Cobra F9 Driver Thread

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2 minutes ago, DPattGolf said:

Absolutely!!

Did the F9 set up neutral to your eye?


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Nope haha, set up slightly closed.  Felt like I had to fight it to keep the face open.

[DPattGolf]

Nope haha, set up slightly closed.  Felt like I had to fight it to keep the face open.

That makes a lot of sense. What did your fitting end up suggesting?


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Just now, DPattGolf said:

That makes a lot of sense. What did your fitting end up suggesting?


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Titleist TS2 with Fujikura Atmos Black TS 6X 

[yungkory]

3 hours ago, jlukes said:

Titleist TS2 with Fujikura Atmos Black TS 6X 

I was gonna say your wallet is thankful that you didn't switch drivers, but then you switched shafts in your TS2, LOL! Too bad it's an X or I'd inquire about taking it off your hands.

[RickyBobby_PR]

Saw the TXG video today from their interview with cobra during oats show.  

I love the tech story but the best comment from the interview was we can’t make the face any faster because of th limits/testing and it’s the fastest they can make it using the cnc milling so they developed the clubhead to move faster allowing to gain speed that way

[Rtracymog]

Lot of low spin stuff on the driver market.
Adds yards for the better players.
Reduces both carry and accuracy for more typical players.
 
There are, in my opinion, a lot of players out there carrying two or three extra points on their indexes
because they have such a superficial understanding of equipment.
And the players who don't have indexes are even more likely to bag inappropriate clubs.
 
Fitting doesn't necessarily correct that.
Most fitters aren't Class A  PGA teaching professionals.
They're primarily salesmen who won't tell you too much of what you don't want to hear.
They'll show you the speed 45½" of shaft gives you
without comparing mishits to 43" of shaft.

It would be tough for a lot of fitters to carry the standard length and 43” shaft of every option. If you have a good fitter, they will show you strike location and make adjustments from there. Just find someone that you trust and that will listen to you.


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[RickyBobby_PR]

12 minutes ago, Rtracymog said:

It would be tough for a lot of fitters to carry the standard length and 43” shaft of every option. If you have a good fitter, they will show you strike location and make adjustments from there. Just find someone that you trust and that will listen to you.


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Not to mention the swing weight difference between the stabdard offering and 43”. Unless they had the added weights which other than titleist in the ts3 or pxg the fitting carts don’t have.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

On 1/27/2019 at 5:37 PM, RickyBobby_PR said:

Not to mention the swing weight difference between the stabdard offering and 43”. Unless they had the added weights which other than titleist in the ts3 or pxg the fitting carts don’t have.

 

To me, it seems like we're making excuses for what fitters can't do.

Frankly, the OEMs aren't interested in developing gear that lends itself to fitting options beyond grips and shafts.  When clubs were simpler--wooden woods and simple blade irons--the technology was primitive, true enough,  but the fitting options--even without today's variety of shafts and grips--were substantially greater than they are now.

You could simply specify the loft, lie, and face angles that you wanted by having your PGA club pro order the clubs that way--end of story.  The clubs were so simple that the manufacturers had no trouble meeting those requests.  It was the primary difference between green grass pro shop models and cheap store models.

Now we have EXPENSIVE store models only.  You have golf store (studio if you wish to get fancy) fitters who are NOT Class A PGA teaching professionals. They can  help you choose a club head model, a shaft, and a grip and tell you that you're getting custom service.  Meanwhile, your grandfather got more custom service buying woods for forty bucks each and irons for twenty-five bucks each at an actual golf club pro shop. Everything is a compromise, and primary fitting was the price we paid for better technology because modern clubheads are not as easily customized as simple ones were.

Based on how people actually play, one can make an argument as to whether the trade-off of getting advanced science in exchange for better fitting is actually better for playing good golf.  Younger players who took up golf in the 70s or later will be all too happy to say that you can get proper fitting with modern clubs, but they will invariably be wrong.  You can't screw around with lofts without getting the bounce angles messed up.  You can't just tell the manufacturer what lofts, lies, and face angles you want on your metalwoods---you could with real wood, you may or may not know--but you'll' probably hit the ball better with the right clubhead and wrong shaft that you would with today's right shaft and mis-fitted club head.  Even something as simple as custom stamping is usually unavailable on main line equipment. Spalding had that option in the 60s.  You could get "Top Flite" stamped on your irons in four different fonts  Now you can't tell them which loft to stamp a # "5" on.

