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@halliedog with your experience, knowledge, and enjoyment in building clubs, it's certainly possible DTC isn't the most ideal business model for you. Absolutely NOTHING wrong with that; every single consumer is going to have varying preferences and things they're looking for, both in the product and in the company they're purchasing from.

I know I don't have the experience or equipment in club making like you or others have, so for me a place like Sub70 is an incredibly viable model. In all likelihood, they are where I'm buying my next set of irons, because their prices, offerings, and outstanding customer service.

I do appreciate your investigative spirit, but I think some of your posts might be read in a more aggressive way than you're intending. I see your new around here and hope you stick around for a while to come. I know MGS has been a great place for me to interact with some really great people with similar passion for the game, and all sorts of golf experiences.

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12 hours ago, cnosil said:

In the original post,  GolfSub70 said the chart was put together last year based on MGS most wanted testing data;  the $2 may simply be a cost adjustment over the past year.   

As for the numbers, I suggest you read up on the MGS most wanted testing process.   It come from people hitting clubs not robots.  All of the data captured comes from GCQuad launch monitors and therefore isn't a subjective opinion on the clubs,   but an analytical opinion based on the captured data.  There are also discussions on why people hitting the clubs is a better approach than robots hitting the clubs for capturing this type of information.   As one of the most wanted testers,  I can personally tell you the every club and shaft provides slightly differing results based on the person and how the clubs looks;  that difference applies to every clubs in the bag from driver to putter.  

I don't disagree with anything you say regarding previous year clubs from OEMs and shopping around for or building your own sets.  This approach is probably the exception when it comes to golf consumers and many just buy off the shelf.  Essentially the DTC model may not best fit your buying approach,  but that really isn't a reason to bash the company.  Just see if it is something that works for you,  see if what you want to do is an option, and if not provide your feedback if you wish.  While you may not intend it to be this way,  but your posts come off as being very condescending.  Also,  if you watch the Sub70 social media posts,  they post demo and slightly used clubs at a discount;  so you could achieve additional savings that way.  

At the end of they day Sub70 provides great clubs,  with nice options,  and reasonably priced upgrades;  I hope you find what you are looking for.

I don't think I ever "bashed" the company, in fact to the contrary I said that their clubs look nice, probably are every bit as good of quality as the big OEMs, and that I will probably even end up demoing a few at some point.  I simply pointed out an error in his chart that he posted a few days ago, not a post form over a year ago, so if there was a cost adjustment why not reflect it in his chart?  Like I said in previous post, not a huge deal, but who knows what other inaccuracies there may be in that chart when it should be pretty simple to know your own product's current cost?

As to the MGS Most Wanted, never really ever read it and likely won't start.  If they ever start using robotic testing to show which clubs actually perform better with ALL other variables removed it might have some merit to me, otherwise not.  If this way is so much better, someone should explain to the majority of OEM R&D Depts along with the USGA so they can all switch.  Sorry if this is "condescending" or offends you, I keep forgetting we can't express our opinions on an open golf forum any more because someone might get offended or have their feelings ruffled.  Guess it's a good thing I don't visit this place very often and post even less.  Also, I don't do social media, so would never catch one of their posts.

@GolfSub70, I certainly never take any of your responses as being any way but informative and helpful.  Sure you are going to try to defend your brand, and no one should expect any different.  You express your thoughts in a constructive and cordial manner.  

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9 hours ago, halliedog said:

 

@GolfSub70, I certainly never take any of your responses as being any way but informative and helpful.  Sure you are going to try to defend your brand, and no one should expect any different.  You express your thoughts in a constructive and cordial manner.  

Great. Posting on these message boards is always tricky and especially difficult as a company. We're happy to have any conversation when it comes to golf clubs, Sub 70 or just golf in general 

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Re-read the post you quoted.  I never said I could walk into GG or PGASS and pick up a NEW set of CURRENT model Taylormades or Titleists for the same price, but I can go on several websites and buy NOS (New Old Stock, there, I spelled it out for you) irons for a COMPARABLE price, likely with a no up-charge shaft, for CLOSE to the same price.  And they admit right on their website that there is really no significant change in improvement from cycle to cycle from all the big OEMs.
Reading is fundamental, my friend!
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17 hours ago, halliedog said:

As to the MGS Most Wanted, never really ever read it and likely won't start.  If they ever start using robotic testing to show which clubs actually perform better with ALL other variables removed it might have some merit to me, otherwise not.  If this way is so much better, someone should explain to the majority of OEM R&D Depts along with the USGA so they can all switch.  Sorry if this is "condescending" or offends you, I keep forgetting we can't express our opinions on an open golf forum any more because someone might get offended or have their feelings ruffled.  Guess it's a good thing I don't visit this place very often and post even less.  Also, I don't do social media, so would never catch one of their posts.

Been explained before about the protocols for the testing and why not robotic.  Robotic has its place in testing as does non robotic.  

You post doesn't offend me;  and you are welcome to express your opinion as no one has said you can't.  We are all here to discuss golf and welcome your thoughts.    

