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34 minutes ago, revkev said:

Ouch - I'm in the danger zone at my club tomorrow.  Staff Christmas party is there.  It's paid for by the Church but it goes on my account - all $1,100 of it.  I customarily pick up a round for everyone (over and above the two glasses of wine or 2 beers that they get with the meal.)  However most don't take me up on it so this tab is normally around $200 - but someone could easily abuse things and run it up on me. 

It's a great perk of membership but should be respected.  I guess that could be said for any line of credit but we crazy golfers tend to get tunnel vision when the latest equipment shows up in the shop.  Which can be dangerous!

To your point, I have noticed when we go to functions at other venues, I tend to be somewhat underwhelmed.  Nobody puts on a shindig quite like the staff at a well run golf club.  My company Christmas party was last week at a historic hotel nearby.  It left a lot to be desired, especially when compared to the parties I have attended at my home club.

Good luck tomorrow and enjoy! 

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Golf can be played by anyone. You can get a box set for $300 and play at a publinks course for $10. Sure, some of us don't have the means to be Scotty collectors, but we can still go play a few times

Let’s be honest.Who is golf really for? Honestly... golf is for anyone these days. You don't have to be some corporate suit or belong to a fancy club like back in the old days when it was only

Golf is for the patient, the competitive, the social, the drinker, the frustrated, the content, the challenge, the exercise, the outdoors, the sunshine, the wind, the different, the amazing, the good

4 minutes ago, GSwag said:

I'm certainly digressing from the OP, but in this case, who cares.  When I was growing up, Disney was the place you went if you couldn't afford a real vacation, because it was a cheap alternative for a family vacation.  Now it's the opposite.  Frankly, I think Walt Disney is rolling in his grave at the obsessive greed of the Disney company.  But honestly, it's pure capitalism at work.  The attendance at Disney parks is at a record high, and grows every year.  Frankly, I think Disney doesn't charge enough under those circumstances.  It's sort of like greens fees at a golf course.  You cost out the greens fees until you get the perfect balance of people for tee times and tee times available.  If you have open tee times, lower your prices at those times.  If you have high demand for certain tee times, raise the prices.  That's what Disney has been doing, but it doesn't seem to stop the mobs.  They just keep coming and coming and coming.  But it's hysterical to me though, because if you spend 10 hours of your day in a park, chances are you spent 9 out of those 10 hours standing in line waiting for a stupid 2 minute ride.  Who's the fool now?

Truer words have never been spoken on this site!  We took our daughters to Disney World a couple of years ago.  A 6 day trip consisting of passes to the Parks for 4 days ended up costing my family a cool 4 grand!  We spent those 4 days waiting to ride 7 rides per day on average.

I could have flown us to Hawaii for a week for not a lot more!

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A round around my neck of the woods is $25 with a cart so... golf for all?


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Even at this time of year, I can typically find a round for less than $35 including cart. Add some pretty inexpensive clubs (I bought my son some brand new Wilson DI-9's at a yard sale for 15 bucks) and you can play a couple times a month for a lot less than many people spend going to the movies.

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On ‎12‎/‎20‎/‎2018 at 11:56 AM, sixcat said:

It's a great perk of membership but should be respected.  I guess that could be said for any line of credit but we crazy golfers tend to get tunnel vision when the latest equipment shows up in the shop.  Which can be dangerous!

To your point, I have noticed when we go to functions at other venues, I tend to be somewhat underwhelmed.  Nobody puts on a shindig quite like the staff at a well run golf club.  My company Christmas party was last week at a historic hotel nearby.  It left a lot to be desired, especially when compared to the parties I have attended at my home club.

Good luck tomorrow and enjoy! 

This is the 4th year we've had our staff party at the club.  They take great care of us.  The wine flows, no one is counting the actual number of drinks and the food is outstanding.  The venue is beautiful, the room well appointed, overlooks 18 and 9 and the wedding lawn where I once had a bride blow away on me (almost into a pond.)  I've posted pics of that view in pics from the course on several occasions.

I must say that our new event's director did not make a great first impression though.  Our last one was Aces.  She is pregnant with her first child, very happy for her, this one will not last unless she learns that personality counts.  And I'm pretty forgiving and gracious, she's going to fare far worse with many of the other members and other groups that come in.

