that fitting and it covered even more brands than I had expected. We (the fitter and I) tested Cobra, Ping, TM, Honma, Titleist, Callaway and Mizuno. Tossing out the outliers and getting down to the top 4 contenders we were left with the G710, Mavrik Max, SIM Max and the Mizuno JPX Hotmetals. In terms of total distance the SIM Max was the best and the G710 the worst by an average difference of 14 yards. It was also 3 yards longer than the Mizuno and 6 yards longer than the Mavrik. As has been observed in another context, it’s not how long you make it, it’s how you make it long, which brings me to the offline data. The G710 averaged -13, the Mavrik was-5, and the SIM was (gasp) -14. And the Mizuno? Drum roll please: +1 yard offline. For comparison my current Aeroburner was +8. So yes, the SIM was 3 yards longer than the Mizuno but with the SIM being -14 yards offline compared to the Mizuno’s +1, you know I plunged for the Mizzies. 
 

The other fitter only had Miura, PXG and KZG clubs. PXG are more expensive than I am prepared to go. As for Miura, I can only dream about hitting blades. That left the KZGs. We tested using the 6 iron and a variety of shafts. Now here’s the punch line: the best result with KZG 6 iron was 10 yards shorter than the Mizuno 7 iron. I can’t provide a valid offline comparison other than to note 66% of the shots were an average of about +7 with the KZG. The actual dispersion ranged between -11 to + 12 yards. Shorter and wider, and I’m not talking about my figure!

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As someone who just finished the level one protocol ( today ) I'm very interested in the results for the "C" stick.  I wonder if you could modify the green stick with a counter weight ?
I started with a max driver speed of 100mph on the radar and ended this morning at 107.  However,  that is never going to be the swing I take to the course.  It is still great to see how my max speed has increase but at the moment I'm realistically at 104 mph with a playing swing.   I'm confident that it will continue to increase during the level two and three protocol periods and hopefully by June I will achieve a  playing speed of 106-108.   
I'm still searching for training info.   Is there data for resting time between swings, sticks, and position sets ?    Fatigue  definitely sets in much quicker if all the swings and sets are done with little rest in between, and speed decreases.   if it was known to produce better results than taking breaks I would follow the recommendations.  I only seem to find suggestions of  " swing as fast as you can for every swing ".
I usually rest between 30 seconds to a minute between each set of swings. I can't remember exactly what SuperSpeed recommended, but I think it might be back earlier in the review. Also, between swings I'll take time to waggle, and pick out a distant target that I pretend to be trying to reach. I feel this gives me motivation to swing as fast as possible.

I watched a video the other night from Mr. Short Game and he was doing way too many reps and swinging non stop and was completely gassed at the end. If you want to see what not to do, I recommend watching it.

Best of luck to you! I have no doubt you'll be hitting it further down the fairway before long.

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There’s a story involving the SS and the law of unintended consequences that I want to share.

I have been fortunate that the gym facility I use has allowed me to use the SS in one of the workout rooms. It happens to be the space with the heavy bags, speed bags, battle ropes and some other gear for the martial arts types to train on. I show up with my skinny little butt and start with the SS stretches and not much happens. Then the magic stix come out and the sound alone garners a lot of attention and usually a couple of questions. Tim, a big guy in his forty’s is one of the trainers and usually works with the body builder crowd. He had spied the SS when I first brought them to the gym and asked me about them. So I told them what they were all about, the stretching routine and protocols and also mentioned that I used them as part of my cardio work out. That piqued his interest. I can get my heart rate up to 92-95% of my theoretical maximum but I do more reps to get there. Yeah I know, it’s more than the protocols call for and the risk is that if you do run out of gas your going to train your body to swing slower. 

Back to the story. Tim mentioned he was doing physical therapy with a golfer and told me he would buy a set to use with the client.

I bumped into him last week while carrying the SS and we had a chat. He described how his client had a number of mobility issues. The client couldn’t rotate far enough to be able to lift the club head passed waist height on the backs swing. Tim adapted the SS as a mobility tool. He started the client lying on his back, knees bent, feet flat on the floor, rotating the SS using the arms and shoulders in a slow motion golf swing above his chest. They worked through each level of SS, then progressed to using the SS while sitting, then kneeling and finally while standing. Tim said his client has achieved a full range of motion with his golf swing. He was so impressed with the dedication and progress made by his client he gave the client the SS as a reward. I was surprised by his generosity, and he quickly added that he had already ordered another set to add to the physio equipment arsenal. 

So I suppose this is another example of the law of unintended consequences. I take the SS to the gym as part of my own mobility rehab and another golfer gets a set as a gift to recognize his own hard work to rehab his swing. Tim is also an occasional golfer and more importantly a good man. Just to prove that no good deed goes unpunished he is going to be invited to play with the Black Hole Gang this summer. Tim’s a bomber. Should be fun.

 

 

 

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