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26 minutes ago, GB13 said:

One thing I'm noticing, (obviously not an instructor), is the on your actual swing is that you body has moved significantly toward the ball (in the picture to the right). I do think that is causing you to stand the shaft up, because if you stand where you are at impact the shaft will be that upright. I'd suggest trying to keep your hips farther away from the ball at impact. 

 

(Sorry if this doesn't make much sense, I've had a looooong day.) 

I shouldn't post when I'm this out of it. Everything here is wrong. I'll leave it up for posterity sake. Good night everyone! 

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23 minutes ago, GB13 said:

One thing I'm noticing, (obviously not an instructor), is the on your actual swing is that you body has moved significantly toward the ball (in the picture to the right). I do think that is causing you to stand the shaft up, because if you stand where you are at impact the shaft will be that upright. I'd suggest trying to keep your hips farther away from the ball at impact. 

 

(Sorry if this doesn't make much sense, I've had a looooong day.) 

You're exactly right about what's happening, though it is always challenging in a golf swing to sort out causes and effects. In other words, what you've said makes total sense, I just feel everything in a different way than you've described.

In my golf "feels," what I've mostly done is changed my wrist angles (avoiding left wrist extension). That wrist angle creates a neutral to closed face at the top of the swing. An over the top move from there would be unplayable left, so I'm forced from there to shallow the shaft considerably.

I'm then in a position in which standing up/moving toward the ball can't work. The only way to get the face to the ball when the club is shallowed is by rotating my body through.

I've tried in the past to fight the early extension/lunging on its own, with little success. For me, this is the first time that I've come close to keeping my hips back (still a little work to do there).

I could totally imagine another golfer whose swing looked like mine taking your description of the fix and it being exactly the way he needed to hear it to make the correction. I just found I had to start in a different place to get my body to make sense of what I was doing.

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Just received my new Evnroll Tour Stroke Trainer. Definitely an odd looking putter:

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I plan to write up a full review of this, especially after I use it for a while (the only way to have a meaningful opinion on a training aid). For now, I'd say that the early impressions are very impressive, both in quality and function.

I won't be shocked if it ends up in my bag for at least a couple rounds this summer.

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We have temps in the 40s this week! Looking forward to getting the SkyTrak back out in the garage for some good full swing practice. I hit some balls with the SkyTrak in the garage on Saturday, but had to share my sim time with Kirke. I had hoped to do a skills assessment, but we ran out of battery on the tablet before I could get to it. I'll do one this week and post it here.

I've still been working consistently on my short game shots. Last night, I stretched out my practice to 30 yards; that's a long shot with a 7' ceiling in the basement! After doing some random practice (SkyTrak picking distances from 10–30 yards), I did a skills assessment. SkyTrak doesn't allow a full randomization in the assessment; I wish it did. I want to tell it to ask for (say) 15 shots randomly chosen from 10–30 yards, and then give me my score.

Instead, I told it to give me 3 shots each at 5 distances: 10, 15, 20, 25, and 30 yards. But I scrambled those yardages. It's still not a perfect test; if I miss one long, I can make an adjustment on the next one of the same distance. Even so, I was really happy to see my results:

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The best score SkyTrak will give for a shot is a +4 handicap. I put all three of my shots at the 10 yard distance close enough to earn that score, which was a great start for me. Everything else was pretty solid as well.

The practice seems to be paying off. Still at least a month (probably more) before I see a course up here, but I'm optimistic about the way things are trending.

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Nice work! I've been doing a ton of basement chipping/pitching and the SkyTrak would be so helpful for that. Maybe next winter!

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What's worse than the guy who takes you shot-by-shot through his mediocre round of golf? The guy who takes you shot-by-shot through his mediocre simulated range session!

And yet here we are.

Here's the big picture summary:

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Overall, a 9.6 handicap. Obviously, that's in keeping with my single digit goal—barely. It's also not really any improvement from my golf last summer. Since I haven't done much work on my full swing lately, that isn't a surprise.

The wedge distances (40, 75, 90) were not great. For whatever reason, I was misjudging the 40 yard distance, leaving a couple really short. And then I thinned one of the 90 yard shots about 135. That'll mess up the handicap.

The major weak point was the 105/120/135 range. There were a couple of factors here. One was stubbornness: I remain convinced that these three shots should be my SW, GW, and PW respectively. But I just wasn't getting there with those clubs. I eventually caved in on the last three shots at 135, grabbing my 9i. There's more to say here, related to what follows.

From 150–190, I put up some really respectable numbers: mid-single digit handicaps on average. And I was finally getting the distances I wanted out of each club (which leads me to believe that, with tweaks, I can get those distances from the wedges). From 150, I was using my 8i; 165 was my 7i; 175 with my 6i; and 190 with my 5i. In each case, I was still (on average) just under five yards short of target, but still hitting the greens easily.

On these swings, I made one tweak to my swing which seemed to make a difference: better posture, without the shoulders hunched at address. I need to figure out why that made a difference.

The other point of focus remains my footwork. On a good swing, my feel is that I load up on my right heel, then transfer my weight from my right heel to my left heel. This facilitates keeping my hips deep and a shallow swing.

