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Well after the issues Fowler's encountered with the new drop rules so far in 2019 (what happened at WMPO would have been the same under the old rules), he decided to poke a little fun at the new rule. I'll have to let someone else find a video or image to post as I am currently supposed to be working (oops). I'll try to explain as well as I can... Fowler - with rules official present - had to drop in the fairway and while making sure he used the proper technique "toyed" with the idea of squatting and dropping from his back side. It was a quick move and he ultimately dropped in an appropriate fashion, but I personally found it quite enjoyable to see that unfold.

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I saw one pro, I think it might have been Jason Day, get down on one knee and drop it from the raised knee. 

I also heard Bryson D. ask if he could drop from his knee while squatted down like a catcher.

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Things to note: Skratch is a product of the PGA Tour. They'll take the views, monetize it, and then fine Rickie for the drop:

 

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I highly expect, he'll receive some sort of fine or harsh words for that. I will also be surprised if he doesn't issue a statement saying that he shouldn't have done that, but I'm glad he did. It was well worth it for entertainment value.

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as far as I'm aware it must be from the height your knee would be in a standing position, squatting lowers that height.

so technically you can squat as long as the knee is at the same standing height.

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Seems like the drop would be perfectly acceptable if he just went down a little further...

From the USGA wesbite:

New Rule: Players continue to drop a ball when taking relief, but the dropping procedure is changed in several ways as detailed in Rule 14.3:

  • How a ball may be dropped is simplified; the only requirement is that the ball be let go from knee height so that it falls through the air and does not touch any part of the player’s body or equipment before it hits the ground.

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3 minutes ago, perseveringgolfer said:

as far as I'm aware it must be from the height your knee would be in a standing position, squatting lowers that height.

so technically you can squat as long as the knee is at the same standing height

There is an illustration in the rules that illustrates this very clearly, showing a player squatting.  You can squat, as long as you DROP from the height your knee is when standing.  You can kneel on both knees, as long as you drop from that height.  You can lay down, and reach upwards to the correct drop height.  And yes, you can drop between your legs, as Rickie demonstrated.  

Actually, I'm glad he's having some fun with it.  He did say it "looks silly", and I didn't really agree with him until I saw that video clip.  

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This is a great way for Rickie to use some humor to poke at the penalty he received last week.

If Rickie is fined for this, but Bryson is not for damaging the practice green last week, then the tour has their priorities messed up.

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2 hours ago, TR1PTIK said:

I highly expect, he'll receive some sort of fine or harsh words for that. I will also be surprised if he doesn't issue a statement saying that he shouldn't have done that, but I'm glad he did. It was well worth it for entertainment value.

 

6 minutes ago, palvord said:

This is a great way for Rickie to use some humor to poke at the penalty he received last week.

If Rickie is fined for this, but Bryson is not for damaging the practice green last week, then the tour has their priorities messed up.

Did I miss something as the clip @GolfSpy MPR posted shows a bit of fun then a legal drop.

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13 minutes ago, perseveringgolfer said:

 

Did I miss something as the clip @GolfSpy MPR posted shows a bit of fun then a legal drop.

Agreed. I think Rickie is having a bit of fun. And if that causes him to be fined, as was suggested as a possibility, I think the tour is out of line.

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I saw him messing around with drop and thought it was hilarious!  With all the statues and vanilla-ness out on tour,  Rickie made me laugh. This was a fun poke at the rules.  The rules will soon become 2nd nature.  Hard to change something you have done for the better part of your life.  I do wish it was knee and above or knee to waist.  

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I sincerely hope he doesn't get fined, but given how much attention has been paid to the USGA over the 2019 rules changes and the TOUR's relationship with the USGA it's not completely out of reach. We've seen people get hit for some weird and stupid things in the past. It all depends on how the TOUR views it.

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18 minutes ago, Shankster said:

So do we think this one will get reworked next rules change? I mean the shoulder height thing is just second nature now. That behind the back one really baffled me, this one is just funny how much attention it is getting.

I'm not sure they couldn't with as much negative press as they've received over it. Even the R&A has come out and admitted that the new rules aren't working out as well as they'd hoped.

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Just let them place it and get on with it - if pace of play is the concern.

If not everyone will adjust to it.


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False advertising with the headline...I really expected much worse.


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This is a pretty lousy reaction. Other sports change, or modify rules, all the time, and players adjust. In my playing time, this is the third way to drop. No big deal, I'll just drop the way the rules say to drop. I really can't believe these world class players are having such an issue with bending a bit. I guess this might take their ability to place a ball after a drop rolls away. Time to act like a big boy, Rickie!

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Just a question on the provocation side of the rule.....

 

New Rule: Players continue to drop a ball when taking relief, but the dropping procedure is changed in several ways as detailed in Rule 14.3:

  • How a ball may be dropped is simplified; the only requirement is that the ball be let go from knee height so that it falls through the air and does not touch any part of the player’s body or equipment before it hits the ground.

 

 

If i squat and drop it at bent knees height,  they can´t actually say i´m wrong !?!? I Know it´s pushing the common sense but i would like to see the arguments.