She was visibly upset that we had the audacity to bring four extra people with us (we had tried to reach her yesterday to let her know and she didn't return our calls) and was not at all visible during the party itself, didn't check in on us once and never with me at all until the end when she was concerned about payment.  Of course I had already settled up with the girls because I wanted to make sure that they got tipped properly for their efforts - over and above the 19 percent on the tab - that means that she didn't communicate with them.  Very poor form to ask a long standing member who is a pastor about the tab when he has already paid it - I bring the club at least 10K in business every year - this party is always between 1500 and 2000 and I'm good for at least one wedding reception, sometimes more.

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Above all, Clubs are a people business so if you don't have that in front facing employees it downgrades the entire Club experience.


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Consider parents who have children playing hockey up here in Canada. They easily spend upwards of a few thousand dollars each winter on it.

Equipment, fees, travel expenses, hotel accommodations (for out of town games and weekend long tournaments), and gas.

It all depends upon ones priorities.

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Honestly, like any other sport or hobby, it's for the person who enjoys it.  Yes, it is a bit more expensive than some sports but much less than others.  

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Honestly, like any other sport or hobby, it's for the person who enjoys it.  Yes, it is a bit more expensive than some sports but much less than others.  

One of our granddaughters among other things was a very good figure skater, want to see expensive
Our daughter made her chose, she went with Varsity softball & volleyball.


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If one looks at the cost of golf alone, then they can pigeon-hole it to this who have money. But, if we look at it from the angle of longevity, it’s one of the sports we can play for a lifetime! I miss hooping a TON! I loved it. My body just can’t anymore. I would’ve hopped until I died if the body would’ve let me. So, I have golf to take me the rest of the way! In this essence, it’s for EVERYONE. It can be played alone, in peace and quiet, or it can be played in groups, for social reasons. It’s fun, and frustrating, and it will NEVER be conquered.

Yeah, it’s for everyone.


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Golf is for all.

There are different levels of enjoyment and obsession just like in any hobby.


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On 12/21/2018 at 6:36 PM, revkev said:

This is the 4th year we've had our staff party at the club.  They take great care of us.  The wine flows, no one is counting the actual number of drinks and the food is outstanding.  The venue is beautiful, the room well appointed, overlooks 18 and 9 and the wedding lawn where I once had a bride blow away on me (almost into a pond.)  I've posted pics of that view in pics from the course on several occasions.

I must say that our new event's director did not make a great first impression though.  Our last one was Aces.  She is pregnant with her first child, very happy for her, this one will not last unless she learns that personality counts.  And I'm pretty forgiving and gracious, she's going to fare far worse with many of the other members and other groups that come in.

She was visibly upset that we had the audacity to bring four extra people with us (we had tried to reach her yesterday to let her know and she didn't return our calls) and was not at all visible during the party itself, didn't check in on us once and never with me at all until the end when she was concerned about payment.  Of course I had already settled up with the girls because I wanted to make sure that they got tipped properly for their efforts - over and above the 19 percent on the tab - that means that she didn't communicate with them.  Very poor form to ask a long standing member who is a pastor about the tab when he has already paid it - I bring the club at least 10K in business every year - this party is always between 1500 and 2000 and I'm good for at least one wedding reception, sometimes more.

My wife was an events and activities coordinator and later, director for about 12 years before transitioning into business and economic development.  Once we had children, working late nights and virtually every weekend became something she no longer cared to do.

She often says in the events field, personality is 85% of the job.  It comes naturally to some, other have to work at it.  Those who don't learn the distinction between the two will be doing something different in short order.

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This is the 4th year we've had our staff party at the club.  They take great care of us.  The wine flows, no one is counting the actual number of drinks and the food is outstanding.  The venue is beautiful, the room well appointed, overlooks 18 and 9 and the wedding lawn where I once had a bride blow away on me (almost into a pond.)  I've posted pics of that view in pics from the course on several occasions.
I must say that our new event's director did not make a great first impression though.  Our last one was Aces.  She is pregnant with her first child, very happy for her, this one will not last unless she learns that personality counts.  And I'm pretty forgiving and gracious, she's going to fare far worse with many of the other members and other groups that come in.
She was visibly upset that we had the audacity to bring four extra people with us (we had tried to reach her yesterday to let her know and she didn't return our calls) and was not at all visible during the party itself, didn't check in on us once and never with me at all until the end when she was concerned about payment.  Of course I had already settled up with the girls because I wanted to make sure that they got tipped properly for their efforts - over and above the 19 percent on the tab - that means that she didn't communicate with them.  Very poor form to ask a long standing member who is a pastor about the tab when he has already paid it - I bring the club at least 10K in business every year - this party is always between 1500 and 2000 and I'm good for at least one wedding reception, sometimes more.