If at any point, my weight starts moving toward my toes, my hips come forward, and my swing steepens. For many, this would create a fade, but my face always ends up left, and so I get the massive pull-hook which goes off the planet. I offer this as exhibit A:

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There's so much good here. I start with an OK shot. But then, three straight +4 shots (that's the best score SkyTrak gives), averaging 15 feet from the cup from 175. Then, the hook: 44(!) yards left, 132 feet from the pin, and a 36 handicap (the worst score that SkyTrak gives).

That's the big miss. That's the shot I've got to eliminate, because that's the one that goes into the woods on my course here.

Anyway, despite the mediocre results, I think it was a productive session. I hit some good shots, found some things that work, and I know what I need to continue to grind on.

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On 3/6/2019 at 10:24 AM, TR1PTIK said:

Could be that you just need to position yourself a little closer to the ball (and it will feel uncomfortable at first).

Was going to suggest something similar, but not necessarily further or closer, but to experiment with ball position both in the front/back direction AND in the closer to/further from direction.

I need to start taking notes or something 'cuz I'm finding that incremental changes of ball position can have a big positive effect on quality of impact (..the proverbial "all else being equal).

And btw, MPR, very cool superimposed pictures and really liking the look of the new swing!

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6 minutes ago, cksurfdude said:

Was going to suggest something similar, but not necessarily further or closer, but to experiment with ball position both in the front/back direction AND in the closer to/further from direction.

I need to start taking notes or something 'cuz I'm finding that incremental changes of ball position can have a big positive effect on quality of impact (..the proverbial "all else being equal).

And btw, MPR, very cool superimposed pictures and really liking the look of the new swing!

One of the biggest things that Adam Young teaches is making strike a skill. What he has found (and this makes sense) is this: take two groups of players who need to improve strike location. Tell one group to focus on hitting the center. Tell the other group to practice intentionally hitting the heel, toe, and sweet spot.

After a period of time, the second group will test better than the first in hitting the center.

He writes more about that here.

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13 hours ago, GolfSpy MPR said:

The 105 and 120 shots were still awful. My handicap at 105 was 22.8! I'm learning that I have to give up the idea of using my 54° wedge from that distance; it just doesn't reach. That's gotta be the GW, and the 120 is the PW.

It's always interesting to me how people can have similar handicaps but achieve them in completely different ways. Admittedly, I have never seen data like yours for myself, so I might be entirely wrong, but if I played a par 3 course with all holes in the 100 - 120 range, I'm pretty comfortable saying I could probably shoot well under my handicap with regularity. Make them all 60 yards, and the struggles begin. Make all the holes 400 yards, straight, and tight, I'd probably end up a 30 HC since driver is my (perceived) biggest weakness.

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1 minute ago, MaxEntropy said:

It's always interesting to me how people can have similar handicaps but achieve them in completely different ways. Admittedly, I have never seen data like yours for myself, so I might be entirely wrong, but if I played a par 3 course with all holes in the 100 - 120 range, I'm pretty comfortable saying I could probably shoot well under my handicap with regularity. Make them all 60 yards, and the struggles begin. Make all the holes 400 yards, straight, and tight, I'd probably end up a 30 HC since driver is my (perceived) biggest weakness.

It's like Furyk and McIlroy playing 72 holes with a single shot separating them. It's like that, except way higher scores 🙂

I'm still trying to figure out how I'm going to practice driver. I can't fit a driver swing in my garage, though I'm going to explore the possibility of removing a portion of the ceiling (yep, that's crazy). It may be that I have to create a setup outdoors once the snow melts, but I get nervous with that. My driver miss is a popup ball that can easily get over most nets and find its way to the neighbors' houses. That's not OK.

For now, though, I'm working to tighten everything up from 200 down to the green. If I can do that, my scores should still drop while I try to wrestle with my tee game later.

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2 minutes ago, GolfSpy MPR said:

If I can do that, my scores should still drop while I try to wrestle with my tee game later.

My basement and garage are both low headroom, so I have no room to swing anything in the off-season. I've hit enough at various stores over the winter that I'm feeling pretty good about some minor changes I made with the driver, but need to get a range for verification. It's 53 today, so I might be able to sneak out this afternoon.

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1 minute ago, GolfSpy MPR said:

 My driver miss is a popup ball that can easily get over most nets and find its way to the neighbors' houses. That's not OK.

 

Idk of the feasibility of this idea, but if you have 50 yards or so, and the main purpose of driver practice is ball flight consistency, it might be worth grabbing some birdie balls and the tee-ing solution they have, OR some durable wiffle balls.  In my own practice, I've found that they are most useful for finding consistency with straight ball flight.

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2 minutes ago, JohnSmalls said:

Idk of the feasibility of this idea, but if you have 50 yards or so, and the main purpose of driver practice is ball flight consistency, it might be worth grabbing some birdie balls and the tee-ing solution they have, OR some durable wiffle balls.  In my own practice, I've found that they are most useful for finding consistency with straight ball flight.

