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4 minutes ago, GolfSpy STUDque said:

 

 


Without some big cash flow, I doubt MGS will be able to sponsor official course reviews like this. If it pleases the court, I could put together a standard review template for unofficial course reviews. These would be posted into a master review thread like we have for golf balls. Folks could review their home course or other courses as they travel to share the goodness with the rest of us.

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Thanks to everyone that has submitted input thus far. There's definitely some great stuff in here. Keep it coming!

 

 

I think MBP has one from a few years ago

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4 minutes ago, GolfSpy STUDque said:

 

 


Without some big cash flow, I doubt MGS will be able to sponsor official course reviews like this. If it pleases the court, I could put together a standard review template for unofficial course reviews. These would be posted into a master review thread like we have for golf balls. Folks could review their home course or other courses as they travel to share the goodness with the rest of us.

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Thanks to everyone that has submitted input thus far. There's definitely some great stuff in here. Keep it coming!

 

 

I think there should be master review each in each regional forums areas.  That way, if people are looking for courses to play in a specific area, they know where they could find potential reviews.

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1 hour ago, GolfSpy STUDque said:

 

 


Without some big cash flow, I doubt MGS will be able to sponsor official course reviews like this. If it pleases the court, I could put together a standard review template for unofficial course reviews. These would be posted into a master review thread like we have for golf balls. Folks could review their home course or other courses as they travel to share the goodness with the rest of us.

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Thanks to everyone that has submitted input thus far. There's definitely some great stuff in here. Keep it coming!

 

 

That's what I was thinking.  We have all probably done a cursory review of courses that we've played in several threads.  Reviews are hard to find, and if I'm traveling somewhere, I'm not going to spend a lot of time trying to find a review scattered all over the site.  I know we have a Golf Course Review & travel forum, but it needs to be expanded to include states and areas of the country.  I like the threads posted there, but a forum guide/template posted in the appropriate sections would be great!!

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I would throw in my $.02 for well, really nothing. I don’t have any suggestions.

 

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I would like to see testing on how different tee boxes impact scoring - in other words what is the average strokes gained/lost relative to the tee boxes chosen. I have read different things in the past but not from a place as unbiased as MGS. It would be interesting what impacts it more - handicap or length or a combination.

I know there are many variables to consider but it would be interesting to see data on that.

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15 hours ago, jlukes said:

I think there should be master review each in each regional forums areas.  That way, if people are looking for courses to play in a specific area, they know where they could find potential reviews.

Great idea. Mod's as an example I belong to a boating forum (THT) that has regional forums - you might want to see how they do it.

I noticed we do have a number of members from Ohio/Michigan, Maryland area, Georgia, and Florida. We could start there and provide course descriptions/personal ratings, great golf shops,etc.  This would also benefit those of us that are traveling to those areas for golfing vacations. Probably wouldn't take much programming to change the current tab to Regional Reviews and create a sub forum for the area. 

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On 10/20/2018 at 6:33 PM, jlukes said:

I think a great change for reviews would be to make sure the reviewers are actively discussing their experience as they go along. The stage one and twos are nice summaries, but often time all momentum for discussion is long gone by the time the stage 2s roll around.

Live posts during rounds, small posts after practice sessions and just general thoughts should be constantly posted by the reviewer. It engages the readers/members much more and promotes discussion rather than the blog-post like stage 1 and 2s that I'd wager very few people read entirely

Agree with this one. My Stage 2 on the i500 was ready weeks ago, but we were asked to wait until this week to post online. I gotta do it anyways, cause I'm going on vacation next week.
But people test at their own tempo, some might take 1 week off and squeeze 10 rounds of golf while others can only play 2 rounds each weekend.

So perhaps just let people post their Stage 2 when they are ready so the thread can be kept alive.

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1 hour ago, Kanoito said:

Agree with this one. My Stage 2 on the i500 was ready weeks ago, but we were asked to wait until this week to post online. I gotta do it anyways, cause I'm going on vacation next week.
But people test at their own tempo, some might take 1 week off and squeeze 10 rounds of golf while others can only play 2 rounds each weekend.

So perhaps just let people post their Stage 2 when they are ready so the thread can be kept alive.

Unfortunately when you have a big event going on aka cobra connect. You have to push things back because that gets a ton of attention and devotion. 

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If I could drop my own .02 about testing structure...

So, I got picked for ST-180 Testing and put my time and heart and soul into that thing. Rob is right, sometimes you're at the mercy of the company as it took some time before our orders were placed and delivered, but sometimes you're also at the mercy of luck and other opportunities. When our test was starting Cobra Connect was in the middle of it's run and Ping and Cleveland Driver testing just ended. There was a small window to capitalize on the momentum and we did our best, but sometimes stuff just happens. We tried to pull everyone through that thread through posing questions and what not, but we lost the momentum and never got it back.