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It’s getting a bit old now with the dropping of the golf ball. There shouldn’t be any issues with it on the tour at this point. If there is, it’s their own fault. This is supposed to save time because you drop from a lower height into a bigger area, so the ball should not move as much as it would from a higher drop, therefore,  it should put the ball in play much quicker than before. 

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I hope they'll also rethink (did they even think?) the pin-in ; pin-out rule. It's already turned into mess IMO. Where it used to be understood the pin comes out unless tended is now a guessing - asking game and needless confusion. I haven't witnessed one player improve their putting by leaving the pin in. And pace of play is unchanged. The new pin rule is a forced nuisance. I'll contend yet again.... most putts are missed on one side or the other. Are they not? Others come up short. Except on rare occasions are putts not holed because they were dead online but too fast where a pin in could have potentially caused a holed putt. And that's also assuming the ball doesn't deflect. Pins are round. Not square in shape. It does happen but it's just extremely rare and lucky. We've all seen and had those in the past. Expl: putting from the collar with Pin in and the ball is on a rapid pace (hit too hard) and would have run by the hole a mile. But by a lucky chance (and poor stroke) it slams into the  pin perfectly square and drops! Yeah!! What luck! Same with chipping. It happens but it's rare at any level of play. We all read often how people struggle with putting. We'll it's not because they weren't allowed to leave a pin in. That would be a convenient excuse I suppose but there are many reasons - factors that do not include the pin whatsoever. Care to name a few? USGA, ditch the new pin rule.!!

Now so I don't totally jack the thread I don't necessarily have a problem with the new Dropping rule - other than it looks goofy but; why not just allow players to determine for themselves what's best for them and their situation. I'd suggest you may drop from anywhere between shoulder level to knee level. Your choice.

 

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4 hours ago, Kenny B said:

I believe that a "rule massage" for taking a drop is coming soon from the USGA and R&A.

In my opinion, I believe this rule will at least get a full year before being considered for change.   There were pretty clearly stated reasons for their choice, best explained here:

http://www.usga.org/content/dam/usga/images/rules/rules-modernization/golf-new-rules/Explanation for Each Major Change in the New Rules of Golf for 2019 (1).pdf

in item 17. Its no more complicated than the previous rule (drop from the height of THIS body part), and to be honest, I don't think it looks bad unless someone is trying to make it look bad.  And if I see an attractive young lady ending over a bit, I'm not going to complain.

The one rule which I think might be reconsidered is the flagstick rule.  Based on every comment from the USGA and R&A, it seems to me like they didn't do any research on the effects.  I'm not sure the effects on scoring will be significant, but there's at least a perception of advantage. I think it has the potential to save a few seconds, but without proper communication, also has the potential to lose a little time.  

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26 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

In my opinion, I believe this rule will at least get a full year before being considered for change.   There were pretty clearly stated reasons for their choice, best explained here:

http://www.usga.org/content/dam/usga/images/rules/rules-modernization/golf-new-rules/Explanation for Each Major Change in the New Rules of Golf for 2019 (1).pdf

in item 17. Its no more complicated than the previous rule (drop from the height of THIS body part), and to be honest, I don't think it looks bad unless someone is trying to make it look bad.  And if I see an attractive young lady ending over a bit, I'm not going to complain.

The one rule which I think might be reconsidered is the flagstick rule.  Based on every comment from the USGA and R&A, it seems to me like they didn't do any research on the effects.  I'm not sure the effects on scoring will be significant, but there's at least a perception of advantage. I think it has the potential to save a few seconds, but without proper communication, also has the potential to lose a little time.  

I believe the rule will be modified to allow from knee height to something higher, and it will be before the end of the year.

It will be interesting to see what Augusta National does with the flagstick rule.

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45 minutes ago, Kenny B said:

I believe the rule will be modified to allow from knee height to something higher, and it will be before the end of the year.

It will be interesting to see what Augusta National does with the flagstick rule.

If they choose to play by the Rules of Golf, there's nothing they can do.  They're not allowed to institute a penalty for something that the rules allow.

And if the drop rule is changed this year, I'll be wrong.  That's happened before, just ask my wife.

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1 hour ago, Kenny B said:

I believe the rule will be modified to allow from knee height to something higher, and it will be before the end of the year.

It will be interesting to see what Augusta National does with the flagstick rule.

I doubt they change the rule this year or next and iirc any major rules changes occur every 3 years. The rule probavky didn’t need to change and once they decided to do they probably should have gone with just place it vice dropping from the knee.

its a bigger deal than it needs to be because Bryson wanted to keep acting liked a spoiled pompous brat in Hawaii and Rickie had a brain fart a couple weeks ago

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18 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

I doubt they change the rule this year or next and iirc any major rules changes occur every 3 years. The rule probavky didn’t need to change and once they decided to do they probably should have gone with just place it vice dropping from the knee.

its a bigger deal than it needs to be because Bryson wanted to keep acting liked a spoiled pompous brat in Hawaii and Rickie had a brain fart a couple weeks ago

If their decision for the change ever had anything at all to do with pace of play, this is definitely the route they should have taken IMO. Hopefully they will at least make a modification to allow drops from anywhere between knee and shoulder height.

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