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So, this is always something that intrigues me and it's gapping. Admittedly, I was never the best at gapping at the bottom of the bag for the longest time. There was a period of time where I was 46*, 56* in high school at the bottom of the bag. Then I added a second wedge with my new iron set to go to 44*, 54*, 64*. I eventually got my head together to go to my old current set up which was 44* 50* 56* and 62* and with my One Lengths I'm currently at 45* 50* 55* 60*. 

So, I ask my fellow spies, any of you out there which weird gaps or with those with consistent gapping, what's your set-up to get there? Could you go bigger? Do you want to go smaller? How does it affect other choices in your bag? If you've got weird gaps at the top end I wanna hear about those too!

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Gapping in club lofts seems to be what you are asking about.

I am more concerned about distance gaps. I want to put the clubs in my bag that let me hit specific distances. If that results in big or small loft gaps then so be it.

I will admit that I just do the 4* gap at the bottom of the bag and really need to get out and work on my short game to figure out my individual distance swings for each wedge. I used to have a chart but never redid it when I got new clubs.

I am less concerned about top end of the bag. When I start getting over about 210 itbus mire if a hit it toward the hole and see what happens.

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The only truly "weird" gap in my bag is between PW & GW. My PW is 46* and my GW is 52*. I'd prefer to have a 4 or 5 degree gap between all clubs at the bottom end of my bag, but I find it's not a huge deal. For me, it is much easier to control distance at the bottom end of my bag than it is at the top end. It's not overly difficult for me to dial back the PW to fill in whatever I might be missing. I think when I do build a new set, I will probably wind up with a 50 & 54, but then still go back to the 60 or maybe even 62 or 64. I've started to get much better with my other wedges and view the LW as a specialty wedge (which is what it is). It's a club I really only pull out when I'm right next to the green and I don't attempt very many full shots with it.

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I have 3 irons that are at the manufacturer specs. Every other club has bent not for loft reason but to achieve even yardage gaps throughout. With every set I have had I have based my gaps off my PW yardage. This allows my gaping at the bottom of the bag to be perfect for my game. There have been times that I have had large gaps at the top of the bag due to this, however I have found that it doesn't affect my game as much as having large gaps in the bottom of the bag. 

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This is part of my project. I have been thinking about it more now.

Distance gapping is how I will be doing it. And I’m thinking about trying to make it as close to 15 yards between clubs as I can. Thought about 20, then just choking down in increments to get the tweeners.

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To be fair to Cnosil, I am talking about static loft gapping, probably should have made that more clear. I just know so many people revert to standard 52, 56, 60 gapping at the bottom without giving any thought to it so I'm always intrigued by people who go a touch different. I think of distance gapping at the top end of the bag more than the bottom because I play all these different shot speeds and lengths of swing through feel. It's weird to describe fully.

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45,52,58 are my wedges. I also only play a 13 club bag. I can do everything I need with these 3 wedges. I enjoy using artistry to hit different shots. I use my 52 and 58 for so many different shots, adding another club might hinder me, and it would definitely take away some of the artistry. 

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58 minutes ago, GB13 said:

45,52,58 are my wedges. I also only play a 13 club bag. I can do everything I need with these 3 wedges. I enjoy using artistry to hit different shots. I use my 52 and 58 for so many different shots, adding another club might hinder me, and it would definitely take away some of the artistry. 

I've often contemplated going back to a 3 wedge set, PW, SW, LW. I'm finding less and less use for my GW. The only problem I have currently, is I don't know what I'd replace it with. I've not experienced any glaring issues at the top end of my bag that would cause me to add something there. I have clubs I would swap for other clubs, but only because I'd look for something which was a little easier to hit - not because I would change anything about the distance I hit them.

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7 minutes ago, TR1PTIK said:

I've often contemplated going back to a 3 wedge set, PW, SW, LW. I'm finding less and less use for my GW. The only problem I have currently, is I don't know what I'd replace it with. I've not experienced any glaring issues at the top end of my bag that would cause me to add something there. I have clubs I would swap for other clubs, but only because I'd look for something which was a little easier to hit - not because I would change anything about the distance I hit them.

Yeah I understand that. I have no gap at the top end of my bag, so I just play 13 clubs. I like my 3 wedges but am considering adding a 62/64 degree wedge for emergencies. It wouldn't mess up my gapping at all, and I'd probably only use it 1 or 2 times a round. 

