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2018 Official Forum Member Review - PING i500 Irons

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Great question. I have to see.
One thing about delofting on the long irons is if you lower the trajectory, you need to make it up with ball speed. That is my understanding.

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Txg had a good video with it, although I don't really remember the result.
Would be interesting to see if that would help with some gapping issues regardless of loosing a bit of ball speed or not.
Hopefully it all gets sorted away... Love your split set though!

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Seems to be a theme just about everywhere (here, YouTube reviewers, etc): the gapping between clubs in this set is off. I'm really surprised a company like Ping would release a set like this.


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Seems to be a theme just about everywhere (here, YouTube reviewers, etc): the gapping between clubs in this set is off. I'm really surprised a company like Ping would release a set like this.
Also one of the tough parts with most fitting areas where you have limited irons (normally 7 iron only) and typically always in standard spec.
In a perfect world you could try every iron and order the spec retro, standard or power to match it all up with your swing.
That being side I found the gapping pretty much spot on with the i210. Very consistent to previous sets I've had and yardages went what I expected. Wonder why so find this to be different with the i500

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Seems to be a theme just about everywhere (here, YouTube reviewers, etc): the gapping between clubs in this set is off. I'm really surprised a company like Ping would release a set like this.

I think the hotter and faster their making these iron these days we are going to see this a lot.


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2 hours ago, jlukes said:

Seems to be a theme just about everywhere (here, YouTube reviewers, etc): the gapping between clubs in this set is off. I'm really surprised a company like Ping would release a set like this.

I had a session on the lm tonight that left me very confused with the numbers


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On 10/28/2018 at 7:34 PM, jlukes said:

Seems to be a theme just about everywhere (here, YouTube reviewers, etc): the gapping between clubs in this set is off. I'm really surprised a company like Ping would release a set like this.

I bought a set of i500s about a month ago, and prior to buying I had a chance to watch all the YouTube videos, etc. and tested and got fit but with just a 7 iron.  I was hesitant because of some of the negative commentary about gapping between clubs and was really concerned about the gap between the PW and my Mizuno T7 gap wedge because from the videos, the biggest complaint seemed to be the gap between the PW and then the next lowest wedge in the set.  I loved the look of the i500s and what I was seeing with the 7 iron so much that I went ahead with the purchase despite my concerns.  

Happily, I have not seen any of the gapping issues mentioned by others, so it does not seem to be a universal problem.  My best advice is to make sure you get fit for these.  Even though my fitting was just with a 7 iron, we really took our time at the fitting and one thing that stands out in my mind is that I tried four different lie angles to make sure the lie was right.  I think this was really important because two of the lie angles were too upright and on each of those heads, the ball tended to go left and tended to go 5 yards farther.  The other two lie angles were very close but the three degree flat brown dot was just a hair too flat.  I ended up with the orange dot which is two flat, which is not too surprising but the stock lie angles in the Pings are different than the stock lie angles in my old set.  It really made a big difference though.  The orange dot is much more accurate, much straighter and not as long as the 1 flat or std lie for me.  With the right fit, I am just not seeing the gapping issues.  My gap wedge goes about 115 - 120 and my PW is at 125-135, 9 iron is 140-145, 8 is about 155-160, 7 is 165-170, 6 is 175-185, so the biggest gap is between my PW and gap wedge, but it's manageable.  If anything, there is a problem where sometimes my 6 iron does not seem to go much farther than my 7 iron and i only hit it  170ish, but I think that is a quality of strike issue more so than a club issue.  I am much better with my shorter irons (probably most people are), and  I tend to dig with my irons and take a big divot.  Occasionally, I am prone to semi fat shots with longer irons because of this.  I don't know how to describe it, they are not fat fat but they have a different feeling and I am sure I am just a fraction behind the ball.  In my old set, my 5 and 6 went almost the same distance and I am sure that is an issue with not consistently getting the ball cleanly with those irons and hitting just a smidge fat.  For that reason, I didn't get a 5 iron in the i500 set and I am currently experimenting with a GAPR mid5, cut one inch shorter than standard.  It goes about 190-195 on average but I can get it out there to 200 at times.  It has a wide sole which helps me not dig too much and provides better consistency so far.

