STUDque Posted February 11, 2019 Author Share Posted February 11, 2019 Ok so we did this after the first event last year and I wanted to do it again since we've got lots of fresh eyes. Scoring check. Does the points scoring balance seem appropriate? Is there anything that seems unfair or skewed or is something missing from the stats? Keep in mind, advanced stats like sandies and the like aren't yet available but I could check with Fantrax to see if it can be added. Changing the stats could affect outcomes from the first week like it did last year, but that's better than riding out a whole season in unbalance. Let's run this like a typical committee. If someone comes up with a suggestion that gets seconded, I'll put it to a league vote. Majority rules from there. bardle 1 Quote In my Pisa, riding on a 3.5+ G410+ EXS 5W King F7 Hy i500 5-GW Equalizer 56/60 Heppler Ketsch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucky CC Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 At first glance it seems pretty solid. Looks like we’ll have to wait until Monday to see the final stats though.Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Quote Driver: RADSPEED 10.5°, Project X Even Flow RIPTIDE 60 6.5 Fairway Wood: Rogue ST LS 16.5°, Mitsubishi TENSEI AV White 75 X 3 Hybrid: F9, LA Golf Tour AXS Red 85 X 4 Iron: Ping G410 Crossover 5-PW: JPX 919 Forged, KBS Tour Stiff Wedges: Jet Black 50°08F, 54°12D, 58°08M, True Temper Dynamic Gold Black S200 Putter: StrokeLab White Hot OG #7, 35", Evnroll Tourtac grip Putter2: Array F-2 Currently testing the Edel Array putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poprocksncoke Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Looks good to me Sent from my SM-G930V using MyGolfSpy mobile app Quote SLDR 10.5 Oban HB R11s Rip Phenom Ft. Worth Black Irons 588 RTX Rotex 2.0 54 CG10 58 EV 5.3 Duo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 The only gripe I have is the missed cut losing points. We are already not getting points for 2 days. Do we penalize players that sit a football game in the second half? StrokerAce 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undershooter Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Shankster said: The only gripe I have is the missed cut losing points. We are already not getting points for 2 days. Do we penalize players that sit a football game in the second half? Not a bad point. Nullify points for making a cut/missing it. It'll work itself out. Unless the player completes embarrasses himself on the weekend and then it's his own fault anyway. Shankster 1 Quote Driver- Tmag 2017 M2 tour issue 8.5* actual loft 7.8* w/ HZRDS Green PVD 70TX" Fairway Metal- Taylormade SLDR Mini Driver 12* w/ Fujikura Rombax TP95-X" Utility- Mizuno MPH5 1 iron w/ Aldila RIP 85X (depending on course/ conditions) Irons- Mizuno MP- FLI HI 2i w/ Aldila Proto ByYou 100X Mizuno MP59 4i-6I w/ PX 6.5 Mizuno MP69 7i-PW w/ PX 6.5 Wedges- Scratch 8620 Driver/Slider set. 50*, 54* bent to 55* and 60* Putter- Taylormade Spider Tour w/ flow neck Ball- Bridgestone Tour B X Bag- Sun Mountain C130 Supercharged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGoBlue100 Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Not a bad point. Nullify points for making a cut/missing it. It'll work itself out. Unless the player completes embarrasses himself on the weekend and then it's his own fault anyway. Which I definitely had happen last year. Sometimes missing a cut and taking the hit is better than leaving a guy for the weekend. You can take a massive hit if he stinks it up for two (normally) days. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Shankster 1 Quote "Where'd it go?" "Right in the Lumberyard..." Gen 2 0811 XF 10.5* Graphite Design Tour AD DI-6x Gen 2 0211 15* 3W Mitsubishi Tensei Raw Blue 65-S Tour B JGR 15* Fairway UST ProForce V2 7F5 76g X-Flex (These two are gonna fight it out in early "24 to see who stays in the bag...) Tour B JGR 19* & 22* Hybrid UST ProForce V2 90g X-Flex Tour B JGR HF-2 irons (5i - PW) KBS Tour 130x CBX Wedges (50, 54, 58) TT Dynamic Gold 115 Wedge Shaft MATI Mamo Putter 33" Super Stroke Football League 3.0 Slim Hoofer Camo Stand Bag Precision Pro Nexus Rangefinder FAN! PRO Member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russtopherb Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Scoring looks good to me so far; granted I'm still getting adjusted