That's just how it is today. I'm sure that there are good reasons for it.  But one reality is that even a boutique club maker like National Custom Works will not afford you the flexibility of options that the old Kenneth Smith company would give you before leaving the business fifteen or twenty years ago.  I know this through having had direct contact with both companies.

If somebody is telling me that it's too hard to get your desired swing weight on a driver that's two inches shorter than the new standard, I have to mock that.  That request was a snap in 1961 when I took up golf.  I'm not complaining because I don't even play anymore.  What I'm doing is letting you know, through my experience, that if they wanted--if they could be bothered-- the OEMS could do a lot better.

 

 

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12 minutes ago, NiftyNiblick said:

To me, it seems like we're making excuses for what fitters can't do.

Frankly, the OEMs aren't interested in developing gear that lends itself to fitting options beyond grips and shafts.  When clubs were simpler--wooden woods and simple blade irons--the technology was primitive, true enough,  but the fitting options--even without today's variety of shafts and grips--were substantially greater than they are now.

You could simply specify the loft, lie, and face angles that you wanted by having your PGA club pro order the clubs that way--end of story.  The clubs were so simple that the manufacturers had no trouble meeting those requests.  It was the primary difference between green grass pro shop models and cheap store models.

Now we have EXPENSIVE store models only.  You have golf store (studio if you wish to get fancy) fitters who are NOT Class A PGA teaching professionals. They can  help you choose a club head model, a shaft, and a grip and tell you that you're getting custom service.  Meanwhile, your grandfather got more custom service buying woods for forty bucks each and irons for twenty-five bucks each at an actual golf club pro shop. Everything is a compromise, and primary fitting was the price we paid for better technology because modern clubheads are not as easily customized as simple ones were.

Based on how people actually play, one can make an argument as to whether the trade-off of getting advanced science in exchange for better fitting is actually better for playing good golf.  Younger players who took up golf in the 70s or later will be all too happy to say that you can get proper fitting with modern clubs, but they will invariably be wrong.  You can't screw around with lofts without getting the bounce angles messed up.  You can't just tell the manufacturer what lofts, lies, and face angles you want on your metalwoods---you could with real wood, you may or may not know--but you'll' probably hit the ball better with the right clubhead and wrong shaft that you would with today's right shaft and mis-fitted club head.  Even something as simple as custom stamping is usually unavailable on main line equipment. Spalding had that option in the 60s.  You could get "Top Flite" stamped on your irons in four different fonts  Now you can't tell them which loft to stamp a # "5" on.

That's just how it is today. I'm sure that there are good reasons for it.  But one reality is that even a boutique club maker like National Custom Works will not afford you the flexibility of options that the old Kenneth Smith company would give you before leaving the business fifteen or twenty years ago.  I know this through having had direct contact with both companies.

If somebody is telling me that it's too hard to get your desired swing weight on a driver that's two inches shorter than the new standard, I have to mock that.  That request was a snap in 1961 when I took up golf.  I'm not complaining because I don't even play anymore.  What I'm doing is letting you know, through my experience, that if they wanted--if they could be bothered-- the OEMS could do a lot better.

 

 

This isn't a Cobra issue, or a golf issue even. T  This is an everything in life issue.  Companies make product geared toward the largest amount of users possible without having to customize.  Why just complain about golf clubs?

Why cant car companies make car seats to my specific size?

Why cant apple make an iphone to the specs I want?

Why do cant I tell McDonalds how many pickles I want on my burger?

Why cant shoe companies make a shoe molded to my exact foot?

See what I'm getting at?  

Again - let's keep this thread on the topic of the Cobra F9.  If you want to have a discussion about a lack of custom options in the golf world, then we can discuss that in another thread

[RickyBobby_PR]

46 minutes ago, NiftyNiblick said:

To me, it seems like we're making excuses for what fitters can't do.

Frankly, the OEMs aren't interested in developing gear that lends itself to fitting options beyond grips and shafts.  When clubs were simpler--wooden woods and simple blade irons--the technology was primitive, true enough,  but the fitting options--even without today's variety of shafts and grips--were substantially greater than they are now.

You could simply specify the loft, lie, and face angles that you wanted by having your PGA club pro order the clubs that way--end of story.  The clubs were so simple that the manufacturers had no trouble meeting those requests.  It was the primary difference between green grass pro shop models and cheap store models.

