cg3putt Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 The test of drivers for 75 to 90 mph swing speed does not mention shafts used per manufacturer. A senior shaft is usually recommended for the speed tested, Did I miss the shaft info? Quote Link to comment
cnosil Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 What test are you referring to? Can you provide more details. If you are referring to most wanted testing, shafts are best fits to the individual tester. MGS is limited to the shafts provided by the manufacturer. There are a variety of flexes provided and swing speed isn’t the only factor used. Prior to the test shafts and club adjustments are made to attempt to optimize launch conditions for each club for each tester tony@CIC and bens197 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
RickyBobby_PR Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 There’s so much more to shaft fitting than just swing speed. tony@CIC and cnosil 2 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment
10shot Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Keep this in mind when talking shafts. The stamped flex is at a specific tip length. You can always make it shorter or longer unless the MGR. states absolutely not (very few do). So you can make a Stiff shaft regular which could lead to a better feel for the golfer. You can make an "A" flex stiffer. It just takes having the correct person fitting you clubs. Heck grip size can change torque as a large grip diameter will place a great twist on the shaft. Its Gear principle. tony@CIC 1 Quote Link to comment
RickyBobby_PR Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 On 2/13/2019 at 3:09 PM, 10shot said: Keep this in mind when talking shafts. The stamped flex is at a specific tip length. You can always make it shorter or longer unless the MGR. states absolutely not (very few do). So you can make a Stiff shaft regular which could lead to a better feel for the golfer. You can make an "A" flex stiffer. It just takes having the correct person fitting you clubs. Heck grip size can change torque as a large grip diameter will place a great twist on the shaft. Its Gear principle. The stamped flex is based on what the manufacture considers the flex do be. There’s no industry standard for flexes. Your point is correct about being able to change the flex/feel by tip trimming the shaft. Butt trimming affects seingweight more than flex TR1PTIK, JonMUSC08 and tony@CIC 3 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment
10shot Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 On 4/15/2019 at 11:27 AM, RickyBobby_PR said: The stamped flex is based on what the manufacture considers the flex do be. There’s no industry standard for flexes. Your point is correct about being able to change the flex/feel by tip trimming the shaft. Butt trimming affects seingweight more than flex Who said anything about industry standard ??????? The word I used was Manufacture. Too many beers on the 9.5 tee box Quote Link to comment
cmckelvmi Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 Does Mark Crossfield know what he's talking about when he states the shaft doesn't matter and people put too much stock into shafts (paraphrasing)? I have never been properly fit for clubs and I am curious how much the different shaft options could effect my game. Quote Link to comment
cnosil Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 Does Mark Crossfield know what he's talking about when he states the shaft doesn't matter and people put too much stock into shafts (paraphrasing)? I have never been properly fit for clubs and I am curious how much the different shaft options could effect my game.Lots of different opinions on this. Crossfield did a test to show the shaft didn’t matter. Go to a fitting and change shafts and you can see performance differences. Most people play off the rack clubs and enjoy the game. Some people say they saved X number of stokes after being fit or gained some distance or decreased dispersion. I personally think that the shaft has an influence on how well a club works for a person. tony@CIC 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
JonMUSC08 Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 The likelihood that an off the rack club and shaft will be the best match for your swing is very low. Especially since most retailers only have like 1-2 choices of shafts on the clubs. A fitter will have ALL the shaft options for the club plus any premium shafts just in case the standard options do not work. Most likely the standard options will work these days. I went through about 6-7 different shafts during my fitting. In addition, the shaft that works for one brand driver may not work best on a different branded driver. tony@CIC 1 Quote Charleston, SC HDCP 13.0 Driver: M6 9* with 65g Stiff Mitsubishi Tensei Red shaft 3 wood: G425 stiff shaft 5 wood: Stealth 2 stiff shaft 4-gw irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal w/ X-stiff KBS 130gr shafts (soft stepped) Wedges: MG3 52, 56, 60 Putter: 34" Scotty Cameron 12.5 Ball: ProV-1x Tracked By: MGS Tester '20 - G710 Iron Review MGS Tester '19 - Precision Pro NX9 HD Pro laser rangefinder Link to comment
CarlH Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 I put a lot of stock in getting a shaft that fits you. I think it's much more important than the head, and like @JonMUSC08 says, the shaft needs to fit the head with your swing and not all combinations work well. I did a fitting with Club Champion and could see the differences between different shafts. Once we chose the right shaft, we started looking at which heads worked best with that shaft. tony@CIC and JonMUSC08 2 Quote Driver: Rogue ST Max (10.5* set at -1 and neutral) -- Mitsubishi Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Fairway: Rogue ST Max 3 wood (16.5*) and Heaven Wood (20*)-- Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Hybrids: Rogue ST Max 5H (23*)--Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Irons: Apex CF19 6-9, PW, AW -- KBS Tour Graphite TGI 70 shafts R +1/2 inch 3* upright Wedges: Edison 53* and 57* KBS PGI 80 Graphite +1/2 inch 2* upright Putter: L.A.B. DF 2.1 -- BGT Stability shaft Ball: Maxfli TourX...Golf Bag: Pioneer...Shoes: Hyperflex... Glove: Red Rooster Feather My Photography can be seen at Smugmug Link to comment