to this format so take that with a grain of salt. Quote In my carry bag: ST-X 10.5* Kai'li Blue R Flex ST-Z 15* Kai/li Blue R Flex ST-Z 4h Linq Blue R Flex Launcher 5h Launcher CBX 6i-PW CBX 54* & 58* Huntington Beach #10 e12 Contact CURRENTLY TESTING - Mizuno Long Game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Not a bad point. Nullify points for making a cut/missing it. It'll work itself out. Unless the player completes embarrasses himself on the weekend and then it's his own fault anyway. Right especially when the cut is -3 then you lose points for missing the cut. Make the cut at -3 and go +10 on the weekend is unavoidable. But if you have a good two days miss the cut why have points taken? Usually 140ish guys trying to make the weekend, that’s only a 50% chance of making it.Which I definitely had happen last year. Sometimes missing a cut and taking the hit is better than leaving a guy for the weekend. You can take a massive hit if he stinks it up for two (normally) days. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpyI see your point here. Happened to me several times, biggest one I remember is the us open. Like US30 said just nullify both making and missing the cut points and it won’t have any change in overall score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Options I see 1. Get rid of missed/made cut points.2. Keep made cut points but don’t take points for missed cut. StrokerAce and Undershooter 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrokerAce Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 First time playing this year but I don't understand negative points....seems like the lowest you should go is zero...so many variables in play; injury, sickness, family issues, weather, etc. that punitive points is a bit harsh. ...this is just from the outside looking in. I probably have little to no chance either way so I'll go with whatever the consensus is. Quote Driver- Cobra Aerojet LS Woods- Cobra LTD 3w 15*, 5W 19*, F9 24* Irons- XXIO X (6-A) Wedges- Callaway Jaws Raw (54/58) Putter- Bettinardi BB56 Ball- Maxfli Tour X Buggy- Motocaddy M7 GPS Remote Electric Caddy Bag- Motocaddy Dry-Series Proudly testing for 2024: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbmullin Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Options I see 1. Get rid of missed/made cut points.2. Keep made cut points but don’t take points for missed cut. I vote for option 2, there should be some reward for picking players that make the cut. I disagree with going negative for missed cuts. Sent from my SM-N960W using MyGolfSpy mobile app Quote DRIVER - Ping G425 SFT Driver Tensei AV 55 Orange Reg Flex Woods - Ping G425 7 wood Tensei AV 65 Orange Reg Flex Irons - Cobra Rad Speed 1 Length UST Recoil 780 Smacwrap Graphite Reg Flex WEDGES- Callaway jaws 52/56/60 PUTTER- Taylormade FCG spider putter 34" BALL- Pro V1x or Tp5X -- trying to figure this one out. Footjoy Tour S golf shoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy MPR Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 And one more birdie for Phil to finish off the win! Honestly, wasn't thrilled about grabbing Phil (too much variability for my liking), but I can't complain now StrokerAce 1 Quote TS3 9.5°, Tensei Blue CBX T3 15°, Project X HZRDUS Black Epic Super Hybrid 18°, Aerotech Steel Fiber FC HYB S C722 21°, Ventus Blue 8S CBX Iron-Wood 25°, Project X HZRDUS Black 6.0 639 CB, Aldila NV 95 Graphite, 6–PW CBX 48° T22 54° and 60° EAS 4.0, Garsen G-Pro grip TP5x and Tour Response Full WITB with pictures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrokerAce Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 9 minutes ago, GolfSpy MPR said: And one more birdie for Phil to finish off the win! Honestly, wasn't thrilled about grabbing Phil (too much variability for my liking), but I can't complain now Someone had a funny tweet about how the US Open is at Pebble this year and somehow Phil is going to find a way to not win it. Personally I hope he does so we can all stop talking about it. GolfSpy MPR 1 Quote Driver- Cobra Aerojet LS Woods- Cobra LTD 3w 15*, 5W 19*, F9 24* Irons- XXIO X (6-A) Wedges- Callaway Jaws Raw (54/58) Putter- Bettinardi BB56 Ball- Maxfli Tour X Buggy- Motocaddy M7 GPS Remote Electric Caddy Bag- Motocaddy Dry-Series Proudly testing for 2024: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy MPR Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Just