TR1PTIK Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Well after the issues Fowler's encountered with the new drop rules so far in 2019 (what happened at WMPO would have been the same under the old rules), he decided to poke a little fun at the new rule. I'll have to let someone else find a video or image to post as I am currently supposed to be working (oops). I'll try to explain as well as I can... Fowler - with rules official present - had to drop in the fairway and while making sure he used the proper technique "toyed" with the idea of squatting and dropping from his back side. It was a quick move and he ultimately dropped in an appropriate fashion, but I personally found it quite enjoyable to see that unfold. cksurfdude, mbrodeur86, palvord and 3 others 3 3 Quote Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Parsons Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 I saw one pro, I think it might have been Jason Day, get down on one knee and drop it from the raised knee. I also heard Bryson D. ask if he could drop from his knee while squatted down like a catcher. BTW, I'm at work too. tony@CIC, TR1PTIK and revkev 3 Quote In my BR-D4 6-way King F9 set to 9*, Tour length Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.0 S-flex, with GolfPride MCC +4 mid-size 3W - 13*, UST Mamiya 65 Gold S-flex, with GolfPride Tour Wrap 2G SIM UDI 2-iron - 18*, Mitsubishi Diamana Thump 100 X-flex, with GolfPride MCC Align ZX5 4-5 & ZX7 6-PW, Modus3 120 Tour S-flex, +1/2", with GolfPride Tour Wrap 2G - SM8 Tour Chrome, 50.08F - 54.10S - 58.12D, DG Wedge Flex, with GolfPride Tour Wrap 2G Custom Fit 35" ER6 Red at 68 degree lie angle and 4 degrees of loft MTB-X NX7 Pro Slope Tracked by #WPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy MPR Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Things to note: Skratch is a product of the PGA Tour. They'll take the views, monetize it, and then fine Rickie for the drop: M. Parsons, palvord and TR1PTIK 1 2 Quote TS3 9.5°, Tensei Blue CBX T3 15°, Project X HZRDUS Black Epic Super Hybrid 18°, Aerotech Steel Fiber FC HYB S C722 21°, Ventus Blue 8S CBX Iron-Wood 25°, Project X HZRDUS Black 6.0 639 CB, Aldila NV 95 Graphite, 6–PW CBX 48° T22 54° and 60° EAS 4.0, Garsen G-Pro grip TP5x and Tour Response Full WITB with pictures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR1PTIK Posted February 28, 2019 Author Share Posted February 28, 2019 I highly expect, he'll receive some sort of fine or harsh words for that. I will also be surprised if he doesn't issue a statement saying that he shouldn't have done that, but I'm glad he did. It was well worth it for entertainment value. fixyurdivot, cksurfdude, tony@CIC and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perseveringgolfer Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 as far as I'm aware it must be from the height your knee would be in a standing position, squatting lowers that height. so technically you can squat as long as the knee is at the same standing height. TR1PTIK, tony@CIC and M. Parsons 3 Quote Driver Awaiting NEW Driver (after 10 yrs) 4 Wood Callaway Big Bertha Steelhead plus 4+ Callaway shaft in 'Firm' flex Hybrid Titleist 910H 19* Diamana ahina 'flower' shaft in 'S' Irons Mizuno MP18SC 4-PW N.S Pro Modus3 Tour 105 in 'S' Wedges Callaway Mack Daddy forged in black 50* and 54* KBS Tour in 'R' Putter 'YES' Tracy 11 C groove 34.5" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR1PTIK Posted February 28, 2019 Author Share Posted February 28, 2019 Seems like the drop would be perfectly acceptable if he just went down a little further... From the USGA wesbite: New Rule: Players continue to drop a ball when taking relief, but the dropping procedure is changed in several ways as detailed in Rule 14.3: How a ball may be dropped is simplified; the only requirement is that the ball be let go from knee height so that it falls through the air and does not touch any part of the player’s body or equipment before it hits the ground. M. Parsons 1 Quote Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveP043 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, perseveringgolfer said: as far as I'm aware it must be from the height your knee would be in a standing position, squatting lowers that height. so technically you can squat as long as the knee is at the same standing height There is an illustration in the rules that illustrates this very clearly, showing a player squatting. You can squat, as long as you DROP from the height your knee is when standing. You can kneel on both knees, as long as you drop from that height. You can lay down, and reach upwards to the correct drop height. And yes, you can drop between your legs, as Rickie demonstrated. Actually, I'm glad he's having some fun with it. He did say it "looks silly", and I didn't really agree with him until I saw that video clip. M. Parsons, cksurfdude, tony@CIC and 1 other 4 Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palvord Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 