Now we have EXPENSIVE store models only.  You have golf store (studio if you wish to get fancy) fitters who are NOT Class A PGA teaching professionals. They can  help you choose a club head model, a shaft, and a grip and tell you that you're getting custom service.  Meanwhile, your grandfather got more custom service buying woods for forty bucks each and irons for twenty-five bucks each at an actual golf club pro shop. Everything is a compromise, and primary fitting was the price we paid for better technology because modern clubheads are not as easily customized as simple ones were.

Based on how people actually play, one can make an argument as to whether the trade-off of getting advanced science in exchange for better fitting is actually better for playing good golf.  Younger players who took up golf in the 70s or later will be all too happy to say that you can get proper fitting with modern clubs, but they will invariably be wrong.  You can't screw around with lofts without getting the bounce angles messed up.  You can't just tell the manufacturer what lofts, lies, and face angles you want on your metalwoods---you could with real wood, you may or may not know--but you'll' probably hit the ball better with the right clubhead and wrong shaft that you would with today's right shaft and mis-fitted club head.  Even something as simple as custom stamping is usually unavailable on main line equipment. Spalding had that option in the 60s.  You could get "Top Flite" stamped on your irons in four different fonts  Now you can't tell them which loft to stamp a # "5" on.

That's just how it is today. I'm sure that there are good reasons for it.  But one reality is that even a boutique club maker like National Custom Works will not afford you the flexibility of options that the old Kenneth Smith company would give you before leaving the business fifteen or twenty years ago.  I know this through having had direct contact with both companies.

If somebody is telling me that it's too hard to get your desired swing weight on a driver that's two inches shorter than the new standard, I have to mock that.  That request was a snap in 1961 when I took up golf.  I'm not complaining because I don't even play anymore.  What I'm doing is letting you know, through my experience, that if they wanted--if they could be bothered-- the OEMS could do a lot better.

 

 

Golf companies design to fit the masses and not individual needs of a small percentage of golfers which is also why there aren’t a wide variety of lefty options.

its not cost effective for the companies to get into individual spec building for every customer that needs a one off.  

 

[NiftyNiblick]

3 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Golf companies design to fit the masses and not individual needs of a small percentage of golfers which is also why there aren’t a wide variety of lefty options.

its not cost effective for the companies to get into individual spec building for every customer that needs a one off.  

 

You would think that SOMEONE would individually spec build for those willing to pay for it. 

 

You only to have to look online for a custom shoe, shirt, or suitmaker.  You can even get a custom built car, even now when new cars are so heavily regulated.  I'd be happy just to know of the existence of a TRUE custom club maker.

[GB13]

4 minutes ago, NiftyNiblick said:

You would think that SOMEONE would individually spec build for those willing to pay for it. 

 

You only to have to look online for a custom shoe, shirt, or suitmaker.  You can even get a custom built car, even now when new cars are so heavily regulated.  I'd be happy just to know of the existence of a TRUE custom club maker.

Maybe you should start a new business. 

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20 minutes ago, NiftyNiblick said:

You would think that SOMEONE would individually spec build for those willing to pay for it. 

 

You only to have to look online for a custom shoe, shirt, or suitmaker.  You can even get a custom built car, even now when new cars are so heavily regulated.  I'd be happy just to know of the existence of a TRUE custom club maker.

Again, if you want to talk about this, start a thread.  This thread is about the Cobra F9 Driver

[srooch2]

On 1/27/2019 at 2:10 PM, RickyBobby_PR said:

Saw the TXG video today from their interview with cobra during oats show.  

I love the tech story but the best comment from the interview was we can’t make the face any faster because of th limits/testing and it’s the fastest they can make it using the cnc milling so they developed the clubhead to move faster allowing to gain speed that way

Did you see the new TXG video? Ian said it was the fastest driver they have EVER tested. They are gonna do another one with a proper fitting for Mattie. That was just the same shaft vs the F8+ without being fitted. 

[PMookie]

Here’s a link to the TXG F8+ vs F9. The ball speed off the F9 was FIVE MPH FASTER than F8+, and Matt hit 180 ball speed! The distance, though, was NOT greater with the F9! Launch and spin took any distance gains away (launched too low, no spin). They said an actual fitting for it will now take precedence over the Mizuno they were going to do. Ian said he could see Matt hitting 184-185 ball speed! The last drive Matt got ended-up 353 and went OFF the simulated range.

