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How do you decide if a fitter is the right one for you, if you don’t have a personal referral:

Obviously, credentials play a part.

Maybe they’re on the GD 100 Best Fitters list?

Or having the latest LM?

Being OEM agnostic makes sense – vs steering golfers to one brand or another.

Perhaps listening - especially when you say you’re on a budget?

 

What else comes to mind in your decision-making process?.

 

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:cobra-small: F Max 5 wood

:ping-small:  9 wood
:ping-small:  410  Hybrids 22*, 26*
:wilson-small: C300 4i-GP
:cleveland-small:  Wedges RTX 3.0: 52*, 56*
:ping-small: EYE 2 Wedge 60*

:odyssey-small: O Works putter
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I would try to read reviews and see if anyone I know went to the fitter. It is tough to figure out if the fitter is good, just like determining if an instructor is good for you. I would also call or talk to the fitter to understand their approach to fitting based
on what I have learned about fitting and my expectations. Always ask questions; if they aren’t willing to answer they may not be the right fitter for you.

Ultimately it is like any service industry, everyone is different and what one person thinks is the best may be the worst for someone else.

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Driver:  :ping-small: G400 Max 9* with UST Proforce V2
Fairway: :titelist-small: TS3 15* set  w/Project X Hzardous Smoke
Hybrids:  :titelist-small: 816H1 19* set at 18* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
                :titelist-small: 915H  21*  w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
               :titelist-small: 915H 24*  w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
Irons:      :srixon-small: 765 6-AW with KBS Tour shafts
Wedge:  :cleveland-small: 588 54-14, 58-12
Putter:   :bobby-grace-1: 6330,   :EVNROLL: ER2.2,  :odyssey-small: Ten S 

 

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We don't have many options here, but we have a local shop that is very knowledgeable and friendly. More importantly they take the time go out of their way to do things right for their customers. Bring them in a coffee and they are even happier!
Another important part is they carry all products and have no bias towards certain companies. Without a doubt the only place I go to buy clubs now and don't mind paying a bit more for the service and continued support they give if I need any tweaks it changes or just want to get some numbers in the LM.

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SWING SPEED- 100

Driver:   :callaway-small: Epic Sub Zero - Set at 10* with Aldila Rogue Max 65 gram 

Wood:    :cobra-small: F7 3 wood 14.5* w/ weight back

               :ping-small: G410 Crossover - 2 and 4 iron

Irons:     :ping-small: i210 5-U w/ Nippon Modus 105 stiff (2018 Tester)

Wedge:  :ping-small: Glide 2.0 54* 58* w/ Nippon Modus 105 Stiff

Putter:   :odyssey-small: Stroke Lab 7 35* and oversized grip (2019 Tester)

Balls:      :srixon-small: Z Star

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1 hour ago, tony@CIC said:

How do you decide if a fitter is the right one for you, if you don’t have a personal referral:

Here's a guy I think you might want to consider. He's located south of Columbus. Jim McCleery - McGolf. He's a forum member too. It'd be a 3.5 hour drive for you but I think worth it. My fitter is 4 hours from me.... and worth it.

http://www.mcgolf.net/

 

 

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                                                                               :755178188_TourEdge: EXS 10.5*, TWGTLogo2.png.06c802075f4d211691d88895b3f34b75.png 929-HS FW4 16.5* 

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5 minutes ago, PlaidJacket said:

Here's a guy I think you might want to consider. He's located south of Columbus. Jim McCleery - McGolf. He's a forum member too. It'd be a 3.5 hour drive for you but I think worth it. My fitter is 4 hours from me.... and worth it.http://www.mcgolf.net/ 

 

Thx. I do recall the name - not sure who recommended him before.

Back to the original post - what criteria do you use to evaluate the fitter or decide between 2. 


Left Hand orientation

:ping-small: G410 SFT driver 

:cobra-small: F Max 5 wood

:ping-small:  9 wood
:ping-small:  410  Hybrids 22*, 26*
:wilson-small: C300 4i-GP
:cleveland-small:  Wedges RTX 3.0: 52*, 56*
:ping-small: EYE 2 Wedge 60*

:odyssey-small: O Works putter
:918457628_PrecisionPro:NX9-HD

:CaddyTek: - 4 Wheel 
:footjoy-small: - too many shoes to list and so many to buy

:1590477705_SunMountain:

:SuperSpeed: Official Tester 2020   Beginning Driver Speed  - 78

 

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I either find a demo day because most reps are pretty good at fitting abd know their product plus are usually trained by the hq staff. If using a non demo day then it’s by references/reviews


Driver: Titleist 917D3 9.5 with Graphite Design MAD Pro 65g S

Wood: Titleist 917F2 with UST Mamiya Helium 5F4

Hybrid: Titleist 816H1 21 with Atmos Blue 85 S

Irons: Titleist 718 AP3 4i, 718 CB 5-6, MB 7-9 with KBS $ Taper 125

Wedges: Vokey SM7 46/50/54/60 with DG s200

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

Ball: Titleist Prov1

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Honestly.... I interviewed 3 guys prior to my last fitting. It basically boiled down to who I thought I'd be most comfortable with I suppose. All three would have been most capable for sure. My fitter had the most experience and that might have swayed my decision some. I ultimately picked a guy that lives and breathes club fitting and most importantly.... club building. 30 years experience. He is meticulous and exacting. 

