Mr. 82 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 I'm going to come right out and say it. I think giving World Golf Ranking Points to 18 golfers who are playing in a no-cut invitational that Tiger created is wrong. And not only are they giving OWGR points out, but a LOT of them. You can play four really horrible rounds of golf and walk away with at least 2.4 points, like Brooks Koepka did last year. He would have missed the cut at any other event on the PGA Tour, but here he's rewarded for finishing last. I don't have as much of a problem giving points at WGC events, because it's a larger field, but rewarding your 17 buddies and yourself for playing in a charity event that has Tiger's name on it is wrong. Let's look at this another way. Put yourself in that event, and play all four rounds. For me, I can go out an shoot my mid-80s tournament rounds of golf and all of a sudden I get 2.4 points, and am now one of the top ??? golfers in the world. Please tell me I'm missing something here, because this has to be a complete joke and makes the OWGR that much more of a joke then it already is. G400 Driver XR 4 Fairway 16.5° Fli-Hi Utility Iron - 21° G Series 5-9 irons SM7 46°, 50°, 54° & 58° Ghost Spider S putter Nexus Laser Rangefinder Garmin Approach S20 GPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony@CIC Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, GSwag said: I'm going to come right out and say it. I think giving World Golf Ranking Points to 18 golfers who are playing in a no-cut invitational that Tiger created is wrong. Looks more like a "participation award" than one awarded for performance. Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 1 hour ago, GSwag said: I'm going to come right out and say it. I think giving World Golf Ranking Points to 18 golfers who are playing in a no-cut invitational that Tiger created is wrong. And not only are they giving OWGR points out, but a LOT of them. You can play four really horrible rounds of golf and walk away with at least 2.4 points, like Brooks Koepka did last year. He would have missed the cut at any other event on the PGA Tour, but here he's rewarded for finishing last. I don't have as much of a problem giving points at WGC events, because it's a larger field, but rewarding your 17 buddies and yourself for playing in a charity event that has Tiger's name on it is wrong. Let's look at this another way. Put yourself in that event, and play all four rounds. For me, I can go out an shoot my mid-80s tournament rounds of golf and all of a sudden I get 2.4 points, and am now one of the top ??? golfers in the world. Please tell me I'm missing something here, because this has to be a complete joke and makes the OWGR that much more of a joke then it already is. It’s a limited field event that still requires qualifying to get in. It’s not the only no cut tournament during the year. if it’s 18 or 54 golfers does it matter? Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. 82 Posted November 27, 2018 Author Share Posted November 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said: It’s a limited field event that still requires qualifying to get in. It’s not the only no cut tournament during the year. if it’s 18 or 54 golfers does it matter? what qualifying? And yes, I think field size does matter. Frankly, I think the Tour Championship shouldn't count towards OWGR points either. Perhaps we need a minimum of 50 or 60 players in a tournament to qualify for ranking points. The way this is set up just makes it too easy for top players to gain points without really doing anything to earn them. G400 Driver XR 4 Fairway 16.5° Fli-Hi Utility Iron - 21° G Series 5-9 irons SM7 46°, 50°, 54° & 58° Ghost Spider S putter Nexus Laser Rangefinder Garmin Approach S20 GPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB13 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 26 minutes ago, GSwag said: what qualifying? And yes, I think field size does matter. Frankly, I think the Tour Championship shouldn't count towards OWGR points either. Perhaps we need a minimum of 50 or 60 players in a tournament to qualify for ranking points. The way this is set up just makes it too easy for top players to gain points without really doing anything to earn them. Exactly, I don't think the HWC should give any World Ranking points. I mean, maybe a few to the winner, but not the last place finisher. If you are rewarding them for qualifying, well, they already got points in from the tournament they performed well enough in to qualify. Wilson Staff C300 9.0* Fujikura Pro 58 stiff Callaway Rogue 3W Mitsubishi Diamana D+ LTD 80 stiff Mizuno MP-18 MMC FLI-HI 2 iron UST Mamiya Recoil 95 stiff Ping I200's 4-W Aerotech Steelfiber I110 CW stiff Ping Glide 52* and 58* stiff Bettinardi Studio Stock #38 Armlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAGolfore Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 What exactly are the qualifications for the HWC? found this on wiki In 2008, the field was increased to 18 players, consisting of the most recent winners of the four major PGA tournaments, the top 11 available players from the Official World Golf