Moecat Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Looks like with the new groove rules, the old Ping Eye2 has new-found popularity. This got me thinking about whether any of you actually miss the days when BeCu irons/wedges were being made, or if current technology has really made up for the soft feel of copper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfware Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 Looks like with the new groove rules, the old Ping Eye2 has new-found popularity. This got me thinking about whether any of you actually miss the days when BeCu irons/wedges were being made, or if current technology has really made up for the soft feel of copper? Well. Funny you should ask. A buddy of mine just picked up a set of those BeCu PING iron and whoa... They are soft. "U"gly as all can be. But seriously great feel and really forgiving. It'd be nice to see more new sets in BeCu. Just imagine a BeCu set of i15's. I'd buy a set. Current bag: Some Callaway, some Cleveland. Down to 2 OEM's! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoorGolfer Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 Wasn't BeCu irons halted because of health concerns? I am not entirely sure but I think I read that somewhere. Addicted to golf since February 2008 Best Score: 89 Birdies: 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumpybutz Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 Wasn't BeCu irons halted because of health concerns? I am not entirely sure but I think I read that somewhere. I don't think it was related to any health concerns, rather it was deem a hazadrdous material by the EPA. Having a set of clubs made of BeCu did'nt harm anyone through contact. As for the softness issue, it's a myth. Acoording to the Solheims, the hardness factor of both BeCu and Stainless Steel used to make Ping Eye 2 clubs, are exactly the same. The difference is the sound the clubs maked when impact occurs. John Solheim says it is a more muted sound, which through testing, golfers equate as being softer translated through feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfware Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 I don't think it was related to any health concerns, rather it was deem a hazadrdous material by the EPA. Having a set of clubs made of BeCu did'nt harm anyone through contact. As for the softness issue, it's a myth. Acoording to the Solheims, the hardness factor of both BeCu and Stainless Steel used to make Ping Eye 2 clubs, are exactly the same. The difference is the sound the clubs maked when impact occurs. John Solheim says it is a more muted sound, which through testing, golfers equate as being softer translated through feel. Yes, we translate "feel" through sound. I don't think anyone can really discern the hardness of two different types of metal, considering that you're making contact with clubhead via the grip, shaft and possible insert through the shaft. It's the sound that makes us go either... "Whoa... or YUCK". Current bag: Some Callaway, some Cleveland. Down to 2 OEM's! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BalataMan Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 Yes, we translate "feel" through sound. That is so true. I used to work golf retail and when a customer would tell me "This club feels hard!", I would give them ear ear plugs. And after a couple of hits, the "feels hard" arguement was resolved. Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addicted2Golf Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 I prefer carbon steel if nothing else because Ping won't adjust the BeCU wedges and I always need upright lie angles. Finding the right "dot" can sometimes be a challenge. Callaway FT-9 Driver 10.5* Grafalloy Prolaunch Axis Blue Callaway FT-9 Driver 9.0* Grafalloy Prolaunch Platinum Cobra Baffler Rail F Fairway 15.5* Fujikura Motore Wilson FYbrid 19* UST Proforce AXIV Core Cobra Baffler Rail H Hybrid 22* Fujikura Motore Ping I15 Irons 5-UW AWT Ping Tour-W 56*,60* DG Spinner Ping Redwood ZB Putter, WRX Starshot, 35" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamo Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Never tried BeCu, maybe I should! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY VIP GolfSpy Dave Posted March 5, 2010 SPY VIP Share Posted March 5, 2010 Copper in a putter is amazing, but I also think that this is a feel/tone signature. Definitely EPA issue with the manufacturing. At work we have to bottle all of our copper containing reagents and hazmat them. No matter the concentration. Volvo Intorqueo All the cool kids follow me on twitter: @GolfspyDave If you are not a cool kid, following me on twitter will make you cool... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specs Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Played Copper Eye 2's for a little while and Copper Cleveland 588's for a LONG time. Love the feel/ sound of them. They had great spin as well. Biggest problem I had is that they tended to be heavier in the wedges... That said I thought my Eye 2's felt lighter in copper then Stainless. Maybe it was the Microstep shaft they put in those. I always thought that was interesting that they put a different shaft in the copper Ping's vs the Stainless. Anyone have the story on that? Specs KWheels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamo Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 I have played wedges that were "manganese bronze." They were nice but the grooves are all worn down and they have close to 20* of bounce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie3Jack Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 I still have a BeCu 588 Cleveland wedge that I use. But I prefer carbon steel. 