Scotty Cameron putter fans

[NiftyNiblick]

Does this guy simply not believe in non-offset putters?

 

It seems as though he's writing off that entire market segment.

[null]

https://www.scottycameron.com/putters/futura/futura-5s/

[RickyBobby_PR]

What putter company offers zero offset in all of their putters?

 

Offset is part of design to get proper toe hang to match stroke. I recommend checking out the Scotty Cameron YouTube channel and watch the videos that explain every aspect of designs on his putter

[GB13]

A center shafted putter (which Scotty make plenty of) inherently has no offset. I am not sure what you mean?

[cnosil]

Offset is part of design to get proper toe hang to match stroke. I recommend checking out the Scotty Cameron YouTube channel and watch the videos that explain every aspect of designs on his putter

 

Offset really doesn't impact toe hang.   Toe hang is driven by where the shaft would intersect the head and CoG location.  If the shaft intersects closer to the center the more face balanced,  the more toward the heel the more toe hang.  

 

Offset has more impact on alignment and rate of rotation during the stroke.. 

[null]

Offset really doesn't impact toe hang. Toe hang is driven by where the shaft would intersect the head and CoG location. If the shaft intersects closer to the center the more face balanced, the more toward the heel the more toe hang.

 

Offset has more impact on alignment and rate of rotation during the stroke..

Rate of rotation and toe hang are intertwined

[cnosil]

Rate of rotation and toe hang are intertwined

 

Didn't say it wasn't.  Said that offset influences rate of rotation, but not toe hang.   Same shaft position with different offsets will rotate differently.  

[NiftyNiblick]

A center shafted putter (which Scotty make plenty of) inherently has no offset. I am not sure what you mean?

Yes, they do have a few large, center shafted mallets. I give you that.

 

But they could make Newports and the like with 25 different numerical suffixes, and none of them would be non-offset.  I've got several non-offset blades in my putter bag, both heel and center shafted, but none of them is a Scotty.

 

They once made a few Bullseye types but they haven't made them for a while.

 

I never could putt as well with even a partial shaft offset, so my collection has mostly non-offset models.

[GB13]

Yes, they do have a few large, center shafted mallets. I give you that.

 

But they could make Newports and the like with 25 different numerical suffixes, and none of them would be non-offset. I've got several non-offset blades in my putter bag, both heel and center shafted, but none of them is a Scotty.

 

They once made a few Bullseye types but they haven't made them for a while.

 

I never could putt as well with even a partial shaft offset, so my collection has mostly non-offset models.

I'll give you that but 99.99999% of blades have toe hang. The offset goes hand in hand with toe hand, the offset helps you get the face square and release the clubhead.

Hence why there are so few offset blades and none from Scotty.

[cnosil]

I'll give you that but 99.99999% of blades have toe hang. The offset goes hand in hand with toe hand, the offset helps you get the face square and release the clubhead.

Hence why there are so few offset blades and none from Scotty.

 

I have seen research that shows that offset works hand in hand with your stroke to get the face square.  Depending on your stroke needs, you may need more or less offset.  For example,  I need lots of toe hang and minimal offset. If I use a putter with full shaft offset,  I increase my left miss because the offset keeps the face closed to the path through the stroke.

[Shankster]

Paying for a name anyways.

 

I tried one, hated it.

 

Got a $79 Anser and love it.

[RickyBobby_PR]

Paying for a name anyways.

 

I tried one, hated it.

 

Got a $79 Anser and love it.

Interesting since Scotty's and pretty much every putter out there is a take on the anser. Scotty is more than a name is about craftsmanship and passion.

 

Not saying other putter makers out there aren't like that but imo Scotty is on another level

[G0lf]

What makes a good putter is subjective to every golfer...

my criteria priority:

1. Can roll the golf ball on my line - from all distances

2. Has distance control

3. Off center strikes have minimal negative impact 

4. Visually pleasing

5. Brand

[yungkory]

I have one solely because I:

Always wanted one growing up watching Tiger

Think they are pretty.

I throw it in the bag every once in a while when the ER2 goes cold, but otherwise it's a wall hanger and it just makes me feel like I'm no longer a kid wishing I could have one. Now I'm an adult kid with one

[NiftyNiblick]

My putting style was very unsound mechanically. No instructor would approve of it.

We're supposed to have our eyes directly over the ball but I couldn't hit a hole the diameter of a 55 gallon drum doing that.

I had no way of making the putt standing square to the line, either.

I had to stand open to the line and pick a spot at which to putt.

I also liked to reduce break with speed, but that's very dangerous if one overdoes it.

I almost always missed on the high side, but I didn't always leave myself a short enough putt coming back.

This would, even to me, sound like the technique of a twenty-five handicapper,

but for a brief time, I played to seven doing that.

With a non-offset putter.

 

[cnosil]

My putting style was very unsound mechanically. No instructor would approve of it.
We're supposed to have our eyes directly over the ball but I couldn't hit a hole the diameter of a 55 gallon drum doing that.
I had no way of making the putt standing square to the line, either.
I had to stand open to the line and pick a spot at which to putt.
I also liked to reduce break with speed, but that's very dangerous if one overdoes it.
I almost always missed on the high side, but I didn't always leave myself a short enough putt coming back.
This would, even to me, sound like the technique of a twenty-five handicapper,
but for a brief time, I played to seven doing that.
With a non-offset putter.
 

All putting myths. Eyes over the ball, not required, square stance, not required, multiple speeds are available to make a putt. As long as you do the same thing consistently It is the approach of a touring professional.

[JohnSmalls]

On ‎9‎/‎29‎/‎2018 at 8:59 PM, RickyBobby_PR said:

Interesting since Scotty's and pretty much every putter out there is a take on the anser. Scotty is more than a name is about craftsmanship and passion.

