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To your question, PULLEDABILL, I would have to think the answer is yes based on his behavior. There was another guy getting a fitting in the bay next to me - and at one point he went outside to call his wife to get "clearance" to buy whatever it was the fitter had proposed. While he was outside, my fitter said to the other guy "went to call the wife, huh"? and it sounded EXACTLY like the kind of banter you hear sometimes among car salespeople. 

I had read a number of reviews about both of the individuals that were fitting that day (my fitter and the other guy) and with one exception where a guy was upset about after the sale customer service - they were really strong reviews. Of course there's no way to tell if they were real reviews - but my gut says they were. 

I've decided to give the guy the benefit of the doubt - maybe he's under a lot of pressure or something. I learned a lot - and the discussion here has given my clarity on next steps. I had hit the Srixon's prior to the fitting and really liked them - so I'm going to proceed with those and approach the rest of the bag a step at the time. 

Happy Sunday!

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I read the OP but skimmed responses. Any idea if CC fitters get commission on sales?

If they don't, a the very least they're evaluated on the sales they produce.


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If they don't, a the very least they're evaluated on the sales they produce.


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It’s my understanding they get a salary plus commission with bonus opportunities. My best fitting irons have been when I go to a shop, hit irons by myself and am left alone with a fitting cart, impact tape and a launch monitor. From there I go by what feels best and I hit the middle of the club face the most with.


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I did an iron fitting at CC in Dec and was fit into the Srixon z585 as well. I got KBS Tour 90 shafts along with them. I did some price searching and bought directly from Srixon for $1k+ less than CC. They did the shafts, adjusted loft/lie and put on the right grips too. Much better deal. ($1,200 from Srixon vs $2,350 at CC)

As for the pushy of the fitter, that’s unfortunate. I know they make commission off of purchases. But I was fortunate enough to have a CC fitter that was more concerned with getting me set up in the right equipment vs pushing me to buy. I outright told them it wasn’t happening today and I’d shop around. While he wasn’t happy, he survived and probably got someone else to buy on the spot.

I am current a 17 Handicap and I noticed a MASSIVE difference in ball flight, distance, loft, speed and spin. I attribute most of that to the shafts and of course some of it to the head combo.


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I read the OP but skimmed responses. Any idea if CC fitters get commission on sales?


Yes. Not sure what the % is, but they definitely get commission on them.


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I went to a CC last week to retro fit a driver shaft - I recently got the PXG 0811x with a Tensei CK Pro Blue - after hitting it, I didn't like was launching too high, and spinning too much. 

My fitter told me he had played some mini tours, and seemed to be knowledgeable about the fitting process. (I had been fit twice before that at a local shop, once for irons, and once for an M1 driver). I had done some research beforehand and kinda had some ideas of what I wanted to hit, and I told him, which he obliged and then gave me similar shafts off those specs. 

Towards the end, it came down to 2 shafts - the Speeder evolution iv and the Speeder TR - the evolution I hit in a 3 wood shaft Stiff, and the TR in a normal length driver shaft but XS. The numbers were close, but I hit the Evo IV a bit better, but he put me in the TR and cut the length down to 44.5. He kinda pushed me into the TR when I liked the numbers the Evo was giving me- but it almost seemed like I didn't have an option in the end, and before I knew it he was printing out an order form. 

Looking at a place like ThePeoplesClubs I probably could have said about 100 bucks off the cost of the shaft - and I wish I would have done that - Especially because just to book the fitting it cost me $75. I will say that he waived the fitting fee of $125 or $130 or whatever it is though which was nice. 

My suggestion is, use the information you got and go someplace else to get the clubs- There are plenty of places to buy shafts, and club heads etc. Maybe you could get lucky and find some similar specs that are stock offerings - I know Srixon has quite a few, and PXG does too (although they are expensive from the beginning) 

Getting fit for me is always a fun experience as I can hit golf balls all day long. As for CC - I wouldn't go there for an iron fitting, wedge fitting, or really anything other than what I did, driver shaft only. I think I'll go back to my original fitter, or maybe try out TrueSpec.