I guess what I'm saying there is perhaps just better spacing on club reviews, different things for different folks, trying not to have multiple similar reviews going on at the same time. However, again, you're at the mercy of the companies on this one.

Second, as mentioned earlier, I love that the mods have made a concerted effort on thread combining and relocation, but we can do better collectively. It's thankless work that gets done and I appreciate the effort, but sometimes stuff just gets lost in the shuffle, or it can be confusing to determine what goes where. I know I asked for a couple of my Most Wanted results threads as to where things should go to get the most traction. Perhaps that's more on us than the mods, knowing to post club questions in the US Equipment or general sports q's like the Khaili Mack thread that was in the 19th Hole, because we can do better and we shouldn't need to rely on the mods to bail us out of easily avoidable things.

Third, I'm gonna second JLukes' idea for a master review thread for the regions. That's smart and would be really cool to learn more about where ya'll like to play and what you like in a golf course.

Finally, and maybe this is a bit out there, perhaps a thread or even a sub-forum exclusively for social media golf posts? A round-up of stuff like from your reviewers and testers, coaches, and just nifty stuff from Youtube and Instagram that some of us might miss and could also bring discussion about that stuff. Not sure how it would be implemented though and may take some stuff away from 19th Hole in the long run.

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28 minutes ago, bergtaur said:

If I could drop my own .02 about testing structure...

So, I got picked for ST-180 Testing and put my time and heart and soul into that thing. Rob is right, sometimes you're at the mercy of the company as it took some time before our orders were placed and delivered, but sometimes you're also at the mercy of luck and other opportunities. When our test was starting Cobra Connect was in the middle of it's run and Ping and Cleveland Driver testing just ended. There was a small window to capitalize on the momentum and we did our best, but sometimes stuff just happens. We tried to pull everyone through that thread through posing questions and what not, but we lost the momentum and never got it back.

I guess what I'm saying there is perhaps just better spacing on club reviews, different things for different folks, trying not to have multiple similar reviews going on at the same time. However, again, you're at the mercy of the companies on this one.

Second, as mentioned earlier, I love that the mods have made a concerted effort on thread combining and relocation, but we can do better collectively. It's thankless work that gets done and I appreciate the effort, but sometimes stuff just gets lost in the shuffle, or it can be confusing to determine what goes where. I know I asked for a couple of my Most Wanted results threads as to where things should go to get the most traction. Perhaps that's more on us than the mods, knowing to post club questions in the US Equipment or general sports q's like the Khaili Mack thread that was in the 19th Hole, because we can do better and we shouldn't need to rely on the mods to bail us out of easily avoidable things.

Third, I'm gonna second JLukes' idea for a master review thread for the regions. That's smart and would be really cool to learn more about where ya'll like to play and what you like in a golf course.

Finally, and maybe this is a bit out there, perhaps a thread or even a sub-forum exclusively for social media golf posts? A round-up of stuff like from your reviewers and testers, coaches, and just nifty stuff from Youtube and Instagram that some of us might miss and could also bring discussion about that stuff. Not sure how it would be implemented though and may take some stuff away from 19th Hole in the long run.

Some really good thoughts there Berg...thanks for chiming in.   Seems the master regional threads is a definite want from the majority of the forum and is on our list!    I really like your last thought as well! 

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My main suggestion has been covered by others, finding reviews would be so much easier if they were broken down into club types and year.

Year, equipment type (driver, irons, wedges, putters, balls, everything else.)

We had so many reviews this year it was hard to keep track.

Course reviews by country and region would be great, but would need a reasonably standard format


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Some great suggestions here and I echo most comments.

As MGS's reason for being is about independent testing with no marketing hype, an organised testing thread based on year/month/manufacturer and equipment type would help people zero in on their current interest. If it's easier to find they will come back everytime to see what 'normal' golfers really think of a product as opposed to just googling for reviews and finding paid for advertising or magazine reviews that never tell the real story but just regurgitate the OEM's marketing guff in their own speak.

 

I had an idea about testing, particularly for the high ticket items but not sure it would go down very well, plus I've not really thought through the pro's and con's yet, so here goes...

When testers are chosen for an expensive driver or more expensive set of the latest irons would it be an idea to have the testers pay MGS a refundable commitment pledge of say $50. This would be returned to the individual after stage 2's are completed satisfactorily. Like I say I've not thought it through and it might cause some internal issues as there is money involved and we all know the route of evil lives there.