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Been explained before about the protocols for the testing and why not robotic.  Robotic has its place in testing as does non robotic.  
You post doesn't offend me;  and you are welcome to express your opinion as no one has said you can't.  We are all here to discuss golf and welcome your thoughts.    
Robots are great for precise measurements and understand key metrics. USGA cares about knowing limits of clubs to keep them legal but not about overall performance. Club manufacturers want to make sure they reach the same limits to create the closest to the limit club.
Humans are flawed creatures who help deliver inconsistent results and give you a picture of overall performance in ever condition. I know the car analogy gets brought up a lot but the EPA & OEMs test and shows performance metrics of a car but the true those details are only part of the equation. Reliability, handling, comfort, safety features make up the whole picture. When it comes to golf clubs the shaft the swing the tempo the delivery will all impact how the club performs. If you are taking a relatively large sampling of golfers, with a variety of swings and remove any data points that fall outside of the good shot range. This will prove just as if not more valuable then robots.
Also most OEMs say Humans are the best way to actually test Club performance.

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I just have to say, my experience with @GolfSub70 has been nothing less than out of this world from the time I ordered my irons to putting them in play. I have been playing Taylormade MB irons since 2012 and decided it was time to upgrade and after doing a ton of research (which is weird because i'm pretty impulsive). One thing I knew for sure was there was no way I was going to pay $1200+ for a new set that will just be old news in 6 months. The idea of DTC irons was a little intimidating, but I know my specs and felt pretty good about the security offered with the return policy. I ordered my irons March 6th (a Friday) and got a call March 8th (a sunday) mid afternoon from Sub70 to confirm my order, verify specs, ask if I wanted a hat and to thank me for my business. It took 10 days from the time I ordered my clubs to them sitting on my doorstep. I ordered the 639 forged black combo(4-6 CB, 7-PW MB) X flex KBS tour shafts, midsize TV Align grips (2 wraps bottom, 3 wraps top), +1/4 and 2 upright with no stepping. I played two rounds since putting them in the bag and I have never been happier with a set of irons. They flat out perform, feel great and are workable even in the CB. The ONLY thing I was unsure about when ordering was the amount of offset on the MB's. The CB's seem to have less offset (which I prefer) than the MB's and for me visually it was a little concerning (because I am a psycho when it comes to look) but after hitting shot after shot and seeing the consistency in ball flight and results I barely even notice. I trust every shot I stand over which is a good feeling. For myself, and I think a lot of other players, trusting the clubs to produce a consistent shot makes for a good swing with minimal thought. I will make sure and update as time goes by and more rounds are played. Snow has fallen again in the PNW where I live so it may be a week or two (ugh). One last comment, the personal touch of a hand written note from Jason thanking me for my business shows that Sub70 is doing everything they can to provide an excellent buying experience, and I appreciated it. 

KB 

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51 minutes ago, KRISWITHAK said:

I just have to say, my experience with @GolfSub70 has been nothing less than out of this world from the time I ordered my irons to putting them in play. I have been playing Taylormade MB irons since 2012 and decided it was time to upgrade and after doing a ton of research (which is weird because i'm pretty impulsive). One thing I knew for sure was there was no way I was going to pay $1200+ for a new set that will just be old news in 6 months. The idea of DTC irons was a little intimidating, but I know my specs and felt pretty good about the security offered with the return policy. I ordered my irons March 6th (a Friday) and got a call March 8th (a sunday) mid afternoon from Sub70 to confirm my order, verify specs, ask if I wanted a hat and to thank me for my business. It took 10 days from the time I ordered my clubs to them sitting on my doorstep. I ordered the 639 forged black combo(4-6 CB, 7-PW MB) X flex KBS tour shafts, midsize TV Align grips (2 wraps bottom, 3 wraps top), +1/4 and 2 upright with no stepping. I played two rounds since putting them in the bag and I have never been happier with a set of irons. They flat out perform, feel great and are workable even in the CB. The ONLY thing I was unsure about when ordering was the amount of offset on the MB's. The CB's seem to have less offset (which I prefer) than the MB's and for me visually it was a little concerning (because I am a psycho when it comes to look) but after hitting shot after shot and seeing the consistency in ball flight and results I barely even notice. I trust every shot I stand over which is a good feeling. For myself, and I think a lot of other players, trusting the clubs to produce a consistent shot makes for a good swing with minimal thought. I will make sure and update as time goes by and more rounds are played. Snow has fallen again in the PNW where I live so it may be a week or two (ugh). One last comment, the personal touch of a hand written note from Jason thanking me for my business shows that Sub70 is doing everything they can to provide an excellent buying experience, and I appreciated it. 

KB 

That's awesome! 

We would all love to see some pics of your set.  Add them to the Gallery if you have a moment. 