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I'll jump in and add my thought's and experiences here. First, I'd RUN from that CC store. That's not the way you should have been treated, and honestly, I would contact the corporate arm and let them know how things went for you. While they do want to make money, they also want repeat business and your experience is no way to get it. 

In terms of the clubs, I think you need to go with what you are most comfortable with. As golfers, we always are chasing the newest and best...the longest and straightest....but it certainly also comes down to the fact that we have to be comfortable with all the different aspects of the clubs (feel, look, cost, performance, etc.) And if one of those isn't right, it makes us want to look off to something else to make it better. While the new technology can certainly help improve your game, especially from 20 years ago, there are certainly guys out there playing with clubs from 20 years ago that are still scratch....because they're comfortable with the equipment and because they have a repeatable swing which they know what will happen when they swing. 

In my experience, the club head does make a difference, but the shaft is usually the biggest difference maker...especially in irons...and you obviously will hit these the most during the round. The shaft effects the ball flight, spin, and feel...among other things. I wouldn't skimp on the shafts in your irons. In woods, it certainly makes that difference as well, but often times not to warrant spending $400+ for a single shaft.

It might make sense to buy whichever woods/hybrids with a stock shaft, or at least a shaft that is included in the price which is close to the upcharged shaft he fit you into and see what you think from there. You can usually go grab a used shaft at a MUCH steeper discount than paying full boat, if you decide upgrading the shaft later on will make that big of a difference. Also, a lot of the shafts that are out there are just 'newer iterations' of years past and in reality don't make much of a difference at all. My CC fitter has told me that twice...which is why I'm still playing the Diamana Kai'li in my woods. It's a great shaft and provides everything any newer shaft I've tried has provided for my swing. 

Don't be afraid to look back on older iterations of irons/woods where you may be able to snag a bargain...because in my opinion and experience, they're performing pretty close to the same as the new, MUCH more expensive ones. 

Now....on buying and getting everything put together.....cost effectively....

Thankfully, my full bag fitting at Club Champion was not anywhere near that. My fitter wasn't pushy at all and gave me such a great experience that I went back 4 years later to do it again. 

Both times, I put together the sets by sourcing all of the items myself...some of them were from Golf Forums, some from my local golf shop, and then other places as well. 

But both times I took my build sheet and had a great in South Carolina build my sets for me. He's a well known builder and his work is flawless. I'd recommend him every single day of the year. But the best part.... he's ridiculously affordable! The set build from CC was quoted around $4k and the whole set cost me about $1700 total. Now, I did source pieces differently and if you don't want to do that, Ken can quote you on all of that as well. But he takes your CC sheet and specs the clubs exactly...and he spines them all as well, which there is always a discussion back and forth on whether it's a benefit, but he does it to every single club he puts together. 

If you have questions on any of these, feel free to send me a PM. I hate to see people getting taken advantage of, or at least pushed, and your experience is really unfortunate to hear...because mine, and many others I have talked to, have been so darn good from CC! 

 

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CC is a rip off....end of story.

Go see your local Pro for shaft stiffness I'm guessing "R" if maybe a tip trim modification. (You can do this at PGA super Store if you have one near. Good folks with all types of reasonable priced gear). Put some game improvement heads on there by anyone of the OEM club makers. Couple rescue clubs, nice putter with proper LIE/Loft. That is real easy to do, watch youtube, cost 12.00 for laser and sticky back mirror tape.

I would concentrate on trying different grip sizes, standard, mid and Jumbo with 1,2 or 3 wraps of tape. Us older players have a sweet spot so our hands don't get sore.

 

You need $7500.00 clubs like I need a bicycle golf cart. $1500.00 should get you clubs, bag, 5 dozen balls, driver, shoes and 2 drinks at the 19th.

I see several players like you each year and, the "cheap stuff" improves their game like the over price clubs.