Unfortunately they made a bad hire probably a daughter or daughter in law of a member. If there is enough problems they will ease her out, Martorelli a position better suited for her.


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On ‎12‎/‎19‎/‎2018 at 3:37 PM, Twofer said:

What segment or social class is golf really meant for?What would be some of the bare economic standards needed 

This is starting to sound like a grad student putting together their final thesis.  Since you are so new to MGS, TWOFER, I think you need to give us a bit more reason to keep this game going.

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38 minutes ago, kardboard.kid said:

This is starting to sound like a grad student putting together their final thesis.  Since you are so new to MGS, TWOFER, I think you need to give us a bit more reason to keep this game going.

Yeah this is kind of looking like someone researching.  It’s a hobby for the large majority of society each one does it fit different reasons and goes about the season differently. Like any hobby it can be enjoyed by all and for a long time

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Id say its probably for middle middle class or higher.  It takes someone who both has the disposable income for golf and has the time to practice and play.

Golf doesnt have to be expensive but it does take time and dedication to play golf at a level where its actually enjoyable.

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2 hours ago, Zengolfer said:

Id say its probably for middle middle class or higher.  It takes someone who both has the disposable income for golf and has the time to practice and play.

Golf doesnt have to be expensive but it does take time and dedication to play golf at a level where its actually enjoyable.

Do you think the guy or girl that goes out with his buddies every weekend to spend time with them and doesn’t care if he scores high or low doesn’t enjoy golf?  

Imo everyone plays for different reasons and gets enjoyment from it in different ways. Sure some may get upset at a bad round but at the end of the day they still had fun and enjoyed the round 

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So many good takes here... it's tough to add to them.  So let me just mix this in... it's possible to play golf for free if you want it badly enough.  Get a part-time job at a course, or volunteer at a First Tee facility with a course.  Hell, they'll probably have an old set they'll lend you if you don't have any equipment.  So if you're really looking to control costs, you can probably get away with playing for the cost of balls and gas to/from the course.  That's about as accessible as it gets.

Now, what I'd love to see is big-name private clubs raffle off tee times to raise money for a grow-the-game initiative.  Please tell me that if ANGC, Shinnecock Hills, Cypress Point and the like did such a thing that they wouldn't raise a fortune.  And generate some goodwill in the process.

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18 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Do you think the guy or girl that goes out with his buddies every weekend to spend time with them and doesn’t care if he scores high or low doesn’t enjoy golf?  

Imo everyone plays for different reasons and gets enjoyment from it in different ways. Sure some may get upset at a bad round but at the end of the day they still had fun and enjoyed the round 

I can tell you from personal experience that most of them probably dont enjoy it all that much.  I see a lot of fear, anxiety and self-loathing in the random groups that I get places with when I show up as a single.

Golf is something that takes time, dedication and practice to play at a level where its fun.  Anything other than that, even in people who say they dont care what they shoot, is little more than someone being a good sport, IMO.

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1 hour ago, Zengolfer said:

I can tell you from personal experience that most of them probably dont enjoy it all that much.  I see a lot of fear, anxiety and self-loathing in the random groups that I get places with when I show up as a single.

Golf is something that takes time, dedication and practice to play at a level where its fun.  Anything other than that, even in people who say they dont care what they shoot, is little more than someone being a good sport, IMO.

Have you gone to talk to any of them to see if what you perceived as them not enjoying themselves is true.  When I first started playing I would have done very high scores and would be frustrated. I would throw clubs, get ticked off, etc. but at the end of the day I still enjoyed myself and the round. 

To say those fandoms you see or to say it takes time and practice to get to a level of enjoyment is painting with a petty big brush and a very broad geverailztion that imo isn’t really true.

i play a lot of golf with random pairings of all skill levels and there hasn’t been one person who I met that walked off the course and didn’t have some enjoyment from playing the game. I recently played with an older couple who played from the same tees I did an they never reached the fairway off the tee and rarely had a chance to make par. They play 3-5 times a week because they enjoy being on the course and playing g the game. Could they enjoy it more by moving up a tee box or two? Probably but they choose not too and never complained once about not hitting the fairway or getting on/near the green in regulation 

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