I've had a few emails or PM's with Jim. He knows my fitter too; as do most people in his profession. I also like watching Jim's YouTube vids. They're quite good.

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                                                                               :755178188_TourEdge: EXS 10.5*, TWGTLogo2.png.06c802075f4d211691d88895b3f34b75.png 929-HS FW4 16.5* 

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Another thing is to make sure the fitter has multiple fitting carts and/or various heads and shafts and isn’t pushing one brand. 

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Driver: Titleist 917D3 9.5 with Graphite Design MAD Pro 65g S

Wood: Titleist 917F2 with UST Mamiya Helium 5F4

Hybrid: Titleist 816H1 21 with Atmos Blue 85 S

Irons: Titleist 718 AP3 4i, 718 CB 5-6, MB 7-9 with KBS $ Taper 125

Wedges: Vokey SM7 46/50/54/60 with DG s200

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

Ball: Titleist Prov1

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1 hour ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Another thing is to make sure the fitter has multiple fitting carts and/or various heads and shafts and isn’t pushing one brand. 

I was going to post something very similar.  Definitely make sure they are not tied to one brand and have the multiple fitting carts as RB mentioned. 

Also as others above said, ask questions don't feel you need to commit on your first visit or call, ask them them how they determine lie angle for example.   if he says a lie board, I'd be inclined to keep looking as that has become kind of an outdated method.   Just specific questions like that.   if you don't know the answers, you can always come back here and post his commnents and see what the general conscientious is. 

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:titelist-small: TS1 10.5 Fubuki 45g Shaft

:taylormade-small: SIM Max 5w 18* Ventus Black 

:ping-small:  G410 FW 7,9 Alta CB R flex 

:ping-small: G410 Hybrid 26 degree Alta CB R Flex

:titelist-small: T300 KBS TGI 80 5 iron thorugh 46 W2

:vokey-small: SM7 50.08, 54.08 and 58.14 

:scotty-small:  Phantom 5.5   35" 

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How do you decide if a fitter is the right one for you, if you don’t have a personal referral:
Obviously, credentials play a part.
Maybe they’re on the GD 100 Best Fitters list?
Or having the latest LM?
Being OEM agnostic makes sense – vs steering golfers to one brand or another.
Perhaps listening - especially when you say you’re on a budget?
 
What else comes to mind in your decision-making process?.
 

There is a few things to consider while picking a fitter at least imo.
1. Are they a golfer?
Many golftec reps are not.
2. Do they listen to what you are looking for?
Maybe you know the shaft or weight you need.
3. Are they giving you suggestions?
Nothing worse than a fitter that lets you pick anything. Although you may love one brand but stats show you are 20% more accurate and hit 10+ yards with another.
4. I personally look for fitters that have their own bag as a mixed set. This shows they understand that one complete set isn’t necessarily the best for your game.

Hope this helps


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I think it depends on what you’re looking for. I’ve done fittings at club champion which has almost everything but I’ve also gone thru an OEM fitter. Just all depends to me.

If my heart is set on one specific brand then going to someone who just fits that brand makes more sense to me. 

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FW:   :cobra-small: F6 baffler set at 16º

Hybrid:  NONE
Irons:   :taylormade-small:  3i 2014 TP CB  4-PW 2011 TP MC w/ TT S400

Wedges:   :nike-small: 52º :nike-small: 56º  :edel-golf-1: 60 º w/ KBS C-Taper XS Soft-stepped

Putter:   :ping-small: Sigma G Tyne 34 inches Gold dot

 

 

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selecting a fitter is akin to selecting a swing coach.

If you are wondering about a fitting, call the fitter and ask them to explain their fitting process. If it makes sense to you then you are on your way to a good experience

Ask any other general question that might be important to you such as price, discounts, companies used etc.  If they address swing flaws.

If you have a good feeling about the fitter then schedule the time. IF not move along as chances are you will mentally fight the process and the experience will be poor.

 

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Irons - 5-pw, GW stnd length 5.0 flex same grip 1 deg flat. Type low medium offset cavity back, no diggers

Wedges - 56 and 60 tour grind wedge spinner and mcc4+ grip 2 flat 10 and 8 in bounce

Putter - 33" 3 deg loft 70 lie, lrg slight line slightly toe hang

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I was going to post something very similar.  Definitely make sure they are not tied to one brand and have the multiple fitting carts as RB mentioned. 
Also as others above said, ask questions don't feel you need to commit on your first visit or call, ask them them how they determine lie angle for example.   if he says a lie board, I'd be inclined to keep looking as that has become kind of an outdated method.   Just specific questions like that.   if you don't know the answers, you can always come back here and post his commnents and see what the general conscientious is. 