Next, would it be prudent for any testers to be 'given' an MGS headcover/putter cover/pitch repairer or similar (1 item) which states 'MGS TESTER', gives bragging rights, increases MGS profile, it's a badge of honour and a talking point with fellow players and might overall increase site traffic and forum numbers. Again it would only be provided after completion of stage 2's.

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3 hours ago, perseveringgolfer said:

Next, would it be prudent for any testers to be 'given' an MGS headcover/putter cover/pitch repairer or similar (1 item) which states 'MGS TESTER', gives bragging rights, increases MGS profile, it's a badge of honour and a talking point with fellow players and might overall increase site traffic and forum numbers. Again it would only be provided after completion of stage 2's.

I like this idea!

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3 hours ago, perseveringgolfer said:

When testers are chosen for an expensive driver or more expensive set of the latest irons would it be an idea to have the testers pay MGS a refundable commitment pledge of say $50. This would be returned to the individual after stage 2's are completed satisfactorily. Like I say I've not thought it through and it might cause some internal issues as there is money involved and we all know the route of evil lives there.

Next, would it be prudent for any testers to be 'given' an MGS headcover/putter cover/pitch repairer or similar (1 item) which states 'MGS TESTER', gives bragging rights, increases MGS profile, it's a badge of honour and a talking point with fellow players and might overall increase site traffic and forum numbers. Again it would only be provided after completion of stage 2's. 

I haven't really noticed any issues that may require a deposit - I think they choose testers carefully which limits the risk of of people taking the goods and not following through. I know there have been issues in the past, but I don't think $50 will necessarily dissuade someone from being shady, especially when we are talking about over $2000 worth of stuff for full bag tests. Just my opinion, of course.

I love the second point - very cool idea. It may not be feasible given the number of testers over the course of the year, but it is a great idea.

By the way, you misspelled honor. 🤣

EDIT: I agree with all those who have posted that a little different organization of the review threads might be helpful. There was so much testing this year that at times it was difficult to follow, so I tended to follow the reviews I was most interested in rather than all of them. I would think if a person is interested in drivers, they should be able to find all the driver reviews easily, in one place.

I don't recall who brought it up (perhaps a few), but regarding some format changes in stage1/stage 2 to increase interest, I'm not really sure much change is needed, maybe just some fine-tuning. I really like the stage 1's since it gives us a chance to get to "know" our online friends better and I tend to think the product itself is really what is going to provide most of the traction for a review.

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4 hours ago, perseveringgolfer said:

 

Next, would it be prudent for any testers to be 'given' an MGS headcover/putter cover/pitch repairer or similar (1 item) which states 'MGS TESTER', gives bragging rights, increases MGS profile, it's a badge of honour and a talking point with fellow players and might overall increase site traffic and forum numbers. Again it would only be provided after completion of stage 2's.

Just a thought.

I like the 'MGS Tester' headcover or bag tag (after stage 2) that creates visibility and get other playing partners to ask questions. Not so much the 50. 'deposit'  I think in the scheme of things people that won't participate in the stages it won't matter. 

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51 minutes ago, tony@CIC said:

I like the 'MGS Tester' headcover or bag tag (after stage 2) that creates visibility and get other playing partners to ask questions. Not so much the 50. 'deposit'  I think in the scheme of things people that won't participate in the stages it won't matter. 

Tony I agree plus the money thing can get real finicky. I love the head cover idea even if it's just available for a tester to buy.

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Of course, we'd need different "MGS Tester" headcovers depending on what we tested. Those who tested woods and putters are already set, but I can't wait to get a sweet set of MGS neoprene headcovers on my G700 irons :)

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I could see this headcover idea gaining a lot of traction!

I know I'd love one... Even if it was for my driver despite testing irons. Id probably get a patch made up for "2018 Ping i210"

 

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Mine seems simple. I read in my phone 99.9% of the time. When I read an article in the blog section at the end it say “read full article.” sometimes therses to be more, sometimes not. Can we get rid of this?
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What about a real travel section? I really love the thread about where spy’s eat. I am also writing up a travelogue about the trip to Bethpage that also brought me to the Lab. It would be cool if there were a Travel Review and planning/ implementing specific space for those traveling


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Mine seems simple. I read in my phone 99.9% of the time. When I read an article in the blog section at the end it say “read full article.” sometimes therses to be more, sometimes not. Can we get rid of this?
Good luck with the upcoming wedge reviews and plans I learned about during my visit to LabX. You guys were awesome and way too generous. The only thing missing, r/t location, was Tony. It was like walking into a movie/tv show and meeting all the characters you have seen and read so many times


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9 hours ago, perseveringgolfer said:

Some great suggestions here and I echo most comments.