 

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Tour pros only see a 5-6 yard improvement with exotic shafts. There is no reason to expect more than that so is that worth 2500 in upcharges? If not a similar stock shaft with same pickpoint stiffness and weight should be within 1-2 of the more expensive shafts. If you decide to go with the PXG irons I would do a free fitting with them before ordering they will fit you to stock shafts and show you the difference on trackman on my driver I had a 3yd improvement for a 300 upcharge. So I went with the similar stock shaft. If you are a veteran that give a nice heros discount and steelfiber and Accra shafts are included at the stock price. Just my 2 cents 

 

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JRamm,
RUN!! But definitely go back and Get YOUR Data! Im a player over 50 and a 5.3 Indx, and NOBODY over 50 with a 15+Hcp will EVER benefit enough to warrant spending $7K+ on a bag, unless of course your simply that liquid to throw that much cabbage away.
No $1K driver or $4K irons will hit all FWs, just like no $1K putter can make all your putts.
Invest in redeveloping a Consistent Swing for you, go get a solid bag full of tools that You can play, and go have FUN while you compete against your card!!



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Good on you for getting fit and walking away when you weren't comfortable.

 

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The highest end fitter in my town (Sydney Australia) is just down the road from me. They often have 1/2 price fittings so I've taken advantage and been fitted four times over the past three years. As recently as two weeks ago in fact.

Some observations.

Each time I have been there has been a different recommendation (except for once when the fitter said he couldn't improve on what I had).

They don't even have stock shafts to try. Their business model (like CC) is that they buy the clubs with shaft, pull the shafts and insert the custom shafts.

You are paying for the stock shaft, and the custom ones.

I've kept the results. The numbers from the Callaway GBB and Oban combo they recommended three years ago are almost identical to the Cobra F9 Accra combo they recommended the other week.

As are those of the Cobra LTD in between.

Admittedly I'm an easy fit since I hit up on the ball and have a high angle of attack and low spin.

The only time things were different was when I was hitting everything very low and spinny and they kept giving my higher lofts and higher launch shafts until I worked out the ball wasn't teed up high enough.

Iron fittings have been equally inconsistent. Different heads. Shafts ranging from heavy S400 to light Recoils.

And similar prices to what they suggesting for you.

My last iron fitting they suggested PXG 0311XFs at $4K or so. I liked to look and feel and bough a set used from eBay for $450.

I have a fairly consistent swing (I'm off 8 and can't putt or chip) and have been told different things at each fitting.

To scientifically fit someone currently in the 30s is (IMHO) irresponsible.

TXG, for example, are the gold standard for fitting. But if you follow their YouTube channel you will see that the main guy (who has a very good, very repeatable swing) has been fitted into multiple heads, shafts, putters and wedges.

As mentioned by others, if you liked the TS2 buy a used one. The stock shaft is probably fine. The head will more of a difference in launch, spin and aim.

If you like to fiddle, get a used shaft that matches the Fuji.

I always by used. You don't know for sure until you try things on course, and usually you can sell for close to what you've paid.

They do not even the stock shafts in stock

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I had a great experience at Club Champion, but I came in with a budget and wanted to get fit for one or two irons I was interested in. My fitter started out that he was NOT selling me clubs but helping me find what would work best and that was what I had been scheduled for. He allowed me to hit all the iron heads I selected and lined up numerous shafts, modified loft and lies for me. I was interested in the PXG’s and the manufacturer was running an online deal. I live in Ohio and it is snowing so a PXG fit was not possible.
Loved the PXG’s, Srixon’s and Taylormade 790’s. Got my specs and ultimately ordered direct through Club Champion. The fitting and specs were worth the investment.


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I think your time and money for the fitting was well worth it, but as others have said you can take that information and get clubs for 25% of the quoted price.

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I’ll keep it short and sweet. Don’t feel pressured. The internet is a beautiful thing you can get anything on there straight from the manufacturer. Have not looked at these clubs but could definitely work straight through Srixon.

i had a great experience through true spec golf for a full bag fitting would highly recommend if you wanted to do it again (not sure what you have into that fitting or not). Fitting overall will definitely be worth it long term if you plan on playing long term again.