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6 hours ago, KRISWITHAK said:

I just have to say, my experience with @GolfSub70 has been nothing less than out of this world from the time I ordered my irons to putting them in play. I have been playing Taylormade MB irons since 2012 and decided it was time to upgrade and after doing a ton of research (which is weird because i'm pretty impulsive). One thing I knew for sure was there was no way I was going to pay $1200+ for a new set that will just be old news in 6 months. The idea of DTC irons was a little intimidating, but I know my specs and felt pretty good about the security offered with the return policy. I ordered my irons March 6th (a Friday) and got a call March 8th (a sunday) mid afternoon from Sub70 to confirm my order, verify specs, ask if I wanted a hat and to thank me for my business. It took 10 days from the time I ordered my clubs to them sitting on my doorstep. I ordered the 639 forged black combo(4-6 CB, 7-PW MB) X flex KBS tour shafts, midsize TV Align grips (2 wraps bottom, 3 wraps top), +1/4 and 2 upright with no stepping. I played two rounds since putting them in the bag and I have never been happier with a set of irons. They flat out perform, feel great and are workable even in the CB. The ONLY thing I was unsure about when ordering was the amount of offset on the MB's. The CB's seem to have less offset (which I prefer) than the MB's and for me visually it was a little concerning (because I am a psycho when it comes to look) but after hitting shot after shot and seeing the consistency in ball flight and results I barely even notice. I trust every shot I stand over which is a good feeling. For myself, and I think a lot of other players, trusting the clubs to produce a consistent shot makes for a good swing with minimal thought. I will make sure and update as time goes by and more rounds are played. Snow has fallen again in the PNW where I live so it may be a week or two (ugh). One last comment, the personal touch of a hand written note from Jason thanking me for my business shows that Sub70 is doing everything they can to provide an excellent buying experience, and I appreciated it. 

KB 

We love hearing about these positive experiences from our customers.  We truly appreciate the business and want every customer to be 100% happy with their purchase.  Thank you for sharing KB!  If you ever need anything or have any questions just let us know.  Hopefully we'll be back to building golf clubs and you'll be back on the course soon!

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I can't say enough good things about my experience and interaction with Sub70. Great company!

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On 3/25/2020 at 11:32 AM, GolfSpy Stroker said:

That's awesome! 

We would all love to see some pics of your set.  Add them to the Gallery if you have a moment. 

Okay I put a couple pictures up! beauties

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SUB70 639 CB 4-6 MB 7-PW, KBS TOUR, X

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So, it has been a few weeks since I have tried the Sub 70 639 MB/CB. I wanted to get this up earlier, but as a driving instructor for a trucking company that moves food grade products, I have been training and driving many hours to keep shelves stocked in these crazy times.  First off, the customer service is amazing! They truly care about their product and their consumer.  They are good looking products that performs just as well. I play distance irons with a hollow body design, and one major problem I have with them is that they are jumpy and can hit some really hot ones that fly way past my normal yardage. I enjoyed the MB's the best, they launched really easy, and I thought I would sacrifice some yardage, but these were spot on my yardage as my gamers, but more consistent. It was difficult to send these back. Really happy with the demo process, and looking forward to doing business with them again. Pictures posted in a weird order. 1) CB 6-iron 2) MB 9-iron address 3) MB 9-iron 4) CB 6-iron address

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The 639 combo set really does look amazing.  Has anyone tried there stand bag?  It looks nice on the website and the price crazy. 

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On 4/1/2020 at 4:16 PM, prussell24 said:

The 639 combo set really does look amazing.  Has anyone tried there stand bag?  It looks nice on the website and the price crazy. 

I have been loving the look of my combo set! Stand bag is definitely sick looking, I think they just released it last week!

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On 3/31/2020 at 7:46 AM, cjeffs12 said:

So, it has been a few weeks since I have tried the Sub 70 639 MB/CB. I wanted to get this up earlier, but as a driving instructor for a trucking company that moves food grade products, I have been training and driving many hours to keep shelves stocked in these crazy times.  First off, the customer service is amazing! They truly care about their product and their consumer.  They are good looking products that performs just as well. I play distance irons with a hollow body design, and one major problem I have with them is that they are jumpy and can hit some really hot ones that fly way past my normal yardage. I enjoyed the MB's the best, they launched really easy, and I thought I would sacrifice some yardage, but these were spot on my yardage as my gamers, but more consistent. It was difficult to send these back. Really happy with the demo process, and looking forward to doing business with them again. Pictures posted in a weird order. 1) CB 6-iron 2) MB 9-iron address 3) MB 9-iron 4) CB 6-iron address

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I keep looking at the grass and your lie obsessing over how awesome it is lol. Just looks like a pure shot waiting to happen. 

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1 hour ago, KRISWITHAK said:

I keep looking at the grass and your lie obsessing over how awesome it is lol. Just looks like a pure shot waiting to happen. 

I know I’m missing it too, once things open back up they should be great again. What makes it worse is the weather is 60 and sunny,, such a tease. 

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10 minutes ago, cjeffs12 said:

I know I’m missing it too, once things open back up they should be great again. What makes it worse is the weather is 60 and sunny,, such a tease. 

yea no kidding that's not even fair! I played yesterday, beautiful sunny day and I was happy the course was open, but it was about 45 degrees.

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