RickyBobby_PR Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 6 hours ago, cmckelvmi said: Does Mark Crossfield know what he's talking about when he states the shaft doesn't matter and people put too much stock into shafts (paraphrasing)? I have never been properly fit for clubs and I am curious how much the different shaft options could effect my game. That shaft is there to fine tune the fitting. Getting into the right head to achieve launch and spin then use the shaft to optimize the launch characteristics. Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment
cnosil Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 1 hour ago, RickyBobby_PR said: That shaft is there to fine tune the fitting. Getting into the right head to achieve launch and spin then use the shaft to optimize the launch characteristics. Most fitters I have used or seen do fittings start with the shaft and then fit the head. CarlH and tony@CIC 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
Curly6 Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 That shaft is there to fine tune the fitting. Getting into the right head to achieve launch and spin then use the shaft to optimize the launch characteristics. I agree with this sentiment as well. The shaft ends up being a timing mechanism to return the club face to the desired impact location. A good fitter will go through head choices first to help get the desired launch conditions. They'll look at what the different heads can do for launch, spin, and ball speed and then look to the shaft for the fine tuning. Several videos out there from TXG on YouTube that really explain this well. tony@CIC 1 Quote Driver: Rogue 9*, -1" length FW: Epic SZ 13.5*, 18* -.5" length Utility: 816 H2 21* Irons: Apex CF 16, std. lenght/lie Wedges: T7 Blue Ion, 52*, 56*, 60* Putter: #7S Ball: K-sig (until I run out) RH golfer from Detroit, MI with a 14 handicap, working towards single digits Link to comment
JonMUSC08 Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 20 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said: That shaft is there to fine tune the fitting. Getting into the right head to achieve launch and spin then use the shaft to optimize the launch characteristics. I'll 2nd this as well. From my understanding (im not a fitter ) is the driver head comes first and then the shaft fine tunes. Launch angle, attack angle, head weight ball speeds, position where you tend to impact etc all get accounted for and then dialing in the launch and spin factors with the correct shaft. tony@CIC 1 Quote Charleston, SC HDCP 13.0 Driver: M6 9* with 65g Stiff Mitsubishi Tensei Red shaft 3 wood: G425 stiff shaft 5 wood: Stealth 2 stiff shaft 4-gw irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal w/ X-stiff KBS 130gr shafts (soft stepped) Wedges: MG3 52, 56, 60 Putter: 34" Scotty Cameron 12.5 Ball: ProV-1x Tracked By: MGS Tester '20 - G710 Iron Review MGS Tester '19 - Precision Pro NX9 HD Pro laser rangefinder Link to comment
cnosil Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 I'll 2nd this as well. From my understanding (im not a fitter ) is the driver head comes first and then the shaft fine tunes. Launch angle, attack angle, head weight ball speeds, position where you tend to impact etc all get accounted for and then dialing in the launch and spin factors with the correct shaft.Then club champion does it backwards. They fit shaft and then head tony@CIC 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
null Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 1 minute ago, cnosil said: Then club champion does it backwards. They fit shaft and then head Not the club champion by me. If a fitter told me he was fitting for shaft first I'd walk right back out the door JonMUSC08 and tony@CIC 2 Quote Link to comment
Wedgie Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 True Spec had me hit a blade Srixon iron with a bunch of different shafts. Once we found the best shaft they put different heads with that shaft. I’m still not sure which way is right but that’s what True Spec does.Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy tony@CIC 1 Quote Wedgie Driver - XXIO X Driver 9.5 - Launcher Turbo 2 hybrid - F9 One Length 3-L - ER 1.2 Top Flite Gamer Play Right Link to comment
CarlH Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Chi Chi Rodriguez once commented that he'd play any head as long as he could pick which shaft he would use. Wedgie and tony@CIC 2 Quote Driver: Rogue ST Max (10.5* set at -1 and neutral) -- Mitsubishi Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Fairway: Rogue ST Max 3 wood (16.5*) and Heaven Wood (20*)-- Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Hybrids: Rogue ST Max 5H (23*)--Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Irons: Apex CF19 6-9, PW, AW -- KBS Tour Graphite TGI 70 shafts R +1/2 inch 3* upright Wedges: Edison 53* and 57* KBS PGI 80 Graphite +1/2 inch 2* upright Putter: L.A.B. DF 2.1 -- BGT Stability shaft Ball: Maxfli TourX...Golf Bag: Pioneer...Shoes: Hyperflex... Glove: Red Rooster Feather My Photography can be seen at Smugmug Link to comment
cnosil Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 2 hours ago, jlukes said: Not the club champion by me. If a fitter told me he was fitting for shaft first I'd walk right back out the door Went back and looked at my Club Champion fitting approach. We started with my driver and got some numbers. Then picked a similar head and found a shaft that worked better. Then we tried different heads to optimize. This was the approach for irons and driver. tony@CIC and Wedgie 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
RickyBobby_PR Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 Don’t think there’s a right or wrong way. Lots of ways to approach the game of golf. the ping fitter that used to work this area when I first got into golf and is now lpga tour rep for pxg, the titleist fitters I’ve gone too in this area and the ping tour van guys that fit me for my g400 all started with heads. We used shafts to tweak my feel or timing. null, tony@CIC, cnosil and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment
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