3JACK Author of Pro Golf Synopsis. The Moneyball approach to golf strategy and analysis.Driver: Wishon 919THI, 10° loft, UST Mamiya VTS Red 7x, 44-3/8” long, 2,825 kg/cm^2 MOIGONZO WOOD: confidential2-Hybrid: Mizuno Fli-HiCLK, 17° loft, 40-7/8" KBS Tour Hybrid shaft (stiff)3-Hybrid: Mizuno Fli-HiCLK, 20° loft, 40" KBS Tour Hybrid shaft (stiff)4-6 iron: Wishon 575MMC (CB)7-PW: Wishon 575MMC (MB)SW: Edel Golf driver grind, 52° loft, 16° bounce, Nippon WV 125 shaft.LW: Edel Golf Digger Grind, 60° loft, 27° bounce, Nippon WV 125 ShaftPutter: Edel Golf Columbia Custom Made, 35" long, 72° lie angle, 3° loft. Ball: Titleist Pro V1xGrips: PURE Grips P2 Wrap (red)Shoes: FootJoy Dry-Joy (black, size 14)3Jack's Golf Blog - http://3jack.blogspot.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shambles Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 I don't think it was related to any health concerns, rather it was deem a hazadrdous material by the EPA. Having a set of clubs made of BeCu did'nt harm anyone through contact. As for the softness issue, it's a myth. Acoording to the Solheims, the hardness factor of both BeCu and Stainless Steel used to make Ping Eye 2 clubs, are exactly the same. The difference is the sound the clubs maked when impact occurs. John Solheim says it is a more muted sound, which through testing, golfers equate as being softer translated through feel. BeCu was not hazardous to the golfers who used them but was hazardous to the workers who ground them. I still have my old Eye 2's of lawsuit fame but have since bagged newer clubs. The old eye 2's still feel as smooth as ever, they just seem so old these days, though I probably look older. Shambles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krevo Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 As of today, Ping and the USGA have reached an agreement to do away with the Eye2 grandfather clause. The start date is March 29th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NGage Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 I like a forged carbon steel wedge. I did pick up one of those Ping BeCu LW a few yrs ago....got it for $40. I just got it because I knew they had quit making them....never even put it in play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MmmmmmBuddy Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 I don't think it was related to any health concerns, rather it was deem a hazadrdous material by the EPA. Having a set of clubs made of BeCu did'nt harm anyone through contact. As for the softness issue, it's a myth. Acoording to the Solheims, the hardness factor of both BeCu and Stainless Steel used to make Ping Eye 2 clubs, are exactly the same. The difference is the sound the clubs maked when impact occurs. John Solheim says it is a more muted sound, which through testing, golfers equate as being softer translated through feel. My understanding was that Karsten used BeCu because it was heavier, and he could achieve the correct swingweights with the shafts that he was using at the time... Driver - Ping G430 Max 9° | Ventus Blue TR Hybrid - ZX 16° & 18° | GD Tour IZ S 2 Iron - ZU65 17° | AeroTech SteelFiber 110icw S Irons - ZX7 MKII 4-Pw | TTDGTI S400, std length 1° flat Wedges - RTX 6 Tour Rack 50° 54° 58° | TTDGTI S400, std length 1° flat Putter - L.A.B. Golf Link.1 | LA Golf P135 shaft | Garsen Quad Tour grip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY VIP GolfSpy Dave Posted March 12, 2010 SPY VIP Share Posted March 12, 2010 My understanding was that Karsten used BeCu because it was heavier, and he could achieve the correct swingweights with the shafts that he was using at the time... Probably for looks too though. They are stunning. Volvo Intorqueo All the cool kids follow me on twitter: @GolfspyDave If you are not a cool kid, following me on twitter will make you cool... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamo Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 My understanding was that Karsten used BeCu because it was heavier, and he could achieve the correct swingweights with the shafts that he was using at the time... That's what I have heard too. The looks were just a plus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NGage Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 I had heard the story back when they quit making them that it was because the BeCu gave off some kind of toxicity when ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butz Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 I like how my old Cleveland Wedge 588 works But right now, I loved my New Carbon Steel wedges Golf is the Art of Recovery Shot, Butz ------ Driver: Diablo 9*/ HyperX 9.5*/ SuperQuad 9.5 Fw: CGB 3w/ NVG2 3w/ CGB max 5w Hybrid: Mactec UT3/ Raylor 22* Irons: X20 Tour 4 ~Pw Px5.5 FL / R7 XD 4i ~Pw Wedges: Callaway Jaws 52*/ Pride 52*/ Callaway X-Forge 58*/ Cg12 58* Putter: Rife 2bar Mallet / Yes Hanna ....center shaft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shambles Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 That's what I have heard too. The looks were just a plus. Much more than just a plus. The metal aged gracefully. You would develop a nice very slightly shinier area where you habitually contacted the ball and I think it stayed a different shade even long after you stopped using the club. The tumble finish stainless clubs stayed essentially markless even after heavy use. You needed to take a very close look or know what to look for to identify the clubs that had been heavily used. Shambles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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