 

 https://youtu.be/pY6HiTC5Lo0

 

 

 

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[RickyBobby_PR]

7 hours ago, Brewmaster said:

Did you see the new TXG video? Ian said it was the fastest driver they have EVER tested. They are gonna do another one with a proper fitting for Mattie. That was just the same shaft vs the F8+ without being fitted. 

Watched it after work last night. That comment stood out to me. It’s been 4 years since I played a cobra driver but this one could get me back

[StrokerAce]

Live TXG fitting for those interested....
 

 

[srooch2]

Watching now....should be working 

[StrokerAce]

340 carry, 362 total
183 ball speed

oh MY goodness.... 

[srooch2]

1 minute ago, GolfSpy Stroker said:

340 carry, 362 total
187 ball speed

oh MY goodness.... 

The Real Deal!

[tony@CIC]

This isn't a Cobra issue, or a golf issue even. T  This is an everything in life issue.  Companies make product geared toward the largest amount of users possible without having to customize.  Why just complain about golf clubs?
Why cant car companies make car seats to my specific size?
Why cant apple make an iphone to the specs I want?
Why do cant I tell McDonalds how many pickles I want on my burger?
Why cant shoe companies make a shoe molded to my exact foot?
See what I'm getting at?  
Again - let's keep this thread on the topic of the Cobra F9.  If you want to have a discussion about a lack of custom options in the golf world, then we can discuss that in another thread

Well said


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[PMookie]

You would think that SOMEONE would individually spec build for those willing to pay for it. 
 
You only to have to look online for a custom shoe, shirt, or suitmaker.  You can even get a custom built car, even now when new cars are so heavily regulated.  I'd be happy just to know of the existence of a TRUE custom club maker.

We kind of do have these folks... Club Champion, Tour Spec, etc.

These folks DO fit a golfer specifically for everything from loft, lie, length, weight, even sound (using hot melt), etc! They will PURE all of one’s shafts, make sure every club in the set matches exact specs, etc. What else is there to do???
Just watch the fitting for the F9 TXG did, it’s posted above. Look at all that Ian did to match that driver head SPECIFICALLY to Matt Blois. That is CUSTOM. And we all have access to it!

I’ll be making sure my next fitting includes this beast now!!! Wow! Matt is up there with Cameron Champ!


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[RickyBobby_PR]

18 minutes ago, PMookie said:

We kind of do have these folks... Club Champion, Tour Spec, etc.

These folks DO fit a golfer specifically for everything from loft, lie, length, weight, even sound (using hot melt), etc! They will PURE all of one’s shafts, make sure every club in the set matches exact specs, etc. What else is there to do???
Just watch the fitting for the F9 TXG did, it’s posted above. Look at all that Ian did to match that driver head SPECIFICALLY to Matt Blois. That is CUSTOM. And we all have access to it!

I’ll be making sure my next fitting includes this beast now!!! Wow! Matt is up there with Cameron Champ!


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Then there’s independent guys like Will people’s, local repair shops and others who will do it as well. One just has to pay to get it done

[juspoole]

Tried this one out about 3 weeks agao and loved the look, but it just didn't click with me.  I wasn't swinging my best that day so I may try again.  

After seeing all the chatter and the results coming through on the increased ball speed, it may be worthwhile to try it again.  However, I was just fitted to my TS3 and its going to be tough to beat.

[Mr_Theoo]

After watching the TXG fitting today this just shot up to the top of my must try list. Doubt I’ll see speeds like Matt but if I could crack into the 160s I’d be excited. 

[PMookie]

After watching the TXG fitting today this just shot up to the top of my must try list. Doubt I’ll see speeds like Matt but if I could crack into the 160s I’d be excited. 

I get 160-162 at best right now, so it would be awesome to beat that!


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[djahubes]

Putting my TS3 up against it tomorrow. Will see how they compare.


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[yungkory]

Putting my TS3 up against it tomorrow. Will see how they compare.


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Where you sampling it at? Alohagolf?

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[yungkory]

@matt416 casually carrying it 330. Cobra should put you on staff -- I can't think of a better promo video than your last 2 YT vids.

[djahubes]

Where you sampling it at? Alohagolf?

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Yes.


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