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12 minutes ago, PlaidJacket said:

Dave... when I think of a stable head that usually translates a sway with me. When my head is (fairly) stable i'm staying over the ball well and covering the ball.

I think the sway away from the target is most common, but I've seen people whose head actually moves towards the target.  I like @alfriday101's image of "centered", and the same for the hip rotation, remaining centered.

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My personal checkpoints are making a good hip turn, don't be too flat (a bad habit when I start to get tired) and keep my head from pointing down too much.

I can't say much more than the fantastic points that have already been brought up by others, but if you and your coach are making progress I'd follow his plan!

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22 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

By stable, I mean it doesn't move a lot.  I dislike the image of a rigid fixed position, but I believe that if your head moves a lot, you'll be less consistent with contact.  A little bit of up and down is pretty common, even with good players, but you see very little lateral movement of the head for those good players.  A LOT of up and down would indicate , to me, excessive flex/extension of the knees.  A lot of lateral motion would indicate a sway, or reverse-pivot.  My image of a good swing is one that revolves around your spine.  Hips turn on an inclined plane, your body rotates around an inclined axis (spine), your shoulders rotate around your spine, while the spine (and your head on top) remain pretty stable.  

Thanks. I agree with your thoughts on what it means and wanted to make sure it was to keeep it still. Not sure if you watch amg but they talk about the head going up and down. 

While it’s not considered lateral movement there are several out there talking about and teaching head rotating in the transition/downswing to help get more open at impact especially for Gide sho don’t get proper hip/torso rotation. I think GG is on the far end of the amount of rotation

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25 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Thanks. I agree with your thoughts on what it means and wanted to make sure it was to keeep it still. Not sure if you watch amg but they talk about the head going up and down. 

While it’s not considered lateral movement there are several out there talking about and teaching head rotating in the transition/downswing to help get more open at impact especially for Gide sho don’t get proper hip/torso rotation. I think GG is on the far end of the amount of rotation

I watch as little online "generic" instruction as I can.  By "generic" I mean those instructors who are just sending it out there for anyone to use, as opposed to instructions for a single player based on that player's video.  I'm pretty sure that way over 99% of us do NOT have the skills to diagnose the root cause for our swing faults, so I'm not a believer in searching through the internet for specific tips that will help to fix a problem when I've probably mis-diagnosed the cause.  With the wide range of philosophies, and the often contradictory advice to cure any specific fault, using that type of instruction is more likely to CAUSE a problem than it is to fix one.

That's all horribly off-topic.  I believe a steady head is important, because your eyes are your reference point for understanding where the ball is.  If your reference point, your eyes, is moving around, that makes it much harder to hit the ball consistently.  Watch baseball players, hockey players, football receivers.  The most successful generally have a still head (for baseball), or a head that remains pretty level (when they're running or skating).

 

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I have always been told by my many instructors that what happens in the first move in the backswing dictates how well the rest will be.

I believe this so true. I know that with a very slow takeaway with the upper body moving as one, the rest just follows.

and I have also hurried up the start of the back swing and have had disastrous results.  

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Your head moving up and down is quite natural depending on how you pivot.  When I swing in 'perpetuity'  with an external focus on throwing my clubface to a target or through an intermediate target , or 'cut dandelions' with the edge of the face, my head bobs up and down quite a bit . I never used to allow that for the first 25 years of playing golf due to some pre-conceived notion about mechanics of the golf swing (ie. got to keep the centre of the swing stable). Guess what ,  the research findings state there is no stable center of the golf swing , it moves all over the place (and a lot of the time it's moving outside of the perimeters of your body) based on various complex movements. Although the shoulder socket does become the center of the swing close to impact if you have any semblance of secondary tilt.

Check out this old Shawn Clement video because it changed my whole perception of the golf swing and imho I've been playing my best 'fearless'  strain-free recreational golf in the last 30 years .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn8CmDNi0UM

 

 

 

 

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I just want Adam Scott’s swing. Cameron Champ’s would work too!!!!

Basically, we need one that’s on-plane!!!


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19 minutes ago, PMookie said:

I just want Adam Scott’s swing. Cameron Champ’s would work too!!!!

Basically, we need one that’s on-plane!!!


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I wouldn't mind a year or two of Tiger's 1999-2005 swing!😁

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I wouldn't mind a year or two of Tiger's 1999-2005 swing![emoji16]

Heck yeah!!!!!


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