This is a great way for Rickie to use some humor to poke at the penalty he received last week. If Rickie is fined for this, but Bryson is not for damaging the practice green last week, then the tour has their priorities messed up. TR1PTIK, Shankster and bardle 3 Quote In my Ultralight Stand Bag: Driver: Rogue 10.5° - LH - Project X EvenFlow 60 Stiff Woods: King F9 - LH - 3/4 Wood - Atmos Blue TS 7 Stiff King F9 - LH - 5/6 Wood - Atmos Blue TS 7 Stiff Irons: King F9 - LH - 5-GW - KBS C-Taper Lite Stiff Wedges: King Black - LH - 52° 56° 60° - KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 Stiff Putter: - Impact No. 3 Ball: Maxfli TourX Rangefinder: LX5 Watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perseveringgolfer Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 2 hours ago, TR1PTIK said: I highly expect, he'll receive some sort of fine or harsh words for that. I will also be surprised if he doesn't issue a statement saying that he shouldn't have done that, but I'm glad he did. It was well worth it for entertainment value. 6 minutes ago, palvord said: This is a great way for Rickie to use some humor to poke at the penalty he received last week. If Rickie is fined for this, but Bryson is not for damaging the practice green last week, then the tour has their priorities messed up. Did I miss something as the clip @GolfSpy MPR posted shows a bit of fun then a legal drop. TR1PTIK and Shankster 2 Quote Driver Awaiting NEW Driver (after 10 yrs) 4 Wood Callaway Big Bertha Steelhead plus 4+ Callaway shaft in 'Firm' flex Hybrid Titleist 910H 19* Diamana ahina 'flower' shaft in 'S' Irons Mizuno MP18SC 4-PW N.S Pro Modus3 Tour 105 in 'S' Wedges Callaway Mack Daddy forged in black 50* and 54* KBS Tour in 'R' Putter 'YES' Tracy 11 C groove 34.5" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palvord Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 13 minutes ago, perseveringgolfer said: Did I miss something as the clip @GolfSpy MPR posted shows a bit of fun then a legal drop. Agreed. I think Rickie is having a bit of fun. And if that causes him to be fined, as was suggested as a possibility, I think the tour is out of line. Shankster, cksurfdude and TR1PTIK 3 Quote In my Ultralight Stand Bag: Driver: Rogue 10.5° - LH - Project X EvenFlow 60 Stiff Woods: King F9 - LH - 3/4 Wood - Atmos Blue TS 7 Stiff King F9 - LH - 5/6 Wood - Atmos Blue TS 7 Stiff Irons: King F9 - LH - 5-GW - KBS C-Taper Lite Stiff Wedges: King Black - LH - 52° 56° 60° - KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 Stiff Putter: - Impact No. 3 Ball: Maxfli TourX Rangefinder: LX5 Watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Agreed. I think Rickie is having a bit of fun. And if that causes him to be fined, as was suggested as a possibility, I think the tour is out of line.If they fine him... good grief. TR1PTIK and palvord 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 I saw him messing around with drop and thought it was hilarious! With all the statues and vanilla-ness out on tour, Rickie made me laugh. This was a fun poke at the rules. The rules will soon become 2nd nature. Hard to change something you have done for the better part of your life. I do wish it was knee and above or knee to waist. TR1PTIK 1 Quote Epic Flash SZ 9o w/ Ventus 6X Rogue 4wd w/ ATMOS Red 7X CBX 20o w/ ATMOS Blue 7S tipped 1" JPX 900 Tour 4i - PW (standard lofts) Rifle SM6 51o, 59o, SM7 55o 2019 ProV1x Custom Ming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR1PTIK Posted March 1, 2019 Author Share Posted March 1, 2019 I sincerely hope he doesn't get fined, but given how much attention has been paid to the USGA over the 2019 rules changes and the TOUR's relationship with the USGA it's not completely out of reach. We've seen people get hit for some weird and stupid things in the past. It all depends on how the TOUR views it. https://www.thoughtco.com/weird-golf-penalties-4140287 Quote Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 So do we think this one will get reworked next rules change? I mean the shoulder height thing is just second nature now. That behind the back one really baffled me, this one is just funny how much attention it is getting. TR1PTIK 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR1PTIK Posted March 1, 2019 Author Share Posted March 1, 2019 18 minutes ago, Shankster said: So do we think this one will get reworked next rules change? I mean the shoulder height thing is just second nature now. That behind the back one really baffled me, this one is just funny how much attention it is getting. I'm not sure they couldn't with as much negative press as they've received over it. Even the R&A has come out and admitted that the new rules aren't working out as well as they'd hoped. Shankster and cksurfdude 2 Quote Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedgie Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 False advertising with the headline...I really expected much worse.Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy tony@CIC and tommc23 2 Quote Wedgie Driver - XXIO X Driver 9.5 - Launcher Turbo 2 hybrid - F9 One Length 3-L - ER 1.2 Top Flite Gamer Play Right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Just let them place it and get on with it - if pace of play is the concern. If not everyone will adjust to it. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Shankster 1 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony@CIC Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 False advertising with the headline...I really expected much worse.Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpyI thought the same thing when I saw the header Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy Wedgie 1 Quote Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosox04 Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 This is a pretty lousy reaction. Other sports change, or modify rules, all the time, and players adjust. In my playing time, this is the third way to drop. No big deal, I'll just drop the way the rules say to drop. I really can't believe these world class players are having such an issue with bending a bit. I guess this might take their ability to place a ball after a drop rolls away. Time to act like a big boy, Rickie! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nmrfgomes Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Just a question on the provocation side of the rule..... New Rule: Players continue to drop a ball when taking relief, but the dropping procedure is changed in several ways as detailed in Rule 14.3: How a ball may be dropped is simplified; the only requirement is that the ball be let go from knee height so that it falls through the air and does not touch any part of the player’s body or equipment before it hits the ground. If i squat and drop it at bent knees height, they can´t actually say i´m wrong !?!? I Know it´s pushing the common sense but i would like to see the arguments. TR1PTIK 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. 82 Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Man, and I thought I was tightly wound. cksurfdude 1 Quote G400 Driver XR 4 Fairway 16.5° Fli-Hi Utility Iron - 21° G Series 5-9 irons SM7 46°, 50°, 54° & 58° Ghost Spider S putter Nexus Laser Rangefinder Garmin Approach S20 GPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kor.A.Door Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 It’s getting a bit old now with the dropping of the golf ball. There shouldn’t be any issues with it on the tour at this point. If there is, it’s their own fault. This is supposed to save time because you drop from a lower height into a bigger area, so the ball should not move as much as it would from a higher drop, therefore, it should put the ball in play much quicker than before. cksurfdude and silver & black 2 Quote Lefties are always in their Right Mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 We never have issues with our "dropped balls" moving. cksurfdude and TR1PTIK 2 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 I believe that a "rule massage" for taking a drop is coming soon from the USGA and R&A. TR1PTIK 1 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaidJacket Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 I hope they'll also rethink (did they even think?) the pin-in ; pin-out rule. It's already turned into mess IMO. Where it used to be understood the pin comes out unless tended is now a guessing - asking game and needless confusion. I haven't witnessed one player improve their putting by leaving the pin in. And pace of play is unchanged. The new pin rule is a forced nuisance. I'll contend yet again.... most putts are missed on one side or the other. Are they not? Others come up short. Except on rare occasions are putts not holed because they were dead online but too fast where a pin in could have potentially caused a holed putt. And that's also assuming the ball doesn't deflect. Pins are round. Not square in shape. It does happen but it's just extremely rare and lucky. We've all seen and had those in the past. Expl: putting from the collar with Pin in and the ball is on a rapid pace (hit too hard) and would have run by the hole a mile. But by a lucky chance (and poor stroke) it slams into the pin perfectly square and drops! Yeah!! What luck! Same with chipping. It happens but it's rare at any level of play. We all read often how people struggle with putting. We'll it's not because they weren't allowed to leave a pin in. That would be a convenient excuse I suppose but there are many reasons - factors that do not include the pin whatsoever. Care to name a few? USGA, ditch the new pin rule.!! Now so I don't totally jack the thread I don't necessarily have a problem with the new Dropping rule - other than it looks goofy but; why not just allow players to determine for themselves what's best for them and their situation. I'd suggest you may drop from anywhere between shoulder level to knee level. Your choice. TR1PTIK 1 Quote My Sun Mountain bag currently