Ranking, the defending champion, and two special exemption players selected by the foundation Driver: Callaway Rogue 9* FW: Sub 70 Pro 4 wood Hybrid: Sub 70 949 Hybrid 19* Irons: Sub 70 659 CB 4 - 6 Black 639 MB 7 - PW Wedges: Sub 70 JB - 50* 54* & 60* Putter: Odyssey White Hot #2 Ball: Titleist Pro-V1x Handicap index: +3.9 Instagram: joshandersongolf Twitter: @jacustomgolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB13 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 20 minutes ago, jacustomgolf said: What exactly are the qualifications for the HWC? found this on wiki In 2008, the field was increased to 18 players, consisting of the most recent winners of the four major PGA tournaments, the top 11 available players from the Official World Golf Ranking, the defending champion, and two special exemption players selected by the foundation So they are basically giving you OWGR points for being at the top of the OWGR. That doesn't seem to make much sense. Wilson Staff C300 9.0* Fujikura Pro 58 stiff Callaway Rogue 3W Mitsubishi Diamana D+ LTD 80 stiff Mizuno MP-18 MMC FLI-HI 2 iron UST Mamiya Recoil 95 stiff Ping I200's 4-W Aerotech Steelfiber I110 CW stiff Ping Glide 52* and 58* stiff Bettinardi Studio Stock #38 Armlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 14 minutes ago, GB13 said: So they are basically giving you OWGR points for being at the top of the OWGR. That doesn't seem to make much sense. It’s no different than a WGC. Limited field, top X in the OWGR, some of the WGC dont have cuts. How does it hurt golf or tour golfers? Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAGolfore Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 16 minutes ago, GB13 said: So they are basically giving you OWGR points for being at the top of the OWGR. That doesn't seem to make much sense. No it doesn't. It shouldn't be a OWGR event. Driver: Callaway Rogue 9* FW: Sub 70 Pro 4 wood Hybrid: Sub 70 949 Hybrid 19* Irons: Sub 70 659 CB 4 - 6 Black 639 MB 7 - PW Wedges: Sub 70 JB - 50* 54* & 60* Putter: Odyssey White Hot #2 Ball: Titleist Pro-V1x Handicap index: +3.9 Instagram: joshandersongolf Twitter: @jacustomgolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB13 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Just now, RickyBobby_PR said: It’s no different than a WGC. Limited field, top X in the OWGR, some of the WGC dont have cuts. How does it hurt golf or tour golfers? It makes the rankings stagnant. It doesn't allow for new players to enter these events and move up the rankings if you constantly pad the guys' at the top point totals. It isn't a huge problem yet, because there are still events with cuts and qualifiers that actually reward performance, not participation but if the OWGR includes more of these events, the rankings will become obsolete and inaccurate. Wilson Staff C300 9.0* Fujikura Pro 58 stiff Callaway Rogue 3W Mitsubishi Diamana D+ LTD 80 stiff Mizuno MP-18 MMC FLI-HI 2 iron UST Mamiya Recoil 95 stiff Ping I200's 4-W Aerotech Steelfiber I110 CW stiff Ping Glide 52* and 58* stiff Bettinardi Studio Stock #38 Armlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. 82 Posted November 27, 2018 Author Share Posted November 27, 2018 38 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said: It’s no different than a WGC. Limited field, top X in the OWGR, some of the WGC dont have cuts. How does it hurt golf or tour golfers? Limited field events make the rich richer and the poor poorer. Hypothetically, a top 10 player could play just the WGC events and the majors and never lose their ranking, provided they play well in the majors that is. It's essentially a system designed currently to make it extremely easy for top players to collect paychecks at events where they are getting paid no matter how they perform. Meanwhile, those just starting out, or who are grinding it out on the tour will never see those OWGR ranking points in a regular PGA Tour or Euro Tour event. What was it last year? 24 points to the winner of the John Deere Classic? 36 points to the St Jude Classic winner? But 48 points to the winner of the 18 man field Hero? Come on man. That's a joke. Those are full field events, and I would easily argue that they are much tougher to win then the 18 man field Hero World Challenge. At the John Deere I need to first, make the cut, and then throw up a ton of birdies just to get into the top 10. The winner of the Hero can throw up a 63, on Thursday and just put it in cruise control as he monitors where the rest of the field is. I've got a 5 shot lead? OK, let me just make some pars and see where this goes. Not to mention that because there are only 18 players, you don't have to worry about playing a morning/afternoon tee time split, or playing split tees. And 18 players won't hurt a golf course, and your putting, the way 132 players (or whatever the number is) at a full field event. Basically, I'm arguing that the OWGR is broken, and makes it incredibly hard for a player to work his way up the rankings. But once you get towards the top, just put it in cruise control and call your accountant to ask how many millions came in last month for you doing nothing more than being