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One other thought I have, not on gaps per se but on distance inconsistencies, is that temperature is a huge factor that can account for the clubs playing one distance one day and a different distance the next.  I live in Maryland and temperatures have bounced around quite a bit over the past month. My i500s arrived on an 85 degree day, and I immediately tried them out at the driving range where I picked them up.  The 9 iron was easily reaching the island green at my local driving range.  For reference, there is a red flag in the middle of the green measured at 147 yards from the hitting bays I normally use.  My shots were mostly just a hair short of the flag so about 140-145ish.  A few days later I went to the range and the temperature was in the upper 50s and I was splashing balls in the water 15-20 yards short of the flag consistently.  A few days later, the temperatures went back up and I was back to the 140-145 distance range I was seeing when my clubs first arrived.  This is a weird time of year temperature wise for a lot of folks with some nice days and some cooler days.  It certainly could explain the differences people are seeing day to day and also indoor vs. outdoor.

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Went out for a round today with the full bag and turned in a decent score since I putted like an animal. That's not what this post is about though. I was motoring along and caught up to the group in front of me (who I hadn't seen all round until 15). Since I didn't want to mess around trying to pass them, I took the opportunity to capture some video for the review. When I got the opportunity to play with @Kanoito  we skipped a good 10-15 balls near the end of the round. Didn't get that on video so I'm coming back to make up for it:

 

 

 

So far, the i500s are doing well on the escapability aspect. Although these were for video, I used similar shots to get out of trouble 3 times throughout the round. Even reached the green on one of them which resulted in a birdie. 

 

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Went out for a round today with the full bag and turned in a decent score since I putted like an animal.

 

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On 10/30/2018 at 4:19 PM, jtnunley1983 said:

One other thought I have, not on gaps per se but on distance inconsistencies, is that temperature is a huge factor that can account for the clubs playing one distance one day and a different distance the next.  I live in Maryland and temperatures have bounced around quite a bit over the past month. My i500s arrived on an 85 degree day, and I immediately tried them out at the driving range where I picked them up.  The 9 iron was easily reaching the island green at my local driving range.  For reference, there is a red flag in the middle of the green measured at 147 yards from the hitting bays I normally use.  My shots were mostly just a hair short of the flag so about 140-145ish.  A few days later I went to the range and the temperature was in the upper 50s and I was splashing balls in the water 15-20 yards short of the flag consistently.  A few days later, the temperatures went back up and I was back to the 140-145 distance range I was seeing when my clubs first arrived.  This is a weird time of year temperature wise for a lot of folks with some nice days and some cooler days.  It certainly could explain the differences people are seeing day to day and also indoor vs. outdoor.

interesting. I think the temperature variance will affect golf ball performance more than the club as the elastomers are more temperature variant than metal.


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How do these clubs feel.. I mean if you closed your eyes would you like, love or hate the feel after the ball was hit? Ping to me has always had a very solid almost comforting feel.. you know the ball was struck well when it was.. 


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How do these clubs feel.. I mean if you closed your eyes would you like, love or hate the feel after the ball was hit? Ping to me has always had a very solid almost comforting feel.. you know the ball was struck well when it was.. 

I would say they feel like the cast iron Ping feel. That’s not a bad thing, but it’s not the normal great Forged feeling.


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I could feel the difference between a hit and a miss easily enough,

but I could NEVER feel the difference between cast stainless steel and forged carbon steel.

 

Enough people talk about it that it must be real,

but I swear, I couldn't feel it.

If anything, I thought the forged felt more harsh, but that was only because the unforgiving design of many

forged irons meant that I felt more mis-hit vibration.

 

With graphite absorbing some of the shock, it's even harder to feel the difference from good hits and mediocre ones,

never mind forged or cast. 

 

To make things more complicated, cast carbon steel wedges are common now,

and some companies like the old Kenneth Smith made stainless forgings which I imagine was hard to do.

 

 


 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, NiftyNiblick said:

I could feel the difference between a hit and a miss easily enough,

but I could NEVER feel the difference between cast stainless steel and forged carbon steel.

 

Enough people talk about it that it must be real,

but I swear, I couldn't feel it.