now, GolfSpy Stroker said: Someone had a funny tweet about how the US Open is at Pebble this year and somehow Phil is going to find a way to not win it. Personally I hope he does so we can all stop talking about it. Unless I'm overlooking someone for the fourth, we could almost get a year of career Grand Slams: Rory wins the Masters Phil at the US Open Spieth at the PGA Is anyone a British Open away from the career Slam? StrokerAce 1 Quote TS3 9.5°, Tensei Blue CBX T3 15°, Project X HZRDUS Black Epic Super Hybrid 18°, Aerotech Steel Fiber FC HYB S C722 21°, Ventus Blue 8S CBX Iron-Wood 25°, Project X HZRDUS Black 6.0 639 CB, Aldila NV 95 Graphite, 6–PW CBX 48° T22 54° and 60° EAS 4.0, Garsen G-Pro grip TP5x and Tour Response Full WITB with pictures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrokerAce Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Hopefully Rickie gets his first. Shankster and GolfSpy MPR 2 Quote Driver- Cobra Aerojet LS Woods- Cobra LTD 3w 15*, 5W 19*, F9 24* Irons- XXIO X (6-A) Wedges- Callaway Jaws Raw (54/58) Putter- Bettinardi BB56 Ball- Maxfli Tour X Buggy- Motocaddy M7 GPS Remote Electric Caddy Bag- Motocaddy Dry-Series Proudly testing for 2024: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undershooter Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 22 minutes ago, GolfSpy MPR said: Unless I'm overlooking someone for the fourth, we could almost get a year of career Grand Slams: Rory wins the Masters Phil at the US Open Spieth at the PGA Is anyone a British Open away from the career Slam? Nobody that's still playing. Floyd and Nelson both never completed the slam because of the Open. Spieth, Rory and Phil are the only 3 still playing that are a major short that I can think of. Also, I played the top scoring team and 3rd best scoring team in the league this week. Fun GolfSpy MPR and STUDque 1 1 Quote Driver- Tmag 2017 M2 tour issue 8.5* actual loft 7.8* w/ HZRDS Green PVD 70TX" Fairway Metal- Taylormade SLDR Mini Driver 12* w/ Fujikura Rombax TP95-X" Utility- Mizuno MPH5 1 iron w/ Aldila RIP 85X (depending on course/ conditions) Irons- Mizuno MP- FLI HI 2i w/ Aldila Proto ByYou 100X Mizuno MP59 4i-6I w/ PX 6.5 Mizuno MP69 7i-PW w/ PX 6.5 Wedges- Scratch 8620 Driver/Slider set. 50*, 54* bent to 55* and 60* Putter- Taylormade Spider Tour w/ flow neck Ball- Bridgestone Tour B X Bag- Sun Mountain C130 Supercharged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00sportsman Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Jbmullin said: I vote for option 2, there should be some reward for picking players that make the cut. I disagree with going negative for missed cuts. Sent from my SM-N960W using MyGolfSpy mobile app I'm in agreement. You should definitely get credit for players making the cut, and missing out on two days of potential scoring for a missed cut is penalty enough. Undershooter and Shankster 2 Quote I always try to remember that I'm not good enough to get mad! My Bag: G400 Max G30 3W King S9-1 5W Aeroburner 3 Rescue/Hybrid G400 5-UW RTX4 52* and 56* 2Bar Mallet Traverse II Cart Bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berg Ryman Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 To everyone bemoaning the lost points from missing the cut, you realize it's only -1 right? It would have no substantive effect on scores from change it from 0 to -1, so we might, but it seems a bit of an overreaction from my perspective. I mean, I guess it's a three point swing from the start of the week, but no score has been within the margin again for it to be a difference. GB13, MGoBlue100 and DannyDips 3 Quote In a Hoofer Lite bag TSR2, 10 degrees, A1 setting, Fujikara Speeder NX Blue 50-S Stealth, 15 degrees, VA Composites Nemesys 70-S E722, 19 degrees, Oban Devotion 80-S JPX 921 Hot Metal Pro 4-P, Nippon 950GH Stiff Flex CBX Zipcore 50* (bent to *49) and RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 54* (bent to *55), DG 115 Spinner, Tour Issue Staff Model TG 60*, Dynamic Gold 120 S300 SIK Golf Flo-C Tour B-XS (2022 Model) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB13 Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 15 minutes ago, Berg Ryman said: To everyone bemoaning the lost points from missing the cut, you realize it's only -1 right? It would have no substantive effect on scores from change it from 0 to -1, so we might, but it seems a bit of an overreaction from my perspective. I