rewarded to playing easy limited field events. Incredible inequality, and incredible disparity between cut and no cut events. G400 Driver XR 4 Fairway 16.5° Fli-Hi Utility Iron - 21° G Series 5-9 irons SM7 46°, 50°, 54° & 58° Ghost Spider S putter Nexus Laser Rangefinder Garmin Approach S20 GPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR1PTIK Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 35 minutes ago, jacustomgolf said: No it doesn't. It shouldn't be a OWGR event. It does and it doesn't IMO. The reason I think it makes sense is the same reason WGC events and the Tour Championship make sense. Limited field events reward those who play well with an opportunity to earn more cash, more points, and a way to maintain eligibility for other big events. I understand the argument about lower ranked players getting a chance to move up and awarding an 18-player event OWGR points does seem a bit unfair. However, golf is still a sport. You don't throw a football game to let some no-name school with lesser talent make it to the playoffs just because it seems unfair. The teams in the playoffs are there (hopefully) because they earned it. They worked harder, they practiced longer, and they studied their opponents better. I don't see much difference here. Limited field events reward players based on merit (minus the two exemptions as mentioned above). So basically, I see both sides but I lean toward not really having a problem with it. I'd like to see them open the event to a few more players, but that's probably about it. Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. 82 Posted November 27, 2018 Author Share Posted November 27, 2018 1 minute ago, TR1PTIK said: You don't throw a football game to let some no-name school with lesser talent make it to the playoffs just because it seems unfair. The teams in the playoffs are there (hopefully) because they earned it. They worked harder, they practiced longer, and they studied their opponents better. I don't see much difference here. Total threadjack where I am going here, but I'll use Alabama from last year (and a few years back) as an example of how your argument here fails. Alabama has lost it's DIVISION several times (by losing to Auburn), and didn't even play in the SEC championship game, but yet, here they are in the playoffs and playing for a national championship. So if you want to talk about a REALLY bad comparison, there you are. Alabama didn't work harder than anyone else, they actually got rewarded for losing, by getting the week off and therefore being better rested then the other 3 teams in the final four. So what a shock when Alabama is better rested, and better prepared for the final two games. They have more strength and more endurance then a Georgia who had to play Auburn in the championship game, just to make the playoffs. Alabama sat at home and the media ate up every whining word Saban threw out there about how his team deserved to be in the playoffs. No you don't Nick; you lost your division. You don't deserve anything. It's actually a similar comparison to the OWGR and the top players. They get to skip all the regular events, and just focus on the events they want to, which means that they are better rested, and better prepared for the majors, and other top events. Meanwhile, some new kid who is just starting out has to play in any event he gets into, just to get a chance of making the majors, or other big events. He works his tail off for an entire year, nearly killing himself on the road week in and week out, adding a ton of stress to an already stressful game. And he's living out of his car, and staying in cheap hotels and driving to every event, because he can't afford Wheels Up to take him wherever he wants with his entourage. His entourage was him and his caddie, who were last seen at Waffle House, because that's all they could afford after missing the cut last week. Those prima donas at the top of the rankings, and the top of college football don't work harder. They just get more money thrown at them, and get the best of the perks and privileges that come with having a name and living off of previous year's success (cough cough, Jordan Spieth). G400 Driver XR 4 Fairway 16.5° Fli-Hi Utility Iron - 21° G Series 5-9 irons SM7 46°, 50°, 54° & 58° Ghost Spider S putter Nexus Laser Rangefinder Garmin Approach S20 GPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 55 minutes ago, GB13 said: It makes the rankings stagnant. It doesn't allow for new players to enter these events and move up the rankings if you constantly pad the guys' at the top point totals. It isn't a huge problem yet, because there are still events with cuts and qualifiers that actually reward performance, not participation but if the OWGR includes more of these events, the rankings will become obsolete and inaccurate. You do realize and understand that OWGR comes from more than just PGA tour right? So euro tour, Japanese, Australian, etc all come into play. OWGR points are given out at every sanctioned event and some events get more points than others. One event doesn’t make or break the rankings. They are also calculated over a 2 year period and on a 40 