As MGS's reason for being is about independent testing with no marketing hype, an organised testing thread based on year/month/manufacturer and equipment type would help people zero in on their current interest. If it's easier to find they will come back everytime to see what 'normal' golfers really think of a product as opposed to just googling for reviews and finding paid for advertising or magazine reviews that never tell the real story but just regurgitate the OEM's marketing guff in their own speak.

 

I had an idea about testing, particularly for the high ticket items but not sure it would go down very well, plus I've not really thought through the pro's and con's yet, so here goes...

When testers are chosen for an expensive driver or more expensive set of the latest irons would it be an idea to have the testers pay MGS a refundable commitment pledge of say $50. This would be returned to the individual after stage 2's are completed satisfactorily. Like I say I've not thought it through and it might cause some internal issues as there is money involved and we all know the route of evil lives there.

Next, would it be prudent for any testers to be 'given' an MGS headcover/putter cover/pitch repairer or similar (1 item) which states 'MGS TESTER', gives bragging rights, increases MGS profile, it's a badge of honour and a talking point with fellow players and might overall increase site traffic and forum numbers. Again it would only be provided after completion of stage 2's.

Just a thought.

Good idea on the headcovers for testers.

As others have said, overall the number of people who take the product and don't fulfill the review obligations are very very rare.  So a deposit probably isn't needed!  We're lucky to have such quality people as members...for many reasons. 

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1 hour ago, kingcscott said:


Also, sorry I told you guys my handle was “kingotheworldma”. Oops. That was my handle on that other place where everyone can hit a PW 180 and a driver a cool mile.


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shouldnt it have been TopOfTheWorldMa if you are referring to Jimmy Cagney 

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So many great ideas!

The two that I haven’t seen that could be considered are:

The return of the Member of the Month or MoM. I thought that was a really fun award - loved when I won it and enjoyed the other winners also.

Also we had some features about tour players. I’d love to see more of those particularly about the equipment that they are gaming and why. It would be very interesting to see a couple of LPGA players featured as well. Again including the equipment they use and why.


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I would love to see a direct to consumer golf ball test compared to a baseline top brand golf ball (Pro V1). With so many brands and options out there, which would perform best for my game? I never played a Snell or vice or cut golf ball until I finally bought a dozen Snell on Amazon. They perform very similar to the TP5X in my opinion so that got me wondering about other brands out there. I know that would be a tedious test but I would fly to Newport News and donate my time for this test! 10,000 swings? You got it.

Also for product reviews, something simple to add to help someone reading is to add handicap/skill level at the beginning of the review for each stage. I'll read a stage two on something and then realize this guy isn't in the same boat as me skill wise. I'd rather focus on someone with a similar playing level to me.


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We don't seem to have very many ladies participating - perhaps a section or forum topic that would appeal to them? 

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1 hour ago, tony@CIC said:

We don't seem to have very many ladies participating - perhaps a section or forum topic that would appeal to them? 

Yeah, that is not just the case here but on the other two big Fourms as well.  I was a member of both them for several years and still pop into both and I can count on one hand the number of active females on both sites combined. 

I think it was discussed on one of them and one female said among her friends, they just didn't' get talking on the internet to strangers, regardless if it was golf, shopping, cooking, kids...etc.   that said they tend to flock to Facebook.  I guess because there they are keeping up with relatives and friends, versus arranging to travel out of town to play golf for two or three days with guy/ladies you've never met.  

So all that said, i don't think there are any particular thread topics that would draw them to the site.  But if Im wrong and one of them wants to speak up, we'd love to hear it.  We had only one active woman member early in the year that was part of the Snell test, but after that she kinda disappeared.  

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17 minutes ago, GolfSpy Rob said:

Yeah, that is not just the case here but on the other two big Fourms as well.  I was a member of both them for several years and still pop into both and I can count on one hand the number of active females on both sites combined. 

I think it was discussed on one of them and one female said among her friends, they just didn't' get talking on the internet to strangers, regardless if it was golf, shopping, cooking, kids...etc.   that said they tend to flock to Facebook.  I guess because there they are keeping up with relatives and friends, versus arranging to travel out of town to play golf for two or three days with guy/ladies you've never met.  

So all that said, i don't think there are any particular thread topics that would draw them to the site.  But if Im wrong and one of them wants to speak up, we'd love to hear it.  We had only one active woman member early in the year that was part of the Snell test, but after that she kinda disappeared.  

Probably true.  I keep my wife up to speed on threads that I think she might be interested in (she knows some of you by name!).  She is mostly glued to Facebook.

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