mean, I guess it's a three point swing from the start of the week, but no score has been within the margin again for it to be a difference. I totally agree! My only suggestion was to take away more points for a MC but based on the previous comments, I'd think that would get outvoted. DannyDips 1 Quote Wilson Staff C300 9.0* Fujikura Pro 58 stiff Callaway Rogue 3W Mitsubishi Diamana D+ LTD 80 stiff Mizuno MP-18 MMC FLI-HI 2 iron UST Mamiya Recoil 95 stiff Ping I200's 4-W Aerotech Steelfiber I110 CW stiff Ping Glide 52* and 58* stiff Bettinardi Studio Stock #38 Armlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Forget it. Leave it as it is. Just wait till 4 of 4 miss cut. You’ll change your minds. Undershooter and MGoBlue100 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB13 Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Shankster said: Forget it. Leave it as it is. Just wait till 4 of 4 miss cut. You’ll change your minds. If 4 of 4 miss the cut, I'm gonna lose either way. Edited February 11, 2019 by GB13 STUDque, TSauer, DannyDips and 1 other 4 Quote Wilson Staff C300 9.0* Fujikura Pro 58 stiff Callaway Rogue 3W Mitsubishi Diamana D+ LTD 80 stiff Mizuno MP-18 MMC FLI-HI 2 iron UST Mamiya Recoil 95 stiff Ping I200's 4-W Aerotech Steelfiber I110 CW stiff Ping Glide 52* and 58* stiff Bettinardi Studio Stock #38 Armlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berg Ryman Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 25 minutes ago, Shankster said: Forget it. Leave it as it is. Just wait till 4 of 4 miss cut. You’ll change your minds. Shanks, you realize you're talking to a dude who scored negative points more often than anyone else last season right? Also, for reference last year the scoring for a made and missed cut was +10 for a make, -5 for a miss, birdies were +10 and bogey were -5. This year, cuts made are +2, missed are -1... ironically enough birdies are +2, bogeys are -1. Hell, this year we're giving you points for pars, a half point, but points none the less. So, there's no difference from last year to this year, just lowering of the scores so they don't do crazy and are actually less penal. Just trying to be open about it. MGoBlue100 1 Quote In a Hoofer Lite bag TSR2, 10 degrees, A1 setting, Fujikara Speeder NX Blue 50-S Stealth, 15 degrees, VA Composites Nemesys 70-S E722, 19 degrees, Oban Devotion 80-S JPX 921 Hot Metal Pro 4-P, Nippon 950GH Stiff Flex CBX Zipcore 50* (bent to *49) and RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 54* (bent to *55), DG 115 Spinner, Tour Issue Staff Model TG 60*, Dynamic Gold 120 S300 SIK Golf Flo-C Tour B-XS (2022 Model) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 If 4 of 4 miss the cut, I'm gonna lose either way. Not necessarily. Say you have 4 dudes that miss the cut at -3, they are all at -2. Your opponent has one guy playing that made the cut but goes +12 on the weekend... those 4 points could help more than you’d think. StrokerAce 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrokerAce Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 I agree with Alan...I think that punishing a guy who played well, just not well enough, to make the cut is unfair. I realize it is a minor deduction but in my opinion the important thing is the principle involved. At at the end of the day those minor deductions could make a major difference. Camcmart, Undershooter, Shankster and 1 other 4 Quote Driver- Cobra Aerojet LS Woods- Cobra LTD 3w 15*, 5W 19*, F9 24* Irons- XXIO X (6-A) Wedges- Callaway Jaws Raw (54/58) Putter- Bettinardi BB56 Ball- Maxfli Tour X Buggy- Motocaddy M7 GPS Remote Electric Caddy Bag- Motocaddy Dry-Series Proudly testing for 2024: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_BNG Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Not necessarily. Say you have 4 dudes that miss the cut at -3, they are all at -2. Your opponent has one guy playing that made the cut but goes +12 on the weekend... those 4 points could help more than you’d think.Just playing devil's advocate here but wouldn't that mean it is only 1 point since the opponent lost 3 from his guys that didn't make it. I guess I only see the negative points mattering in a tie breaker situation at the end of the year. Sent from my Moto Z3 Play using MyGolfSpy mobile app Quote What is in my Sun Mountain C-130 bag or Jones MyGolfSpy bag Driver: Dark speed LS 8* set to -1.5* with an Attas Daaas 4x shaft @ 45” Fairway: F85 3 wood with a XPhplexx Agera X @ 42.5” F85 5 wood with a UST Elements Chrome 7F5 @ 41.5" Driving Iron: Rapture 2-Iron Irons: SMS Pros 4-PW with Steelfiber I95s Wedges: SMS 50* T grind with Steelfiber i110s Glide 4.0 46* zz wedge shaft Glide 4.0 E grind 54* zz wedge shaft Putters: Mezz.1 34” 69* lie EV5.1 black 33.5” 69* lie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berg Ryman Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT FROM THE COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE Gentlemen, On the homepage of the league there are currently two live polls for potential scoring changes. They are as follows 1) Missed Cuts, Score them as 0 or score them as -1 2) Pars, Score them as .5 or Score them as .25 POLLS CLOSE AT 5:00 EST, WEDNESDAY FEBRUARY 13 SO ADJUSTMENTS CAN BE MADE FOR WEEK 2 STUDque 1 Quote In a Hoofer Lite bag TSR2, 10 degrees, A1 setting, Fujikara Speeder NX Blue 50-S Stealth, 15 degrees, VA Composites Nemesys 70-S E722, 19 degrees, Oban Devotion 80-S JPX 921 Hot Metal Pro 4-P, Nippon 950GH Stiff Flex CBX Zipcore 50* (bent to *49) and RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 54* (bent to *55), DG 115 Spinner, Tour Issue Staff Model TG 60*, Dynamic Gold 120 S300 SIK Golf Flo-C Tour B-XS (2022 Model) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Record is -6 not making the cut. Points are points fellas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undershooter Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Berg Ryman said: Shanks, you realize you're talking to a dude who scored negative points more often than anyone else last season right? Also, for reference last year the scoring for a made and missed cut was +10 for a make, -5 for a miss, birdies were +10 and bogey were -5. This year, cuts made are +2, missed are -1... ironically enough birdies are +2, bogeys are -1. Hell, this year we're giving you points for pars, a half point, but points none the less. So, there's no difference from last year to this year, just lowering of the scores so they don't do crazy and are actually less penal. Just trying to be open about it. I was still under the impression that they were -5. So that's my fault. I do think that no deduction at all is slightly more fair. Just my 2 cents. Quote Driver- Tmag 2017 M2 tour issue 8.5* actual loft 7.8* w/ HZRDS Green PVD 70TX" Fairway Metal- Taylormade SLDR Mini Driver 12* w/ Fujikura Rombax TP95-X" Utility- Mizuno MPH5 1 iron w/ Aldila RIP 85X (depending on course/ conditions) Irons- Mizuno MP- FLI HI 2i w/ Aldila Proto ByYou 100X Mizuno MP59 4i-6I w/ PX 6.5 Mizuno MP69 7i-PW w/ PX 6.5 Wedges- Scratch 8620 Driver/Slider set. 50*, 54* bent to 55* and 60* Putter- Taylormade Spider Tour w/ flow neck Ball- Bridgestone Tour B X Bag- Sun Mountain C130 Supercharged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STUDque Posted February 11, 2019 Author Share Posted February 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Undershooter30 said: I was still under the impression that they were -5. So that's my fault. I do think that no deduction at all is slightly more fair. Just my 2 cents. The weighting from last year to this year is the same, I just divided all values by 5 to adjust for inflation. What used to be 5 points is now 1. What used to be 10 is 2. And so on....The only new thing is par. It seems to be a little heavy so that's why Berg and I put that one to a vote. I said it once but I'll say it again to be sure, any scoring changes we decide on will retroactively affect week 1 also. That's why we're just taking this one crack at a rebalance now that everyone has seen it in action. . DannyDips and Undershooter 2 Quote In my Pisa, riding on a 3.5+ G410+ EXS 5W King F7 Hy i500 5-GW Equalizer 56/60 Heppler Ketsch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrokerAce Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 What happens now if you start a guy who isn't playing in the tournament? Is their score -1 since he will miss the cut? Asking for a friend... Shankster and MGoBlue100 2 Quote Driver- Cobra Aerojet LS Woods- Cobra LTD 3w 15*, 5W 19*, F9 24* Irons- XXIO X (6-A) Wedges- Callaway Jaws Raw (54/58) Putter- Bettinardi BB56 Ball- Maxfli Tour X Buggy- Motocaddy M7 GPS Remote Electric Caddy Bag- Motocaddy Dry-Series Proudly testing for 2024: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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