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2 hours ago, revkev said:

I had to stop reading.

Bottom line - Kuchar can’t win this argument - whether you think he’s right or wrong he comes across poorly. Worse yet he’s already lost because even if he were to pay more now he still looks bad.

Perception matters because that’s a touring pros greatest financial asset.


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I agree, kucher might have been better off not commenting on it

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Probably because he already blew through the original 3K 😬 Hey. I'm usually pro caddie in all things.  They have a pretty tough job and earn every penny.  I have a couple good friends on tou

I think there is a large difference between what most of us would do and what is fair. I, along with most of us here, would offer the caddie additional money, maybe not 10% but still some extra money.

Maybe I'm the outlier here, but they agreed upon $3,000 plus a percentage to be determined of winnings.   After the win Kuchar and his agent upped it to $15,000, more than 5 times the agreed upon amou

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I agree, kucher might have been better off not commenting on it

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We can all agree Steinberg is OFER on PR situations with his golf clientele though, right?  That press release by Kuchar was worse than the advice Steinberg gave Tiger a decade ago.  Kuchar's comments ring shallow, hollow and elitist.

"I certainly don't lose sleep over this." and "For a guy who makes $200 a day, a $5,000 week is a really big week."  

Those comments make Kuchar appear obtuse.  For a guy known for being "nice", this will follow him for the rest of his life.  The sad part for golf fans is how easily it all could have been avoided had Steinberg not s*** the bed like Steinberg tends to do in these situations.

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We can all agree Steinberg is OFER on PR situations with his golf clientele though, right?  That press release by Kuchar was worse than the advice Steinberg gave Tiger a decade ago.  Kuchar's comments ring shallow, hollow and elitist.
"I certainly don't lose sleep over this." and "For a guy who makes $200 a day, a $5,000 week is a really big week."  
Those comments make Kuchar appear obtuse.  For a guy known for being "nice", this will follow him for the rest of his life.  The sad part for golf fans is how easily it all could have been avoided had Steinberg not s*** the bed like Steinberg tends to do in these situations.


It was a ridiculous statement - as I wrote Kuchar can’t win now and certainly that statement made even my jaw drop.



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Knew he was a bum ever since he blew off my kid for an autograph.

(Only half joking here)


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If you say you’ll do a job for X amount, and you do it, then you should be paid X amount. If Kuch had missed the cut do you think he would have said I’m not paying you since I didn’t make any money?? The fact that he won is irrelevant, even if it was $10 million. A deal is a deal. At least that’s how it is where I come from.


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I think Kuchar could still win. All he has to say is "there's been a lot of talk about this and in hindsight maybe I was wrong. The guy did the job so he deserves his split of the winnings. I've sent it to him and I hope to make more sympathetic decisions in the future."
Would that be so hard?



It was a ridiculous statement - as I wrote Kuchar can’t win now and certainly that statement made even my jaw drop.



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Maybe I'm the outlier here, but they agreed upon $3,000 plus a percentage to be determined of winnings.   After the win Kuchar and his agent upped it to $15,000, more than 5 times the agreed upon amount.   The caddie refused it holding out for $50,000.   I don't see a problem on Kuchar's end.  The 10% is usually reserved for the full time caddie who goes through the ups and downs of a full season and often works weeks on end without his guy making a cut, and getting barely travel expenses.   
This was a one time gig for the guy and to be offered 5 times more than the original agreed upon amount, I don't honestly have a problem with that.   

You beat me to it dadgummit. If I buy a lottery ticket there’s an agreed upon price, so now people are essentially arguing that I’d owe the clerk a cut. It doesn’t work that way...



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He destroyed his reputation for $50K. He should fire his agent immediately. Regardless what was agreed upon, the way he handled the aftermath was low rent elitist bullshit. He probably wouldn’t have had to pay anything out of pocket. It’s a bad look, he is getting crushed by everyone, and those kuuuuuch cheers are going to turn into legit boos. Wouldn’t be surprised if he gets dropped by some sponsors. Not sure why these guys choose to respond to the social media bs, but common sense should prevail. All he needed to do was say, hey, we had an agreement but after thinking about it they guy deserves a little more.

