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So I've been curious about this - and had suggested on #AskMyGolfSpy to test putter shafts - and received this email from Breakthrough Golf Technology (copied in below) about how their Stability shaft can lead to better putts.

 

They also link to a review from TXG...

 https://youtu.be/bIuUHrnUDiU

 

So...

• Anyone tried one of these?

 

• Did you see a difference in your putting?

 

 

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Which is Better to Lower Scores, Driver or Putter?

 

Seems like golfers won't hesitate to spend $500 on a new driver. But in reality, the best way to shoot lower scores is with your putter.

 

 

The putter shaft is the engine of all putters. Putting is 46% of the game, so most golfers will save significantly more strokes with improved putting vs. how many fairways they hit. In fact, the fastest way to lower scores is to have a putter shaft that will produce consistent results every time you putt.

 

 

The truth is that there hasn't been any technology or innovation in steel putter shafts for over 50+ years. It's a simple steel pipe. Over the years, head designs for putters have evolved and gotten dramatically heavier. This has resulted in shafts that are not stable enough to keep these heavier, advanced putter heads from oscillating, twisting and turning.

 

 

Your steel putter shaft can actually miss a putt; even with a good stroke. And practicing with a steel putter shaft will have you reacting to its flaws rather than your stroke. This is regardless of your brand or style of putter, skill level or how much you practice.

 

 

The Stability Shaft removes inconsistencies that current putter shafts have and helps compensate for mistakes golfers make. It limits unwanted movement by stiffening the shaft by 25% without abolishing feel and reducing torque by almost 50%, to deliver the club face squarer at impact. 

 

 

Stability will help unleash your full putting potential. In fact, industry putting expert, Jim MacKay states that it's "impossible not to putt better with the Stability Shaft.”

 

 

 

Watch the TXG Tour Experience Golf Review HERE

 

Fastest growing putter shaft on the PGA, Champions, web.com & LPGA Tours

 

 

90% of golfers say Stability had a more solid feel

 

 

56% immediately experience an improvement in putting

 

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Yea I have definitely been intrigued by this shaft, especially after watching the TXG video a few weeks ago 

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I think putter shafts are an untapped technology area and when they are marketed they have 2 problems. The first is that they are generally cost prohibitive. The second is that most people don’t think a putter or much about the putter can be improved with technology. There are some truths to both of those statements but for putting I think I the benefits are more long term than individual shot based which makes it hard for people to see a true benefit.

With other clubs we see increased distance, better launch conditions, or better control. Selling better distance control or better start line is a hard think to show without thinks like a Puttlab; which most places don’t have available.

The think that makes sense is that for heavier heads, there may be some variation in how the putter squares at impact with this shaft versus a traditional shaft The question is how consistent is that variability across putts.

If the stability shaft helps return the putter to the correct position at impact with better speed control, it will definitely improve performance long term. Reasoning: if I am better at controlling speed and starting the ball on line, I will improve my green reading over time because I have a better result to evaluate the next putt. This is why I say it isn’t an immediate improvement; my historical knowledge is still referencing putts that don’t start on the correct line which impacts my read.

The follow on question would be can you find a less expensive putter that allows you to control line and speed better. I yes, the shaft isn’t worth the cost.

Just my $0.02

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I think putter shafts are an untapped technology area and when they are marketed they have 2 problems. The first is that they are generally cost prohibitive. The second is that most people don’t think a putter or much about the putter can be improved with technology. There are some truths to both of those statements but for putting I think I the benefits are more long term than individual shot based which makes it hard for people to see a true benefit.

With other clubs we see increased distance, better launch conditions, or better control. Selling better distance control or better start line is a hard think to show without thinks like a Puttlab; which most places don’t have available.

The think that makes sense is that for heavier heads, there may be some variation in how the putter squares at impact with this shaft versus a traditional shaft The question is how consistent is that variability across putts.

If the stability shaft helps return the putter to the correct position at impact with better speed control, it will definitely improve performance long term. Reasoning: if I am better at controlling speed and starting the ball on line, I will improve my green reading over time because I have a better result to evaluate the next putt. This is why I say it isn’t an immediate improvement; my historical knowledge is still referencing putts that don’t start on the correct line which impacts my read.

The follow on question would be can you find a less expensive putter that allows you to control line and speed better. I yes, the shaft isn’t worth the cost.

Just my $0.02
That was more than 2¢ worth of ideas and comments! Some good thoughts in there, thx.

It is a tough thing to evaluate.

But... Just musing "out loud"... Many players will buy a whole new putter if they've got the idea in their head it's going to help them make more putts.

So... What if instead of a whole putter you took a player who has a properly fit putter and swapped in this shaft - into the current head and set to match their fitting specs...?
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There is definitely something to say about the technology.  I think it comes down to price point and tour adoption at this point.  