includes: 771CSI 5i - PW and PFC Micro Tour-c 52°, 56°, 60 wedges EXS 10.5*, 929-HS FW4 16.5* Willimette w/GolfPride Contour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveP043 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 4 hours ago, Kenny B said: I believe that a "rule massage" for taking a drop is coming soon from the USGA and R&A. In my opinion, I believe this rule will at least get a full year before being considered for change. There were pretty clearly stated reasons for their choice, best explained here: http://www.usga.org/content/dam/usga/images/rules/rules-modernization/golf-new-rules/Explanation for Each Major Change in the New Rules of Golf for 2019 (1).pdf in item 17. Its no more complicated than the previous rule (drop from the height of THIS body part), and to be honest, I don't think it looks bad unless someone is trying to make it look bad. And if I see an attractive young lady ending over a bit, I'm not going to complain. The one rule which I think might be reconsidered is the flagstick rule. Based on every comment from the USGA and R&A, it seems to me like they didn't do any research on the effects. I'm not sure the effects on scoring will be significant, but there's at least a perception of advantage. I think it has the potential to save a few seconds, but without proper communication, also has the potential to lose a little time. TR1PTIK, silver & black, cksurfdude and 1 other 4 Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 26 minutes ago, DaveP043 said: In my opinion, I believe this rule will at least get a full year before being considered for change. There were pretty clearly stated reasons for their choice, best explained here: http://www.usga.org/content/dam/usga/images/rules/rules-modernization/golf-new-rules/Explanation for Each Major Change in the New Rules of Golf for 2019 (1).pdf in item 17. Its no more complicated than the previous rule (drop from the height of THIS body part), and to be honest, I don't think it looks bad unless someone is trying to make it look bad. And if I see an attractive young lady ending over a bit, I'm not going to complain. The one rule which I think might be reconsidered is the flagstick rule. Based on every comment from the USGA and R&A, it seems to me like they didn't do any research on the effects. I'm not sure the effects on scoring will be significant, but there's at least a perception of advantage. I think it has the potential to save a few seconds, but without proper communication, also has the potential to lose a little time. I believe the rule will be modified to allow from knee height to something higher, and it will be before the end of the year. It will be interesting to see what Augusta National does with the flagstick rule. TR1PTIK and cksurfdude 2 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveP043 Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 45 minutes ago, Kenny B said: I believe the rule will be modified to allow from knee height to something higher, and it will be before the end of the year. It will be interesting to see what Augusta National does with the flagstick rule. If they choose to play by the Rules of Golf, there's nothing they can do. They're not allowed to institute a penalty for something that the rules allow. And if the drop rule is changed this year, I'll be wrong. That's happened before, just ask my wife. TR1PTIK 1 Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Kenny B said: I believe the rule will be modified to allow from knee height to something higher, and it will be before the end of the year. It will be interesting to see what Augusta National does with the flagstick rule. I doubt they change the rule this year or next and iirc any major rules changes occur every 3 years. The rule probavky didn’t need to change and once they decided to do they probably should have gone with just place it vice dropping from the knee. its a bigger deal than it needs to be because Bryson wanted to keep acting liked a spoiled pompous brat in Hawaii and Rickie had a brain fart a couple weeks ago DaveP043 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR1PTIK Posted March 11, 2019 Author Share Posted March 11, 2019 18 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said: I doubt they change the rule this year or next and iirc any major rules changes occur every 3 years. The rule probavky didn’t need to change and once they decided to do they probably should have gone with just place it vice dropping from the knee. its a bigger deal than it needs to be because Bryson wanted to keep acting liked a spoiled pompous brat in Hawaii and Rickie had a brain fart a couple weeks ago If their decision for the change ever had anything at all to do with pace of play, this is definitely the route they should have taken IMO. Hopefully they will at least make a modification to allow drops from anywhere between knee and shoulder height. Kenny B 1 Quote Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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