I think the caddie is an ******* as well, but when you have made $50 + million on tour and much more in sponsorship $50K is nothing. Bottom line, his agent should’ve handled it and failed.


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If Kuch had thrown in a free pair of Sketchers, we wouldn't be having all this churn... just saying. 

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So I've kind of updated my thoughts on this.   

While I still think Kuchar didn't do anything wrong initially, he struck an agreement and the caddie gladly accepted it, and Kuchar paid a bonus at the end after the win, granted a bonus that many find horribly insufficient.   That may be, but let's not forget the caddie agreed and didn't say anything for MONTHS, so who are we to judge?

All that said, once this became public and Steinberg advised Kuchar of the backlash, he probably should have just said publicly. "You know we had an agreement for the week that covered everything but a win.  I gave a bit more than amount agreed upon for a top 20, and didn't think anymore of it.   But now in hindsight, I realize I probably should have taken a bit more time to evaluate the situation, and offered him more.  As a result, I've now sent a check for $50,000 to El Tucan  in addition to the previous $4,000.  Once again I had a great week with El Tucan, and I'm sorry that this has become a sour note to a great week for both of us"    Or something to that effect.  

While I hate the idea of giving in to extortion or the public firestorm, it's probably the best option out for Kuchar.   

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Also in a purely it didn't happen so it doesn't matter statement, if Kuchar had just finished two places lower, 3rd place, he would have "only" made $469,000 for the week and this never would have been a story.   It's only because he won, and the amount of 1 Million dollars makes for a sensational story. 

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...such a sad sad story.... I still remember when I first saw Kuchar as a rookie in the 98 Masters.  He was as happy as I have ever seen a golfer playing.  Hopefully this is just a blip on the radar for him; he seems like a nice guy...especially considering how he handled the British open in 2017...win with class/lose with class....but maybe it's not real?  Sure hope not.

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3 minutes ago, GolfSpy Stroker said:

...such a sad sad story.... I still remember when I first saw Kuchar as a rookie in the 98 Masters.  He was as happy as I have ever seen a golfer playing.  Hopefully this is just a blip on the radar for him; he seems like a nice guy...especially considering how he handled the British open in 2017...win with class/lose with class....but maybe it's not real?  Sure hope not.

Although he did get a bit of flack for his dads over exuberance during the round that year in the Master's but still it was hard to blame him.  

I spoke to someone last night who knows Kuchar very well and likes him A LOT and says he is a very good guy.   But he also says he handled it wrong, possibly from the beginning but most certainly once it became "a thing"   My thoughts above kind are very similar to his thoughts. 

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I can’t remember which article I read it but Kuchar offered something along the lines of $3000 if he makes the cut and an extra $1000 ($4000 total) if he makes the top 10.

Seeing as Kuchar hadn’t won in 4 years, El Tucan surely agreed to the arrangement, figuring Kuchar wasn’t gonna win so no need to worry about how much he should get of the $1.3M first place check.


And for those that don’t think El Tucan should get as much as a regular Tour caddie, do you think that his insight to the course at least helped Kuchar gain maybe one or two shots over the round? Well he won by one shot which meant a first place check of $1.3M compared to the $777,000 2nd place.

Over half a million dollars difference, and he threw El Tucan an extra $1000.

I worked in the casino industry for 10 years and got bigger tips than that.


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20 hours ago, revkev said:

Regardless of what’s true this is why I root my emotions and don’t care about what I think I know about people whom I don’t know.

Couldn't have summed up my opinion any better.  Time for this story to die on the vine.

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Interesting take by Porath.  I'm a big fan of the Shotgun Start podcast.  Don't think I have missed an episode.  To be honest, I can't disagree with him here either!