event basis. It’s one of the reasons guys like Rahm can shoot up the rankings. He had less rounds than DJ and others so as some of their events were coming off their calculations he wasn’t losing events from counting for him. 14 minutes ago, GSwag said: Limited field events make the rich richer and the poor poorer. Hypothetically, a top 10 player could play just the WGC events and the majors and never lose their ranking, provided they play well in the majors that is. It's essentially a system designed currently to make it extremely easy for top players to collect paychecks at events where they are getting paid no matter how they perform. Meanwhile, those just starting out, or who are grinding it out on the tour will never see those OWGR ranking points in a regular PGA Tour or Euro Tour event. What was it last year? 24 points to the winner of the John Deere Classic? 36 points to the St Jude Classic winner? But 48 points to the winner of the 18 man field Hero? Come on man. That's a joke. Those are full field events, and I would easily argue that they are much tougher to win then the 18 man field Hero World Challenge. At the John Deere I need to first, make the cut, and then throw up a ton of birdies just to get into the top 10. The winner of the Hero can throw up a 63, on Thursday and just put it in cruise control as he monitors where the rest of the field is. I've got a 5 shot lead? OK, let me just make some pars and see where this goes. Not to mention that because there are only 18 players, you don't have to worry about playing a morning/afternoon tee time split, or playing split tees. And 18 players won't hurt a golf course, and your putting, the way 132 players (or whatever the number is) at a full field event. Basically, I'm arguing that the OWGR is broken, and makes it incredibly hard for a player to work his way up the rankings. But once you get towards the top, just put it in cruise control and call your accountant to ask how many millions came in last month for you doing nothing more than being rewarded to playing easy limited field events. Incredible inequality, and incredible disparity between cut and no cut events. I dont disagree that owgr calculations are broken but until someone figures out a better formula it is what it is and it works for the most part. And yes a player only playing in WGC and majors would be affected because when they arent playing they are losing points look st how many times in the last month the #1 spot changed each week. see reply above about how the system works. Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. 82 Posted November 27, 2018 Author Share Posted November 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said: You do realize and understand that OWGR comes from more than just PGA tour right? So euro tour, Japanese, Australian, etc all come into play. OWGR points are given out at every sanctioned event and some events get more points than others. One event doesn’t make or break the rankings. They are also calculated over a 2 year period and on a 40 event basis. It’s one of the reasons guys like Rahm can shoot up the rankings. He had less rounds than DJ and others so as some of their events were coming off their calculations he wasn’t losing events from counting for him. I dont disagree that owgr calculations are broken but until someone figures out a better formula it is what it is and it works for the most part. And yes a player only playing in WGC and majors would be affected because when they arent playing they are losing points look st how many times in the last month the #1 spot changed each week. see reply above about how the system works. Oh, I very much understand how the OWGR is calculated. And I also have a BIG TIME problem with the math being used as divisors. The OWGR actually punishes players who play more than 52 events, and big time rewards players with less than 40 events played over 2 years. Not that I am really picking on him (yes I am), but I think Tiger figured out how to manipulate the OWGR years ago, and just look at his history with regards to events played. He has often been below 40 events played, and it's to his advantage to do so, because when he finishes top 10 in almost every event, he could literally play only 20 events and easily be #1 in the world, provided the events he plays in are top finishes and victories. He did this for a number of years, albeit not to the extreme hypothetical that I am throwing out. Heck, when he got injured in '08 after the US Open, how long did he remain #1 after he went down to injury? In that scenario, Tiger was living off of the '07 season and some of the first half of the '08 season results, even though he wasn't playing anymore. The biggest problem though is that the divisors actually punish a guy who plays a ton, like Patrick Reed. Reed is consistently above 60 events in the calculation, but you max divide at 52 events. So he's essentially wasting 10 or so events towards his ranking. And not that I want to get political with this, but that sort of math is consistent with a socialist economy. Punish the hard workers, and reward those who are lazy. GREAT way to determine the best golfers in