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I have played 48-53-58 for years but this last year I got new irons so now it is 45-49-53-58. When it was the old setup I used 3-pw with 18* hybrid between 3 iron and 3 wood. Now I have 4-pw and I'm adding G410 Crossover 2 to bridge the gap so we shall see.

The wedges were weird initially but I got used to it pretty quickly.


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My current setup is 45, 52, 56, 60. I feel like there is too much yardage gap between the 45 and 52, so I'll probably work to sort that out, but like most mid to high handicappers, my distances aren't always the same on every shot because of mishits. So, I really would like to find out my exact distances with each club, with good contact of course, and I'm hoping to use my range finder to help with that, but I need to wait for the grass to green up so I can see the ball land. Also, I've been playing in some tournaments lately and just purchase a yardage book for the course, so I plan to keep track of my shots that way, and hopefully that'll help too.

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I was 46, 50, 54, 58. Just switched to 46, 50, 55, 60. We will see how this goes this summer, but so far practicing with the 60 has been alot of fun.

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I’m with cnosil here. The numbers don’t matter, because the same numbers on different clubs will go different distances.

mine are stamped 45,50,54,58, but in reality, they’re closer to 45, 48, 52, and 57.   But they’re all about 12-15 yards apart

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On 2/27/2019 at 10:51 AM, TR1PTIK said:

I will probably wind up with a 50 & 54, but then still go back to the 60 or maybe even 62 or 64.

Well, for the Bridgestone review I wound up ordering 50, 54, & 58 due to bounce angles and available sole grinds. Admittedly, I should have ordered the 56 with A-sole grind then had it bent to 54. Didn’t think about it until it was too late, but considering I don’t typically use my SW for bunker shots it won’t really be a huge deal. Excited for these to come in and get to work on testing and reviewing for my fellow spies!

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I used to play the stock pw then 52-56-60 wedge set for years. Then last year I decided to try a little different since the 52 seemed to be coming up a little shorter than in previous years. I switched the package to 50-56-58 and that seemed to be a pretty good gappage for me. I will start this coming year the same way and see if it continues to be a success.

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The bottom of my bag is 46/50/56/62, but it's rare that I ever make a full swing with any wedge.  It really comes down to a lot of trial and error in finding what works for you.

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With the stronger lofts that manufacturers have gone to, ive had a similar issue in the bottom of the bag. For years I went from a 47*/48* PW to a 56* and 60*.  Now that I learned how to fit wedges, thanks to Titleist, I have a set up of 50*, 54*, and 58*. These are all after a 46* PW. It has allowed me to be more aggressive and make better swings when I’m inside 120 yards. 

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I would kill to do a full set at 11.5 yards a club from 225 down to 75. That's 12 clubs (plus driver and putter) to perfectly gap at 11.5 each... Now since that isn't humanly possible for me to be that accurate, I have a pretty good 15 yard gap right now from my 58° upward...

Mine looks something like this...

58° - 90 yds
54° - 105 yds
50° - 120 yds
45° - 135 yds
9i - 150 yds
8i - 165 yds
7i - 180 yds
6i - 195 yds
5i - 210 yds
4i - 225 yds

2 hybrid - 240 yds

I think this is as good as it gets for me and also why I grabbed the irons I did. They just fit far too well.


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My bottom end looks like this

46 - 150 yds

50 - 135 yds

54 - 116 yds

58 - 105 yds

Which probably means I should get that 54 tweaked a bit.  I think while the iron set lofts have creeped lower over the years, the "standard" wedges of 52, 56, 60 have left a big gap between the PW and GW.  

I think I'm rather mechanical, so I try to go by the Pelz clock method.  If I were to go by feel like @GB13, my hdcp would be on a steady increase for a long time.  If you are looking for art, I would recommend one of his paintings over mine.

I would also like to see a still photo of the top of all my iron swings overlaid and compared to @Waazzupppp.  The top end of our bags look really close in yardages, but I am a full club longer by the time we get to the 9i.  I don't think I have a giant backswing on the lower irons and wedges, but perhaps my perception is wrong.

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It also depends on the lofts of the irons. There are a ton of games being played in the loft and style department by manufacturers right now. I think that's why it is so vital to start with a 100 yard club and build. I don't care if it says 60 or 8i or whatever, finding that starting point is huge!

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