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If you’re curious about getting fit just dig into how MGS does their Most Wanted testing and why they do it the way they do. They’ll be the first to tell you that hitting 10 or so shots is meaningless and that you have to hit hundreds to even begin to get an idea of how some club will actually perform for an individual yet that’s how so many of these fitters do it. If you have pro level ball striking consistency or you’re outside the middle 90% of golfers that’s one thing, but if you’re a garden variety 14 handicap I wouldn’t be surprised if it took multiple days in the bay to get an honest idea of how one shaft or head truly differs performance wise from another. And that’s assuming the launch monitor is calibrated right, which in my experience it usually isn’t, and you’re hitting off grass if testing irons, which again in many cases you’re not. I know that’s borderline heresy these days but I’d argue that you’ll be better off just playing whatever club you like that feels best for you and screw whatever Trackman says. Being confident behind the ball and genuinely liking the clubs you play will serve most people far better than some exotic shaft or clunky head that the monitor says will give you 3 extra yards, personal anecdotes not withstanding.

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I think that is an absurd amount of money for a full bag of clubs! As a fitter, I am sure that there are any number of stock (or minimal upcharge) shafts that would work well for you. Have you thought about a fitting that is not tied to a retailer, like a Titleist Thursday? The fitting is free, they send you the specs and you can buy them anywhere you like. 

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On 3/9/2020 at 10:55 PM, PuffyC said:

If you’re curious about getting fit just dig into how MGS does their Most Wanted testing and why they do it the way they do. They’ll be the first to tell you that hitting 10 or so shots is meaningless and that you have to hit hundreds to even begin to get an idea of how some club will actually perform for an individual yet that’s how so many of these fitters do it. If you have pro level ball striking consistency or you’re outside the middle 90% of golfers that’s one thing, but if you’re a garden variety 14 handicap I wouldn’t be surprised if it took multiple days in the bay to get an honest idea of how one shaft or head truly differs performance wise from another. And that’s assuming the launch monitor is calibrated right, which in my experience it usually isn’t, and you’re hitting off grass if testing irons, which again in many cases you’re not. I know that’s borderline heresy these days but I’d argue that you’ll be better off just playing whatever club you like that feels best for you and screw whatever Trackman says. Being confident behind the ball and genuinely liking the clubs you play will serve most people far better than some exotic shaft or clunky head that the monitor says will give you 3 extra yards, personal anecdotes not withstanding.

Any good fitter won’t have a person hit more than 3-5 shots because the golfer will start to adjust their swing to fit the club. Between communicating to the fitter and the fitter using ball flight and or numbers they can adjust head type, shaft, hosel setting to start making adjustments to dial in launch conditions that optimize ball flight.

Someone that knows their swing and has an idea about shaft weights, profile could probably pick a setup of irons and make it work for them but there’s a lot of golfers who but off the rack that have no idea a stiff in one shaft isn’t the same a stiff in another, not to mention there’s a large number of golfers who think they hit it to high but in reality don’t hit it high enough. 
 

The grass vs mat on a fitting is debatable. I’ve been fit both ways and have yet to see a fitting off a mat give me different results on the course as well as several guys I play with. A good fitter can account for that. Ian from TXG was able to do that with @Golfspy_CG2 which is on their YouTube page.

To your last comment about 3 extra yards not all fittings about are about distance. Sometimes that’s a goal of a person and a larger more forgiving head that offer less spin might be what they are looking for, where someone else is trying to maintain distance but improve accuracy. Finding a setup that meets the persons goal is what a good fitting achieves. 

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On 3/9/2020 at 10:55 PM, PuffyC said:

If you’re curious about getting fit just dig into how MGS does their Most Wanted testing and why they do it the way they do. They’ll be the first to tell you that hitting 10 or so shots is meaningless and that you have to hit hundreds to even begin to get an idea of how some club will actually perform for an individual yet that’s how so many of these fitters do it.

we only hit each club about 12 times as part of most wanted testing.  The protocol is generally 5 clubs;  hit four shots with a club then move to the next club until we have hit 12 total shots with each club.  This helps ensure that the testers don't get fatigued.  

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