 

Not saying other putter makers out there aren't like that but imo Scotty is on another level

and marketing.

[Jmikecpa]

If you want a putter with no toe hang or toe floe then Scotty is not your guy.  The majority of his designs are built on the premise of an arc stroke and trust me I think I own just about one of every model that he has made going back to before he signed with Titleist.  

And his Newport 2.6 is a center shaft non-offset blade.....but still has toe hang to it.  

[NiftyNiblick]

1 hour ago, Jmikecpa said:

If you want a putter with no toe hang or toe floe then Scotty is not your guy.  The majority of his designs are built on the premise of an arc stroke and trust me I think I own just about one of every model that he has made going back to before he signed with Titleist.  

And his Newport 2.6 is a center shaft non-offset blade.....but still has toe hang to it.  

I completely forgot about the 2.6 Newport.

Good call, Jmikecpa.

[chemclub]

14 hours ago, Jmikecpa said:

If you want a putter with no toe hang or toe floe then Scotty is not your guy.  The majority of his designs are built on the premise of an arc stroke

This is right. I remember reading somewhere that Scotty thought he would never make a face balance / no toe hang model. Likely market demand has brought out the scotty face balance models.

It actually makes sense. Because your arms move around your tilted spine, you physically can't make a straight-back-straight-through stroke unless you manipulate your arms and the face. I guess you would need to tilt your spine until it was parallel to the ground until you could physically have a true SBST pendulum swing.

It was for this reason that Scotty thought you should always have some hang.

[NiftyNiblick]

4 hours ago, chemclub said:

This is right. I remember reading somewhere that Scotty thought he would never make a face balance / no toe hang model. Likely market demand has brought out the scotty face balance models.

It actually makes sense. Because your arms move around your tilted spine, you physically can't make a straight-back-straight-through stroke unless you manipulate your arms and the face. I guess you would need to tilt your spine until it was parallel to the ground until you could physically have a true SBST pendulum swing.

It was for this reason that Scotty thought you should always have some hang.

I understand the theory.  You'd need to have a 90º lie angle for a pendulum, straight back and forth stroke.

But in the real world, I could putt much better with no offset and something close to face balance.

Scotty makes beautiful putters for sure, but for other people.

(Maybe the Newport 2.6   or   GoLo S5.)

 

[Jmikecpa]

I understand the theory.  You'd need to have a 90º lie angle for a pendulum, straight back and forth stroke.
But in the real world, I could putt much better with no offset and something close to face balance.
Scotty makes beautiful putters for sure, but for other people.
(Maybe the Newport 2.6   or   GoLo S5.)
 

The S5 and Newport 2.6 have considerable toe hang for a center shafted putter. I have the GoLo in my apartment and can take pictures when I get home if anyone is interested.


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[NiftyNiblick]

3 hours ago, Jmikecpa said:

 

 

The S5 and Newport 2.6 have considerable toe hang for a center shafted putter.

I have the GoLo in my apartment and can take pictures when I get home if anyone is interested.

 

 

 

Nobody thinks that you're lying, Jmikecpa.

We accountants never lie.

[Jmikecpa]

Nobody thinks that you're lying, Jmikecpa.
We accountants never lie.

Not worried about that, just offering for education purposes. A lot of people think that center shafted equals face balanced.


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[JohnSmalls]

18 hours ago, Jmikecpa said:

 

 

Not worried about that, just offering for education purposes. A lot of people think that center shafted equals face balanced.


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I am open for the education, I mistakenly thought a center shaft did mean the putter was face balanced.  

[GB13]

13 minutes ago, JohnSmalls said:

I am open for the education, I mistakenly thought a center shaft did mean the putter was face balanced.  

Yeah, me too. There must be some trick with weighting. The toe side must weight more than the heel. Right? 

[cnosil]

I am open for the education, I mistakenly thought a center shaft did mean the putter was face balanced.  

Yeah, me too. There must be some trick with weighting. The toe side must weight more than the heel. Right? 

 

It is about the location of the CoG. The CoG of a club wants to align with the shaft so move the CoG toward the toe and you get the to to start dropping(toe hang)

 

By moving the CoG you also influence the clubs rate of rotation. The more toward the toe the slower it will rotate.

[MaxEntropy]

6 minutes ago, GB13 said:

Yeah, me too. There must be some trick with weighting. The toe side must weight more than the heel. Right? 

In a simplistic view, if you draw an imaginary line through the center of mass of the head, perpendicular to the face, a putter will be face-balanced if the shaft is attached at any point along that line. Move the shaft slightly off that line and the balance is affected, creating toe hang (moving the other way would create heel hang, but I assume no one wants that). It also works with other neck styles too, but you look at the projection of where the shaft would meet the head if it were extended beyond its mounting point. The virtual mounting point can be in front of the face when the other neck styles create offset.

Changing the weight distribution effects the location of the center of mass so don't confuse geometric centerline with the line through the center of mass.

But you are right: if a shaft is along the geometric centerline of a putter, the toe has to be heavier to get toe hang.

[cnosil]

Move the shaft slightly off that line and the balance is affected, creating toe hang (moving the other way would create heel hang, but I assume no one wants that).

There are putters with heel hang. The odyssey toe up putters, machine made a few, and I am pretty sure some of the Edel putters have heel hang. Can be beneficial depending on how you need the club to respond during the stroke.

[MaxEntropy]

Just now, cnosil said:

 

There are putters with heel hang. The odyssey toe up putters, machine made a few, and I am pretty sure some of the Edel putters have heel hang. Can be beneficial depending on how you need the club to respond during the stroke.

 

Thanks, I did not know that!