Also, isn't Odyssey releasing their new line of putters with their take on a more stable putting shaft?

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24 minutes ago, jlukes said:

There is definitely something to say about the technology.  I think it comes down to price point and tour adoption at this point.  

Also, isn't Odyssey releasing their new line of putters with their take on a more stable putting shaft?

That is at least the assumption with the Stroke Lab line

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I went through a SAM lab “confirmation” for my Edel fitting at Club Champion and we talked about this shaft. General feedback from the fitter was did this cure the ills of a person putting to the point it’s s worth the cost? That comes down to personal choice. For me, no way. It doesn’t make THAT much of a difference for me to justify it. It’s how I view putters and their cost, generally. It’s like all things, some will swear by it and justify the cost, others won’t.

 

 

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Watched the video... Lack of comparison to another shaft is a fail.


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Buddy of mine put one in as soon as they can out, supposed to be the best, at 200 bones it better be good, I tried it a couple times, it seemed like another putter shaft. After trying it a couple times, there’s no way I spending that kind of cash on a putter shaft that isn’t really all that. 

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4 hours ago, cksurfdude said:

That was more than 2¢ worth of ideas and comments! Some good thoughts in there, thx.

It is a tough thing to evaluate.

But... Just musing "out loud"... Many players will buy a whole new putter if they've got the idea in their head it's going to help them make more putts.

So... What if instead of a whole putter you took a player who has a properly fit putter and swapped in this shaft - into the current head and set to match their fitting specs...?

It is tough to evaluate and if you are a putters shouldn't cost more than $100 a $200 shaft isn't going to make sense.  I would love to try one and see what it can do.  

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The main reason for this shaft is to be more stable right? Why not just cut down a X-stiff driver shaft like BD? That will take all of the instability out of it. 

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On 10/25/2018 at 6:00 PM, PMookie said:

Watched the video... Lack of comparison to another shaft is a fail.


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Which has been my main issue with those two guys on TXG.  They could easily have made putts with a standard steel shaft and that head and then the CF shaft and compared the results.  Yet they go on and on for 30 minutes talking about something that could be done in 10 minutes.  I so much want to watch them but too much yap, yap, yap.

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The main reason for this shaft is to be more stable right? Why not just cut down a X-stiff driver shaft like BD? That will take all of the instability out of it. 


There really isn’t a lot of info on the shaft but my guess would be the feel would change with a graphite shaft. ACCRA makes graphite putter shafts that you select based on tempo. They have been around for a while and are $100. The limited reviews I have read on the shaft are pretty generic and non descript.

I am also interested in learning more about the new Odyssey shaft that is on their new stroke lab putters. Supposed to be similar in concept to the breakthrough technology shaft.
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12 hours ago, cnosil said:

It is tough to evaluate and if you are a putters shouldn't cost more than $100 a $200 shaft isn't going to make sense.  I would love to try one and see what it can do.  

I am wanting to try one too but want to see a couple more tests. If it does close to what they claim then I'm all in and throwing this in my ER2 with a P2 grip to create a Cheat Stick!

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I went through a SAM lab “confirmation” for my Edel fitting at Club Champion and we talked about this shaft. General feedback from the fitter was did this cure the ills of a person putting to the point it’s s worth the cost? That comes down to personal choice. For me, no way. It doesn’t make THAT much of a difference for me to justify it. It’s how I view putters and their cost, generally. It’s like all things, some will swear by it and justify the cost, others won’t.
 
 
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Good point - I think your comments kinda dovetail with cnosil's eg. it's hard to quantify .. even within a putter fitting .. the value, or not, probably has to be _carefully_ tracked over time / over many rounds...
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The main reason for this shaft is to be more stable right? Why not just cut down a X-stiff driver shaft like BD? That will take all of the instability out of it. 
I'm not sure, just guessing, but are putter shafts heavier and have less taper?
(If so you'd end up with something very different than intended.)

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Watched the video... Lack of comparison to another shaft is a fail.


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Agreed.
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Not sure if anyone saw the below MGS Tweet,  but was at the lab doing some testing so I thought I would give the stability shaft a try.  After reading other reviews I thought there had to be more to it since they were pretty generic.  MY take is that they are generic for a reason, it is hard to describe what or if the shaft is doing anything.  I tried rolling short and long putts and felt like my results with each were the same.  They do feel different but really hard to describe how they feel different.  Maybe more solid is a good description.  After hearing some of the background about how this was designed because heads have gotten heavier my thought is that the benefits may be realized more for quicker tempo strokes where a normal shaft may have more deflection.  Would I put one in one of my putters,  sure,  but not for the $200 price tag.  

 

 

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Yeah, just not going to pay for one. Could I make a putt instead of lipping-out if I used this shaft? Maybe. I’d rather get an 3X-Stiff shaft and do the same thing for a LOT cheaper....


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