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So I am at my local golf shop today, and witnessed this exchange for the 50000th time. I am on the range tryng out the new Bridgestone J38 driver and fairway woods, when a 20 something dude come out to the range to hit some irons. The fitter, who I know (I'm a bit of a regular) asks the dude how far he hits his 7 iron. Dude replies "Like 190-195". Salesman turns to go back inside and find some stiffer irons for this dude to hit, and I watch him hit a small bucket with a 7 iron at the 153 flag, and never come close. When the salesman comes back, the dude asks "How far is that flag?? 200??". When informed it is 153, he then inquires if the range balls are restricted flight. The sales guy then tells him that the balls are about one club short on the range, which I find to be absolutely true. I hit my 8 about 155 in the summer, and I hit the 153 flag with a 7 all day. The dude then goes on and on about how far he hits this club and that club, and how much his back hurts... Ect. So, when it comes time for him to get fit for irons, dude decides he wants x flex irons because he read online that if he hits his 7 iron "195" he needs an X. I have purchased several clubs from this fitter, and never once recieved bad info. Why do people do this?? Anyone??

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Your always going to have those people who show up and talk a big game, but yet can't back it up when it's go time. I get pure enjoyment watching these said people who act all big and bad. I would rather be honest that to make a complete fool out of myself doing something like that.

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I don't have an answer as to why people do this, but I can tell you that it's universal (at least it's true everywhere I've ever lived). I used to work in golf retail and may personal favorite was, "I hit my driver too high, it only goes like 275."

 

One additional thought: I don't know that people think that they are lying. I think many people have convinced themselves that they hit their irons/driver that far.

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For me, I try to be very honest when I shop for sticks. I lay my suckage out there so I can get help.

Who knows though. One guy in our group who is a hack like me in convinced that if he goes to blades, they will force him to improve. This is after slicing the slice-proof Nike 5900 into the trees, again.

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Your always going to have those people who show up and talk a big game, but yet can't back it up when it's go time. I get pure enjoyment watching these said people who act all big and bad. I would rather be honest that to make a complete fool out of myself doing something like that.

 

 

I agree, if the guy is going to be helping me buy clubs to fix my game, it would help if he knew the truth....

 

The way I see it, it's like lying to your Dr.

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I agree, if the guy is going to be helping me buy clubs to fix my game, it would help if he knew the truth....

 

The way I see it, it's like lying to your Dr.

 

Mudfish, I think you hit the nail on the head. You wouldn't lie to your doctor so why lie about your golf game. It doesn't get you anywhere if you can't be honest about your flaws.

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I agree, if the guy is going to be helping me buy clubs to fix my game, it would help if he knew the truth....

 

The way I see it, it's like lying to your Dr.

 

OK so I may exaggerate my flossing schedule to the dentist.

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I hit my 7-iron about 160 yards and I'm a scratch golfer. I'm by no means really long, but I'm longer than most non-scratch amateurs. So I laugh when somebody says they hit their 7-iron 180 yards. I think the longer golfer hits their 7-iron about 170-175 yards long. Again, the longer golfer.

 

I play with one guy, a pro, who hits his 7-iron a legit 200-210 yards. One hole is a par-3 and he hits his 7-iron there while I'm using a 4-iron.

 

He also hits his driver about 330-350 yards. Just super long.

 

So when somebody says they hit their 7-iron 190 yards long, either they are lying or coming up short on the irons all of the time.

 

 

 

 

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I'll admit when I first started playing I always thought I was longer than I was but it was insecurity and the fast that I was like 16 lol. I git my 7 iron about 160-165 but I tend to fade the ball a little and I do not catch it crisp every single time. My brother-in-law is one of those guys in the story but his 7 iron really does go about 190 but he hits about 1 in 50 balls striaght, then when I try and help him he thinks he knows better. He is a 25-30 handicap and I'm an 8.

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Accurate assessment of one's ability only makes the game easier. I will take straight over long every time at this point. The proclaimed extra yardage in the 09 Burners that I bought was nice, but I bought them because I hit them straighter than the other irons.

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wouldn't all this nonsense be revealed during the fitting? I mean nowadays with all the technology your clubhead speed, ball speed, launch angle, etc. pretty much tells the tale. I would hope the salesmen wouldn't incorrectly fit a guy into his ego.

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wouldn't all this nonsense be revealed during the fitting? I mean nowadays with all the technology your clubhead speed, ball speed, launch angle, etc. pretty much tells the tale. I would hope the salesmen wouldn't incorrectly fit a guy into his ego.

 

I don't know that showing the data would be enough. Some folk will refuse to believe the fitter. I see this in education all the time. Plus if the person wants to buy an expensive set of ill-fitting clubs against the recommendation of the fitter, that is his or her choice. Ultimately, the shop needs the sale and the customer gets what he deserved. Maybe the shop will also then get to sell a second (correct) set to the person down the road.

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I laugh at these guys too. In the end they are only hurting themselves by "altering" the truth. To me, its not how far you hit it, its how good of a ball striker you are on a consistent basis.

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I agree, if the guy is going to be helping me buy clubs to fix my game, it would help if he knew the truth....

 

The way I see it, it's like lying to your Dr.

I KNOW you've told your dentist you floss more than you do, however. ;)

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I just don't see the benefit in having a big head. If you don't have the game to back up what you are saying then it is doing you absolutely no good!! I have always tried to be honest about my game. I am sure there are times I am not certain about things and I might over shoot on distances, but not to the point to where I look like a complete liar.

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Maybe it is the ultimate form of hero worship. You buy what tiger plays so you can be like Tiger, or another player if Tiger is a no-go for you. This is true for so many consumer goods. Buy what she wears to be like her. Different cars project different lifestyles. The problem with golf is that you actually have to play too. Sometimes I think it works backward too though. I don't even demo Titleist clubs because I don't think I have the game for them. I see the brand a too much of a players club line for me, so I look to Cobra and others that I see as more appropriate. Once I can hit wedge into that 180 yard par 3 then I will look for the AP2s though. Very nice looking clubs.

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