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I can’t remember which article I read it but Kuchar offered something along the lines of $3000 if he makes the cut and an extra $1000 ($4000 total) if he makes the top 10.

Seeing as Kuchar hadn’t won in 4 years, El Tucan surely agreed to the arrangement, figuring Kuchar wasn’t gonna win so no need to worry about how much he should get of the $1.3M first place check.


And for those that don’t think El Tucan should get as much as a regular Tour caddie, do you think that his insight to the course at least helped Kuchar gain maybe one or two shots over the round? Well he won by one shot which meant a first place check of $1.3M compared to the $777,000 2nd place.

Over half a million dollars difference, and he threw El Tucan an extra $1000. emoji848.png

I worked in the casino industry for 10 years and got bigger tips than that.


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Considering both parties speak little to nothing of the opposite languages from each other I would lean towards no.  Just because he has course knowledge doesn’t mean he is a good or helpful caddie. He got fired by another player the day before he started with kuch.

A tour caddie even if it was not kuch’s regular guy could save that 1-2 strokes as well. With having time to walk the course, get distances and knowing where kuch’s misses would go and such would imo be just as valuable. 

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23 hours ago, Mr_Theoo said:

I agree, kucher might have been better off not commenting on it

This reminds me of the time when Hootie Johnson went to the media when Martha Burke started making noise about Augusta National not having a woman member, and how she was going to protest the club, and make a lot of noise.

Think about it, if Hootie never said anything, including his now famous, "at the point of a bayonet" comment, do you think we would even know who Martha Burke is?

Frankly, I think Hootie broke the unspoken code of Augusta National that Clifford Roberts used to employ to run Augusta National.  When in doubt, ignore all criticism, and stay silent on everything outside the confines of this club.

A)  I think Kuchar is smart for not being on social media in the first place.  Nothing good comes out of Facebook/Twitter/Instagram

B)  I think what Tom Gillis did by posting this thing on twitter in the first place is disgraceful.  Not that I am anybody, but if I knew Tom Gillis, and know he did this sort of twitter thing with the sole intention of embarrassing a fellow peer I would not only blacklist Tom Gillis, but I would never speak to him again, and completely cut anyone off who associated with Tom Gillis.

C)  Michael Bamberger is a giant POS in general.  He's the same journalist that called a penalty on Michelle Wie the next day, with the sole intention of having her DQ'd from a golf tournament.  The penalty they ended up calling on her was a microscopic infraction of a bad drop that was centimeters closer to the hole that could only be determined by slow-mo video review.  But you are going to wait till after she's already signed her scorecard, and she has no recourse to correct this for the tournament, and as such it's a guaranteed DQ off of an infraction that was so unintentional to be bordering on absurd?  My point being that Kuchar has nothing to gain by speaking to Bamberger.  Bamberger wants nothing more than to sensationalize a story and to make mountains out of mohills.  And frankly, if I was a golf professional and Bamberger was in my path, I'd intentionally go out of my way to let everyone know what a POS he is, and to never speak to him about anything ever.

Bottom line, like they say in the movie theatre, "silence is golden," and the less you say, the better off you are.

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2 hours ago, sixcat said:

Interesting take by Porath.  I'm a big fan of the Shotgun Start podcast.  Don't think I have missed an episode.  To be honest, I can't disagree with him here either!

That's a hell of a generic judgment of others by someone who I have no idea who it is.  But if you agree with his statement, that's pretty obtuse and letting emotions cloud your own judgment.

And I can only speak for myself here, but this is neither anger or saying there is a right or wrong in this (well, other than what I just posted above).  I just think people taking shots at Kuchar for this based on gossip on the internet and whatever miscellaneous 3rd generation facts they are reading or hearing about is incredibly myopic and cruel.

And who the hell gives a crap who Brendan Porath is, let alone what his opinion is.  I could call him a judgmental holier than thou prick based on nothing more than this tweet, but that would be defeating the point of this post.

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