There's a lot of value in this. I'd add that, with the foot spray, I can learn to find the center of the face with practice balls.

Being able to use the SkyTrak will be good (if I can figure it out) for optimizing launch angle and spin. Gaining distance is not an insignificant part of this project (as the first post in the thread indicates, I often average under 200 yards off the tee).

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Idk of the feasibility of this idea, but if you have 50 yards or so, and the main purpose of driver practice is ball flight consistency, it might be worth grabbing some birdie balls and the tee-ing solution they have, OR some durable wiffle balls.  In my own practice, I've found that they are most useful for finding consistency with straight ball flight.
Hmmmm. I forgot I got three of these with my green. I'll have to give these a try with the driver soon!

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4 hours ago, MaxEntropy said:

It's always interesting to me how people can have similar handicaps but achieve them in completely different ways. Admittedly, I have never seen data like yours for myself, so I might be entirely wrong, but if I played a par 3 course with all holes in the 100 - 120 range, I'm pretty comfortable saying I could probably shoot well under my handicap with regularity. Make them all 60 yards, and the struggles begin. Make all the holes 400 yards, straight, and tight, I'd probably end up a 30 HC since driver is my (perceived) biggest weakness.

Yep, which is why the "fitting your irons based on handicap" narrative is relatively BOGUS. That's what I've learned most on my journey with these 900 Tours.

I'm hovering around a 9 at the moment, but trending back up after 2 pretty terrible rounds. Keep grinding MPR, if I can do it, anyone can! I struggle with the EXACT same distance by the way. Ever consider looking at your wedge lofts? I think for me, personally, the jump from PW (46) to GW (52) is too large. When I get to 105-110y out I always have to make a decision to choke down and lay off of a PW, or try to muscle up a gap -- which usually just results in the ball going higher, not farther.

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34 minutes ago, romeopapazulu said:

Hmmmm. I forgot I got three of these with my green. I'll have to give these a try with the driver soon!

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Just a forewarning, you will need a teeing method and your BBs will take a beating from a driver .  But they can handle it.  Those things are incredibly durable for what they are.

4 hours ago, GolfSpy MPR said:

eing able to use the SkyTrak will be good

I forgot about the early posts details in the driver distance category.  That's my fault.  For my own understanding with your gapping, you're on 165 with a 7 iron, and 200 with the driver?

I wish I could help you out with the SkyTrak.  I'm taking notes so that one day when I have my own I'll have learned from your journey! 

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1 minute ago, yungkory said:

Yep, which is why the "fitting your irons based on handicap" narrative is relatively BOGUS. That's what I've learned most on my journey with these 900 Tours.

I'm hovering around a 9 at the moment, but trending back up after 2 pretty terrible rounds. Keep grinding MPR, if I can do it, anyone can! I struggle with the EXACT same distance by the way. Ever consider looking at your wedge lofts? I think for me, personally, the jump from PW (46) to GW (52) is too large. When I get to 105-110y out I always have to make a decision to choke down and lay off of a PW, or try to muscle up a gap -- which usually just results in the ball going higher, not farther.

One of the things that helped me from that distance is backing off my swing a bit. I CAN hit my gap wedge about 110 or a bit more, but it's erratic (like you, more height, less distance). Anything over 100-105 has become a choked down/partial PW. 125-130 is about my stock PW distance.

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2 minutes ago, yungkory said:

Yep, which is why the "fitting your irons based on handicap" narrative is relatively BOGUS. That's what I've learned most on my journey with these 900 Tours.

I'm hovering around a 9 at the moment, but trending back up after 2 pretty terrible rounds. Keep grinding MPR, if I can do it, anyone can! I struggle with the EXACT same distance by the way. Ever consider looking at your wedge lofts? I think for me, personally, the jump from PW (46) to GW (52) is too large. When I get to 105-110y out I always have to make a decision to choke down and lay off of a PW, or try to muscle up a gap -- which usually just results in the ball going higher, not farther.

So here's what I've got with lofts:

  • PW (G700): 44°
  • GW (G700): 49°
  • SW (MD3): 54°
  • LW (PM Grind): 58°

Given the strength of the G700 lofts (combined with the hollow body, hot launching properties), it might make sense to go stronger than 54° with my SW, but then it stops being useful as a short game club, I would think.

I'm probably going to do another Skills Assessment on Thursday, using my GW for the 105 yard shot and the PW for the 120. Here's why I'm optimistic: using my GW for the 120 yard shot this past attempt, I hit shots of 106, 112, and 114. Keep in mind: I was trying to go 120, so I was swinging hard. I suspect a nice easy GW will be good at that 105 range.

If that doesn't solve that distance for me, then I'm going to have to look at my set makeup there.

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:callaway-small: Epic Flash Sub Zero, 9°, Aldila Rogue White 70 X
:taylormade-small: M4 3HL 16.5°, Atmos Red 60
:cobra-small: F6 5-6W, 19.5°, Fujikura Motore 6.3
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:Sub70: 699 Pro, Modus3 105, 5–PW
:Sub70: Forged Black 50°, 54°, and 58°
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