If anything, I thought the forged felt more harsh, but that was only because the unforgiving design of many

forged irons meant that I felt more mis-hit vibration.

 

With graphite absorbing some of the shock, it's even harder to feel the difference from good hits and mediocre ones,

never mind forged or cast. 

 

To make things more complicated, cast carbon steel wedges are common now,

and some companies like the old Kenneth Smith made stainless forgings which I imagine was hard to do.

 

 

I'd say a lot of it comes down to the definition of "feel".
I would argue that if you can detach the sensation through your hands from everything else, then I'm with you that there is almost no difference between a completely clean hit with a forged or non-forged club (though in theory there is still some difference but it's miniscule to the extent you might feel it).
However, for a lot of people "feel" is the overall perception of impact and sound plays into the mental appreciation of the physical feedback. There is generally a very different sound between forged and non-forged clubs and that heavily plays towards what you distinguish in the feeling.

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11 hours ago, Har in the Hat said:

interesting. I think the temperature variance will affect golf ball performance more than the club as the elastomers are more temperature variant than metal.

I think you are right that it is the golf ball the temperature is affecting, as I remember reading an article about temperature and distance some time ago. 

I guess I didn't make my point in a very clear way.  What I was trying to suggest is that on 85 degree day vs. a 55 degree day, that's a 30 degree difference and the ball was flying noticeably shorter.  I would not consider a 9 iron that goes one yardage on a warm day vs. another yardage on a day 30 degrees cooler as providing inconsistent distance control.  I just wanted to point that out, as I noticed a few comments where people were saying they hit the i500s on one day and then got a completely different results some other day.   On the other hand, if it's going one yardage one day and then, everything else being equal, going a different distance another day or at various points throughout the same round of golf, then that of course would be different. 

This comment has nothing to do with gaps between clubs, which I understand lots of people have had problems with.  Like I said in my earlier comment, I was really worried about the gaps when i bought my set based on the YouTubers of the world - I think both Shiels and Crossfield commented on the gapping, especially towards the bottom of the set.  This comment is just me thinking out loud about some of the different results with the same club from day to day when the temperature has been sort of all over the place.

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1 hour ago, Jon Brittan said:

I'd say a lot of it comes down to the definition of "feel".
I would argue that if you can detach the sensation through your hands from everything else, then I'm with you that there is almost no difference between a completely clean hit with a forged or non-forged club (though in theory there is still some difference but it's miniscule to the extent you might feel it).
However, for a lot of people "feel" is the overall perception of impact and sound plays into the mental appreciation of the physical feedback. There is generally a very different sound between forged and non-forged clubs and that heavily plays towards what you distinguish in the feeling.

I completely agree with this.  The i500s have a nice solid "feel" on flushed shots and miss hits are noticeable.  I would say compared to other forged clubs they "feel" overall a bit harsher, but I cannot say if it is due to what I feel in my hands, the sound they make, or a combination of both.  Since these are hollow headed irons, there is a difference in sound.  The difference in sound is less noticeable outdoors but very noticeable hitting indoors or even under a covered outdoor driving range.  Not sure if that helps explain how the i500s "feel" overall, but those are my thoughts.

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Had another lesson and even got out for 9 today. We talked about some of the gaps and  inconsistencies I was having with certain clubs of the set. Towards the end of the lesson i had a “ah ha” moment and realized my timing was way off. I was rushing my downswing. Once I started “waiting” for the club before starting the downswing I was hitting it much better. 

I was still worried about how little spin it seemed I was getting with the clubs and how they’d hold when hitting into greens. Especially the longer shots. What good is being able to hit a 6i almost 200 if I can hold a green. Well playing might have calmed those thoughts for now. I did hit the green twice from 185 and had 20ish foot long putts left

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Rob,

Any feedback from Ping about the reviews or do manufactures prefer not to comment?


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Any feedback from Ping about the reviews or do manufactures prefer not to comment?

They do read (at least I know PING does) them. But generally they are so busy with handling reviews for several dozen reviewers and doing their regular PING jobs, they don’t usually have time to offer much feed back.

But know they take it in and appreciate the efforts and info.


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ok.

thanks

 


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