What are the other methods besides a lie board?


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Watch a few of the TXG videos on youtube. They're a high end fitting studio in Toronto and Ian (their master fitter) does an excellent job of explaining the process in which he decides to fit people. You may even see a famous MGS forum member make an appearance. But he has a few about fitting mid or high-handicappers which are really good. 

That will give you a taste to the things a good fitter will do or ask you about. Most good fitters should have a conversation or interview with you before the fitting where you tell them what you're looking for (even if it's over the phone). But like others have said, if you talk with somebody and don't get a good vibe, move on. If you're apprehensive going into a fitting, it's not likely to go well. 

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Driver- :taylormade-small:  M1 2016 8.5 degree

Fwy- :taylormade-small:  Aeroburner 16.5HL

Irons- :callaway-small:  Steelhead XR (3-PW)

Wedges- :callaway-small: MD3 (50,54,58)

Putter- :seemore-small:  Si2

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8 hours ago, Mizuno_fan said:


What are the other methods besides a lie board?


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Launch Monitors should be able to tell where the ball is being impacted on the club and how the club was delivered when it hit the ground. That should tell the fitter what needs to be adjusted. 

Some will also use ball flight (or more accurately, starting direction) to make minor change. In reality, lie angle is probably the last part of your fitting and is just used to tweak for the best possible results. Even playing a club where the lie angle is not optimal will not impact your game a tremendous amount.


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Driver- :taylormade-small:  M1 2016 8.5 degree

Fwy- :taylormade-small:  Aeroburner 16.5HL

Irons- :callaway-small:  Steelhead XR (3-PW)

Wedges- :callaway-small: MD3 (50,54,58)

Putter- :seemore-small:  Si2

Ball-  Snell MTB-X

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The best fitting I’ve ever been through was at Miles of Golf back home in Michigan. The one concept they used that has not been done since, was using video to get proper lie angle for my irons. They filmed me swinging, and on numerous swings, they “drew lines” to see what the angle of the shaft was at impact. By doing this, they figured out the lie angle for my irons, to a “T”, and didn’t have to worry about the inaccuracy of lie boards or other means. Brilliant!


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Driver: Honma TR20 460, Fujikura Ventus Black 70X

Fwy: Tour Edge Exotics EX9 Tour 17* (playing at 15*), Veylix Rome 888 X

Hybrid: Callaway X2 Hot Pro, 20*, Dynamic Gold X100 

Irons: Srixon Z585 4/5 iron, Z785 6-PW, Modus 120X

Wedges: Vega VC-06 50*/54*/58*, Dynamic Gold S300

Putter: SeeMore Platinum M5 HT Mallet, 36"

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This is something I've always struggled with. Outside of big box stores, I have a few places around me and have always had mixed results. I've been to some of Golf Digest's Top 100, and in that fitting he didn't even have me hit my current gamer. Ironically the one place I feel most comfortable with is our local Dicks Sporting Goods. I frequent there a lot after work and tend to hit quite a bit on the monitor, and after spending so much time there, I trust the guys there a lot. Good group, knowledgeable and will answer any of my questions that I have. 


Bag: :1590477705_SunMountain: C130S

Driver: :ping-small: G410 9* w/ HZRDUS Yellow

Fairway: :ping-small: G410 15*  w/ HZRDUS Yellow

Fairway: :callaway-small: GBB Heavenwood 19* w/ Fujikura Pro 72

Hybrids: :ping-small: G410 22*  w/ Tensei Blue

Irons: :mizuno-small: JPX919 HMP 5-AW Forged w/ Modus 120s

Wedges: :cleveland-small: RTX4 55*/60*

Putter: :taylormade-small: Spyder X

Ball: :taylormade-small: TP5

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This one is simple, RUB HIS FERRULES, are they nice and pretty, smooth like OEM. If so, give'm your clubs

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All you need is a launch monitor it won’t lie, and someone who can understand and interpret those numbers to you clearly. 

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7 hours ago, Champreilly said:

All you need is a launch monitor it won’t lie, and someone who can understand and interpret those numbers to you clearly. 

That’s an over simplication. There’s a lot more that goes into it and a good fitter uses the numbers as a way to show the golfer what’s going on and then the results after tweaking the setup. 

Getting the right setup based on what the golfer feels, what the fitter sees in the persons swing from how the shaft loads and gets delivered to impact. 

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Driver: Titleist 917D3 9.5 with Graphite Design MAD Pro 65g S

Wood: Titleist 917F2 with UST Mamiya Helium 5F4

Hybrid: Titleist 816H1 21 with Atmos Blue 85 S

Irons: Titleist 718 AP3 4i, 718 CB 5-6, MB 7-9 with KBS $ Taper 125

Wedges: Vokey SM7 46/50/54/60 with DG s200

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

Ball: Titleist Prov1

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