the world. G400 Driver XR 4 Fairway 16.5° Fli-Hi Utility Iron - 21° G Series 5-9 irons SM7 46°, 50°, 54° & 58° Ghost Spider S putter Nexus Laser Rangefinder Garmin Approach S20 GPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB13 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 44 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said: You do realize and understand that OWGR comes from more than just PGA tour right? So euro tour, Japanese, Australian, etc all come into play. OWGR points are given out at every sanctioned event and some events get more points than others. One event doesn’t make or break the rankings. They are also calculated over a 2 year period and on a 40 event basis. It’s one of the reasons guys like Rahm can shoot up the rankings. He had less rounds than DJ and others so as some of their events were coming off their calculations he wasn’t losing events from counting for him. I dont disagree that owgr calculations are broken but until someone figures out a better formula it is what it is and it works for the most part. And yes a player only playing in WGC and majors would be affected because when they arent playing they are losing points look st how many times in the last month the #1 spot changed each week. see reply above about how the system works. I certainly do understand that. If you look at Poulter, you can see how much one event affected a player. First off, if you look at him trying to qualify for the Masters this year, at the Match Play he was told that he only needed to be in the round of 16, he was, and then was told that wasn't good enough and that the field was set. I bet, if one of the limited field, no cut events hadn't happened, he wouldn't have been in that situation, and someone else's ranking wouldn't have been padded enough to get in. This one event affected Poulter greatly and would have caused a chain reaction of players above him padding their ranking. Of course we know he went on to win next week to get into the Masters, but that isn't the point. And as @GSwag says, Tiger abused the system, and the system fails Reed. The system isn't just broken, it is a colassal failure. Wilson Staff C300 9.0* Fujikura Pro 58 stiff Callaway Rogue 3W Mitsubishi Diamana D+ LTD 80 stiff Mizuno MP-18 MMC FLI-HI 2 iron UST Mamiya Recoil 95 stiff Ping I200's 4-W Aerotech Steelfiber I110 CW stiff Ping Glide 52* and 58* stiff Bettinardi Studio Stock #38 Armlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 17 minutes ago, GB13 said: I certainly do understand that. If you look at Poulter, you can see how much one event affected a player. First off, if you look at him trying to qualify for the Masters this year, at the Match Play he was told that he only needed to be in the round of 16, he was, and then was told that wasn't good enough and that the field was set. I bet, if one of the limited field, no cut events hadn't happened, he wouldn't have been in that situation, and someone else's ranking wouldn't have been padded enough to get in. This one event affected Poulter greatly and would have caused a chain reaction of players above him padding their ranking. Of course we know he went on to win next week to get into the Masters, but that isn't the point. And as @GSwag says, Tiger abused the system, and the system fails Reed. The system isn't just broken, it is a colassal failure. I don’t think its a failure. It’s flawed but it works and players all have the same option to game the system in the same manner tiger “gamed” it. They are independent contractors and the better they do the more flexible their schedule can be. Regardless of the system the better/dominant players are going to be ranked higher and get more perks. Those that are lower need to work harder but that’s not really any different than any other job. Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djahubes Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Maybe a overly simplistic viewpoint, but if you are really good, and win, then you will move up in the rankings. I get it, the points system is broken, but I think it is about right for the top 50 players in the world. If you are grinding it out week in and week out, you are not going to crack the top 50 no matter what. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanWJones Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 I have a few of my favorite golfers in this years event so I may be able to be pretty happy through the whole weekend! Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy SFT. SEE IT. FEEL IT. TRUST IT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBT Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 There is no way a “exhibition” like the HWGC should be awarding OWGR points, at least the Tour Championship is a season long race so it doesn’t keep people out based on their world rankings.BUT, the biggest issue I have is the fact the the HWGC awards TWICE as many OWGR points as some full field events....that ridiculous Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy XR Driver Matrix Ozik 8m3 Black Tie Shaft King F7 3W UST Mamiya Chrome Elements 7F4 Shaft King F7 5W UST Mamiya Chrome Elements 7F4 Shaft King F7 4 Hybrid Graphite Designs Tour AD-HY 95 Shaft PXG 0211 DC 5-PW Mitsubishi MMT 80 Shafts RTX ZIPCORE 50*,54*,58* UST Mamiya Recoil 95 Shafts Metal X Milled #7 with SuperStroke 2.0 grip MTB Twitter: @timldotson Instagram: timldotson Facebook: TimDotson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR1PTIK Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 19 hours ago, GSwag said: Total threadjack where I am going here, but I'll use Alabama from last year (and a few years back) as an example of how your argument here fails. Alabama has lost it's DIVISION several times (by losing to Auburn), and didn't even play in the SEC championship game, but yet, here they are in the playoffs and playing for a national championship. So if you want to talk about a REALLY bad comparison, there you are. Alabama didn't work harder than anyone else, they actually got rewarded for losing, by getting the week off and therefore being better rested then the other 3 teams in the final four. So what a shock when Alabama is better rested, and better prepared for the final two games. They have more strength and more endurance then a Georgia who had to play Auburn in the championship game, just to make the playoffs. Alabama sat at home and the media ate up every whining word Saban threw out there about how his team deserved to be in the playoffs. No you don't Nick; you lost your division. You don't deserve anything. It's actually a similar comparison to the OWGR and the top players. They get to skip all the regular events, and just focus on the events they want to, which means that they are better rested, and better prepared for the majors, and other top events. Meanwhile, some new kid who is just starting out has to play in any event he gets into, just to get a chance of making the majors, or other big events. He works his tail off for an entire year, nearly killing himself on the road week in and week out, adding a ton of stress to an already stressful game. And he's living out of his car, and staying in cheap hotels and driving to every event, because he can't afford Wheels Up to take him wherever he wants with his entourage. His entourage was him and his caddie, who were last seen at Waffle House, because that's all they could afford after missing the cut last week. Those prima donas at the top of the rankings, and the top of college football don't work harder. They just get more money thrown at them, and get the best of the perks and privileges that come with having a name and living off of previous year's success (cough cough, Jordan Spieth). Wow, you don't sound bitter at all. LOL. I'll just skip past your first paragraph since you seem to be traumatized by the event. You're right, new guys on tour do have to play a lot of tournaments. AND if they're any good at all, they'll win or place well consistently and move up in the OWGR. It's pretty simple. The guys that get to rest and skip events are able to do so because they already paid their dues and posses the talent to hold their ranking near or at the top of the game. How is that unfair? You don't get to start a career as the CEO of a fortune 500 company (unless serious nepotism is involved). You work your way up from a lower position and maybe move from one employer to another in the process until you've acquired the requisite skills and knowledge to lead. Now that may be a pretty simplistic example and sure their are plenty of other factors (including personal relationships and ability to navigate the politics of business) involved with career advancement. The point is we're talking about golf and a ranking system. It's not perfect, but it's pretty damn simple to see how it works and if a player wants to advance they know what tournaments they need to get into. Regardless, they still have to be able to play. So I guess to conclude, is it fair? No, maybe not. Is it justified? Absolutely. Why would anyone throw more and more money and opportunity at an individual or team that can't offer a good return? That's pretty much how life works whether you like it or not. Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 I agree with some of the arguments about OWGR, but think about the charities that this tournament supports. The golf season is over. It's been a tough schedule, especially towards the end. It's the holiday season, and an opportunity for golfers to be with family. A tournament like this, whether it's Tiger's or anyone else's, can only happen at this time of the year. How do you get the top players to compete for the charity? They don't need the money; but OWGR points get's their attention. It ensures a top field. I don't know who determines how many points are awarded and how deep in the field should get them, but I don't like players getting them just to show up. You want points? Earn them! Maybe only the top 10 should get points. As far as having a bigger field... I don't see the point. The best players are present, so people will watch, and the charities benefit. Lower tier players can move up by playing well in other tournaments; just play better. “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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